Wise Man's Fear (Contains Spoilers)

Perhaps the seven things standing before the lackless door is each a piece of prophecy pertaining to the person who will open the door. They could be tied to Kvothe as tasks or things that herald his coming.
The ring unworn could be the namers wind ring or it could refer tot he ring that lady lackless gave to kvothe, the one bredan tells him isn't worn.
 
I agree, but why "the son that brings the blood"?

If being the son of a Lackless was the only stipulation, any male in the family could theoretically open (walk through?) the door.

I think it's the Lackless blood that Kvothe brings. The "son who brings the blood" is only condition among many... Any Lackless son who has the word forsworn, the ring unworn, and everything else could open the door. That's just a fairly restrictive selection set.

The ring unworn could be the namers wind ring or it could refer tot he ring that lady lackless gave to kvothe, the one bredan tells him isn't worn.

It was the Maer's chamberlain who gave Kvothe the ring wasn't it? Not Lady Lackless. But, none the less, that's a good catch. That bone ring must be important for some reason. And the fact that it's supposed to go unworn is suggestive.
 
Corn- take a look at the long post I started this thread with... There's some weird resonances between this version of the Lackless song and the one Kvothe gets in trouble for singing early in the first book, the one his mother scolds him for. I don't know what it means exactly but I think it suggests that some of the information there will prove important.*
 
The ring unworn could refer to the ring that lady lackless gave to kvothe, the one bredan tells him isn't worn.

Good idea, I had forgotten about that ring. He did put it into his shaed after deciding to not toss it off the cliff in Vinta, and also referred to it as a "memento." Doesn't it also have "Lady" Lackless's name inscribed on it? This probably lends itself to the theory.

Also, "then comes that which comes with sleeping"

and

"there's a dream that she's been keeping
she's been dreaming and not sleeping"


seem to relate.

"She's been dreaming and not sleeping" almost sounds like the door lets you enter a new mind state, maybe something resembling Kvothe's "blowing leaf" (or whatever it's called - I'm away from my books at the moment).
 
^ Good point!

Especially if he is familiar with the Amyr/Chandrain. That may be why he wanted to have Kvothe try and open the Lackless box as well.
 
In NoTW, Old Cob tells a story of Taborlin the Great and mentions his three "tools" as being a key, a coin, and a candle.

I'm certain that Auri has given Kvothe a key, which she says is for a "door in the moon," and a coin, the likes of which Kvothe has never seen before.

I also am fairly certain that while in the Underthing, Kvothe mentions that Auri is holding something that emits a greenish light, but was afraid to press and ask her too much. Maybe this is Taborlin's candle?

I'm not sure what the purpose of these items would be, but I'm fairly certain that the objects match.
 
In NoTW, Old Cob tells a story of Taborlin the Great and mentions his three "tools" as being a key, a coin, and a candle.

I'm certain that Auri has given Kvothe a key, which she says is for a "door in the moon," and a coin, the likes of which Kvothe has never seen before.

I also am fairly certain that while in the Underthing, Kvothe mentions that Auri is holding something that emits a greenish light, but was afraid to press and ask her too much. Maybe this is Taborlin's candle?

I'm not sure what the purpose of these items would be, but I'm fairly certain that the objects match.
Wow I never noticed that. It is eerily strange how close Auri's gifts follow the story. We also know that she knows stuff about the chandrian, but that she is unwilling to tell Kvothe that info right now. All of these seem to tie into something important. What does auri's name mean? I can't quite remember, but I wonder if that ties into anything that has been happening in the story. I feel like she is going to play a major role since Rothfuss doesn't strike me as one who would add a character like auri just to show the compassionate side of Kvothe (especially given the amount of time he takes to edit his books).
 
Also, unless he is purposefully deceiving us, Meluan Lackless is most definitely Kvothe's aunt, and her sister who ran off with the Edma Ruh is definitely his mother.

Later in TWMF, we learn that Meluan's sister's name was Netalia. This fits with the poem Arliden (Kvothe's father) wrote for his wife.

"Dark Laurian, Arliden's wife,
Has a face like a blade of a knife
Has a voice like a prickledown burr
But can tally a sum like a moneylender.
My sweet Tally cannot cook.
But she keeps a tidy ledger-book
For all her faults I do confess
It's worth my life
To make my wife
Not tally a lot less..."


"Tally" is short for Netalia. Being "royalty," it makes sense that she cannot cook, but instead is proficient at counting money.

And look at the last line...sounds a lot like "Netalia Lockless..."
 
In NoTW, Old Cob tells a story of Taborlin the Great and mentions his three "tools" as being a key, a coin, and a candle.

I'm certain that Auri has given Kvothe a key, which she says is for a "door in the moon," and a coin, the likes of which Kvothe has never seen before.

I also am fairly certain that while in the Underthing, Kvothe mentions that Auri is holding something that emits a greenish light, but was afraid to press and ask her too much. Maybe this is Taborlin's candle?

I'm not sure what the purpose of these items would be, but I'm fairly certain that the objects match.

Wow I missed all of that. Great observation.
 
Just finished WMF and must say that I enjoyed it as much as the first one.

I've forced myself to stay away from this thread as I wanted to read it first.

It's great to see everyone's observations and theories appearing, most fascinating and enthralling. Like a lot of you I wondered whether Bredon was Denna's patron. I had not considered him being of the Chandrian, still not sure, but I did wonder during the attack on the bandits about the leader. Could the two be the same, or two different people.

