Horn that wakes the sleepers

[Tansy]

Its late, I'm tired and I'm not sure if this has been posted before but after reading the night watch pledge that Ursa posted in the other thread I was wondering if Mance's horn that Jon now has is the one to wake the sleepers and who are they, are the children sleeping?

Hear my words, and bear witness to my vow.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins.
It shall not end until my death.
I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children.
I shall wear no crowns and win no glory.
I shall live and die at my post.
I am the sword in the darkness.
I am the watcher on the walls.
I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men.
I pledge my life and honour to the Night's watch, for this night and all the nights to come.

 

[The Judge]

I know nothing about GRRM, but is this thread likely to require a spoiler warning as well? Or is this just speculation about what might come up in later books?

 

[Tansy]

Just speculation atm as I can't remember any sleepers being mentioned in the book so far except in the night watch pledge, thought it does reveal that Mance has a horn that may be important

 

[The Imp]

I know nothing about GRRM, but is this thread likely to require a spoiler warning as well? Or is this just speculation about what might come up in later books?

The entire forum should have a spoiler alert

The oath shows up pretty early, and people could specualte about it as soon as they read it.

 

[Ursa major]

The entire forum should have a spoiler alert .

GRRM's books should have spoiler warnings: they contain all sorts of information whose sole purpose must be to undermine our theories about Westeros, its inhabitants and what they're all up to.

 

[Koopa]

Mance claims to have found the horn, and from it's description it matches the one that Euron greyjoy found, so maybe there is a connection there.

Euron said that one could control the dragons with this horn.
However that seems difficult for most normal men, since blowing the horn gets you killed. I believe that too mean that only certain people are able to control the dragons through the horn, people like the Targaryens, or others who seem to have a connection with the occult.

IMO the horn that mance found is either another one of those horns, or it's a horn that indicates that there might be a cold dragon sleeping, and that Mance's horn is used to control that dragon. Good thing Thormund didn't blow it, cause likely he would have died of it. No doubt either some Other, or some other thing we have never heard about could do it then. Or maybe Jon, whom if some theories are true is a mixture between the first men and the targaryens.

Mance could have been right, that by blowing that horn, the wall could come down, but i'm pretty certain it would have been in a different way then he envisioned it, the wall would not have collapsed entirely, more like something would manage to break through the wall, is what i'm thinking.

And then there's the broken little horn that Jon found, now it may just be a red horring, or it may just be the significant later on. the dragonglass found with it at least proved to be.

 

[Tansy]

Well there must be some strong magic use in the creation of the wall, maybe it keeps frozen as its a living thing that is sleeping lol, could the wall be a giant frozen dragon

 

[The Imp]

I think the "horn that wakes the sleepers| is nothing more than a bugle type device that would wake men, or call them to battle.

I think the Horn of Winter is something different, and furthermore, I don't think it's the horn that Mance had. That would be too damn easy. I've always felt that the innocuous old horn that Ghost uncovered, (along with the old black cloak and various obsidian (dragonglass) arrowheads, knives, etc. ) had special meaning. It would be soooooooo GRRMish to have that huge ornate horn tobe fake and the small plain one to be meaningful

 

[Young stormlord]

I think the "horn that wakes the sleepers| is nothing more than a bugle type device that would wake men, or call them to battle.

I think the Horn of Winter is something different, and furthermore, I don't think it's the horn that Mance had. That would be too damn easy. I've always felt that the innocuous old horn that Ghost uncovered, (along with the old black cloak and various obsidian (dragonglass) arrowheads, knives, etc. ) had special meaning. It would be soooooooo GRRMish to have that huge ornate horn tobe fake and the small plain one to be meaningful

I agree. Horn that wakes the sleepers is the thing metaphorycally used by Jon when Tenman (spelling?) got over the well and tried to invade Castle Black while everyone was sleeping. It's also horn rangers used in Chett's chapter (prologue of ASOS) to sign that Others are coming (Sam was the sleeper at a time).

I think that metaphorical meaning in oath is that Night Watch are rangers for the kingdom, scouting for danger on the edge of perimeter and awakening men at arms so they wouldn't be taken unaware by Others as it happened 8.000 years ago. Since that's how old are both the Oath and Wall it makes some sense... (Just messing around with your heads with this last sentence ). My three pennies, anyway.

 

[Tansy]

I'd forgotten they found another horn, I need to re-read faster

 

[Rhaegar]

From Jon's preview Chapter in ADWD, when he is walking with Melisandra on the Wall/castle Black

"The Wall is no place for a woman."
"You are wrong. I have dreamed of your Wall, Jon Snow. Great was the lore that raised it, and great the spells locked beneath its ice. We walk beneath one of the hinges of the world." Melisandre gazed up at it tenderly, her breath a warm moist cloud in the air.