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... not for me personally, but in the Critiques section -- but I thought I'd put the appeal here so as to catch everyone's eye, because we need you -- yes, YOU!

We all know (or we all should know...) about the relatively new Rules and Guidelines in Critiques -- and for those who have forgotten here's the link to them http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/527567-please-read-before-posting-rules-and-guidelines-for.html. The rules were primarily drawn up to deal with the problem of hit-and-run posters -- people who just wanted a critique (or more likely wanted unstinting praise for their masterpiece!) and who left immediately without making any effort to join in with the rest of us. Behind the rules though, there was a new emphasis on something which already existed but which perhaps had been forgotten. SFF Chronicles is a community and it can only survive if there is reciprocity between members.

As I've said before, I think the Writing Challenge has been a huge success in bringing us more together, and long may it continue. I also think that it has spilled over into other areas and together with the new rules we are seeing more people giving more and better critiques. However, we can't get complacent. So here is another kind of Challenge. If you rarely or never critique -- why not have a go?

Teresa has written an excellent piece to help newbies daunted by the idea of critiquing -- http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/527581-some-tips-for-those-who-are-new-or.html

We need critiquers of all levels of experience and insight, from the most nit-pickiest on grammar and punctuation (pedants! we need more pedants!) to the most generalised "I like this because..." -- we also need established members to provide a good example to those who are coming new to the forums.

For those who are also writers, never forget that sitting and analysing someone else's prose is of real benefit when it comes to looking back at your own work. It's easier to see mistakes someone else has made -- and then it hits you, that you do exactly the same!

For those who are not writers, if you're here you're still a reader -- and it's helpful to know how our work reads to someone who isn't hung up on technical issues.

Above all, this is a site which depends on each of us doing our share. I hope and trust that one of the things which arises between us here is friendship -- and friends help each other.

So get out those red pens, sharpen those talons -- the poor victims... er... posters who put work up for evisceration... er... thoughtful and helpful comments... are waiting!
 
Well said, Judge. But appeals to friendship only get you so far. You need to stir up some guilt too.

KITTENS ARE DYING BECAUSE OF LACK OF CRITIQUES, PEOPLE!
 
I want more critiquers, ctg, not fewer!

Guilt's good, HareBrain. I'm happy for blackmail to be used as well (but let's be more successful than the ex-Chancellor and the ex-PM...)
 
Ah, yes; I've not been pulling my (not inconsiderable) weight recently, have I?

You could blame it on work, or critters, or Leisha.

Or do better than me.

Or I'll just try and do better.
 
You have been pulling your weight, Chris, nobody could think otherwise, and we all know that real life stands up and slaps us in the face sometimes, which is why we need a bigger floating pool of critiquers for when regulars can't step up to the plate. (This is my entry for the "how many disparate metaphors in one sentence?" Challenge)
 
Trying to hypnotize us into something else, Judge? :D
I don't feel like I can give critiques to anyone's work yet, and saying "yeah, that was.. great" seems kind of dull compared to all your long nit-picking posts. So I just lurk and read :D
 
You see, Kayleigh, saying "Yeah, this was awesome" is indeed a bit too low.


But saying why you thought it was awesome, well, that's another matter. Surely you have opinions about things and surely you can recognize what you like and dislike in stories?



I hardly ever give critiques myself because the way my brain and eyes work I can't really hold up to reading too much against this background and with the default font.
 
Darn it. Missed a trick. Didn't give hypnotism a thought!

Close your eyes, Kayleigh... you are feeling very sleepy...

Seriously, if you can read, you can offer an opinion. You may think your contribution may be dull, but what about the poor person who has been on the receiving end of a nit pick wherein his punctuation, word choice and grammar faux pas have been exposed to the world? Think what his reaction is likely to be when the saintly Kayleigh arrives and says "This is terrific!" (always, provided, of course that you think it is terrific -- false praise helps no one improve.)

No one's expecting a masterclass in critiquing from you or from anyone else. What people do need is feedback. No more lurking at the side of the pool. Jump in and get those toes wet!
 
No more lurking at the side of the pool. Jump in and get those toes wet!

It must be a very shallow pool.

Kayleigh, "That was great" may seem rather dull, but the point of a critique is not to show how clever the critiquers are ... it's to help the writer improve. Which includes reminding him or her of the parts that do hit home for readers, so that that those parts don't disappear in the rewrite.

So while a general "this story is awesome" is not much use, to praise a few specific things simply because they worked for you can be very helpful. (Assuming the praise is honest.) "The last line left me eager to read more." "I like your character." "That was a good description; I could really picture it all in my mind." None of this is technical, but it's all useful. Saying what you don't like is helpful too, or what you don't understand. You may feel a little foolish saying so, but making you understand is the writer's job. They need to know if they aren't succeeding.

Sure, some people are better qualified that others to give the in depth critiques, but if we each give what we can, it all adds up.

People say they feel self-conscious giving critiques ... well, we all do. But no one but the writer of the piece is likely to remember what our opinions were. Our words will not live on in infamy. But what they will do is help the writer, whether he or she agrees with them or not, to think about his or her intentions for the piece, and so achieve a greater degree of clarity. Weigh that favor we can do for the writer against the possibility that another critiquer might read what we say, disagree ... and in all probability forget about it ten seconds later.
 
Well, I tried a few. Hope that saved some kittens!

Usually, after ctg goes through someone's work with his(her?) comments, it feels like nothing else could be added :D
 
And well done, indeed, Kayleigh. I have no doubt the kittens are very grateful -- as are the recipients of your posts.
 
... the poor victims... er... posters who put work up for evisceration... er... thoughtful and helpful comments... are waiting!
Famous last words...

When I said we need critiquers, guys, I didn't mean to suggest we didn't need stuff to critique also!!

Where are all you aspiring writers, just champing at the bit for a chance to have your work subjected to a line by line nit-pick by Pedants United? Let me re-phrase that...

Where are all you aspiring writers eager for the wonderful critiques which this site is uniquely able to offer? Stop using the 75 word short story challenge as an excuse. Get your act together and start posting.



NB: If you're a relative newbie and not sure if you have yet achieved that coveted and venerable state known as "measured contribution" allowing you to post in Critiques, PM me or one of the other mods and we'll be able to tell you. If you haven't enough post count to send a PM, then the answer's a definite "not yet" ( :p :D ) -- but don't despair. Join in. Make yourself at home. Mooch around the forum a little more and generally get involved and before you know it you'll be knocking at the door of Critiques and it will magically open to you...
 
I have something I need help with actually, but... oh what the hell, I have the file open. I'll let you guys have at it!
 
The Mouse That Roared is putting some of us lily-livered aspiring authors to shame.
 

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