Do we know how old Kvothe/Kote is at the framing sequences? I initially got the impression that he was nearing middle age, but might have got the image in my head at the start of the first book and not been able to change it. It makes me wonder is the series actually going to be three books? Is this a certainty, or are the three books going to take us to the end of Kvothe's university years? We know he was expelled from the University at a younger age than most are admitted, so with him still there at the end of book 2 it seems a long step to go from the student to the full fledged hero to the older Kote tending bar.

Although I hope that Ambrose turns out to be the red herring and does not turn out to be the king, I'm not so sure. Early in the book Wil and Sim talk about how one of those in line to the throne has been killed which mean Ambrose jumps a place and that he is boasting about it. Then later when Kvothe returns to the Maer there is a throw away line that another ion line has been killed in a duel, which would bump Ambrose further up the list. (And one would assume that his father would be one ahead of Ambrose in the list, so technically once his father reaches the throne, Ambrose would be secured as the next king.)

I'm not so sure about Kvothe's loss of power, when he is doing things like lighting the fire I keep thinking he is going to do it through his abilities, but maybe that's either me, or Rothfuss brilliantly insinuating that Kvothe is about to do then can't or won't.

When it comes to his fighting skills, I'm pretty sure they're all still intact and he let the soldiers beat him. Right at the end of the book, Kvothe begins the ketan and it says:

"There, behind the tightly shuttered windows, he lifted his hands like a dancer, shifted his weight, and slowly took one single perfect step."

If he can still manage that I would imagine he can still fight.

I'm slightly intrigued that Bast was behind the soldiers though - is he trying to trigger something in Kvothe, or is there something darker going on? Just a wild theory (and I mean wild) could Bast be one of the Chandrian or at least working for them? If Kvothe has changed his true name, perhaps it means that the Chandrian are powerless against him, and in order to remove him they need Kvothe as was. Bast's purpose would then be to reawaken the great hero figure that Kvothe is suppressing, and in reclaiming that he is left open to the Chandrian once more. It would then throw into doubt anything Bast has told him...

One finally the Lackless rhymes all mention Seven, in addition to all that has been said are there not seven Chandrian. Could there be a link?

Sorry if its a bit disjointed, a night with little sleep does little for the thought process.
 
PM...a lot of what you said was what I was going to.

I got it the other day...finished it a few days after.

Really really enjoyed it...especially the random grammar jokes PR kept putting in there...
Didn't quite enjoy the track through the forest to bandit hunt so much.

Couple of theories...

I think Meluan is definitely Kvothe's aunt...
I think Denna's patron is either Cinder or Bredon...or they're the same, or somehow very closely related.
Kvothe was definitely doing the Ketan at the end.

I'm not sure yet what I think about Bast's actions at the end...whether he was trying to awaken Kvothe, or whether he's working for the Chandrian.

The Cthaeth has an awesome name.
 
On the subject of Bast being behind the soldiers and his motives and so forth, remember he continually tells Chronicler that he doesn't know him and that no one understands the fae. They have a dark side that humans don't understand and rarely see. Take the misconceptions about iron for example we know that it doesn't bother Bast anywhere near as much as people would expect it to.
 
So I also starting rereading NotW again, looking for foreshadowing. And I found this conversation:

Early on in NotW, when Bast and Kvothe are talking:

"Begone demon!" Kote said, switching to a thickly accented Temic through half a mouthful of stew. "Tehaus antausa eha!"
Bast burst into startled laughter and made an obscene gesture with one hand.
Kote swallowed and changed languages. "Aroi te denna-leyan"

Specifically...Denna.

Could it mean demon, or something similar?

Alternatively, her name is awfully similar to denner. Sweet & addictive.
 
PM: he's definitely much younger - says in TNOTW: ... the familiar motion eased a few lines from his face, making him seem younger, certainly mot yet thirty. Not even near thirty. Young for an innkeeper. Young for a man with so many tired lines remaining on his face.

When we first meet Bast he is describes as a young man. And then it says, a little later: Kote grinned, and for a moment his face showed how truly young he was. Behind the weary lines and the placid innkeeper's expression he looked no older than his dark-haired companion. (Bast)
 
Thanks for those descriptions Boneman.

In other places, I've heard a lot of criticism about how slowly the books are moving, and how there's no possible way that we can get caught up to Kvothe's "narrating age" without a lot of skipping ahead.

I don't really care either way, as Rothfuss will write it however he likes, but I'm thinking there may not be a whole lot of time between where the story left off and Kvothe's "innkeeper age."

Isn't he ~17/18 at the end of TWMF? If he's "certainly/not even near thirty" and appears as old as Bast (who frolics with farmers' daughters), maybe Kvothe is only around twenty. We've seen that his reputation/legend has already grown and spread tremendously.
 
Thanks Boneman that settles it for me, nut as CCC! says, there is a big difference between where WMF ends and where he is at the Inn. It's been approximately 2 years through the course of the books (Not taking into account his really early years - so how many years will the last book cover?) Basically I don't really want the story to stop....

His age at the end of the 2nd book is odd as chronologically he says he is 17 - but it does not take into account the amount of time that Kvothe spent frolicking with Felurian
 
Also, when pondering Kvothe's age, remember he is Edma Ruh, and that there are no finer performers in his world.

I'm sure he can act and appear a lot older than he actually is.
 
My mind isn't working properly today, and I think I read the book too fast.

Does anyone remember how we found out that Cinder was the leader of the bandits?
 
Sorry about all the double posting, but I just had another idea.

Kvothe's name, Maedre. "Flame," "thunder," and "broken tree."

At first, "broken tree" reminded me of the one that Kvothe destroyed with lightning in the middle of the bandit camp, but...that can't be all.

Kvothe is going to destroy the Cthaeh. Or attempt to.

Maybe that's why "Folly" is broken.
 

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