The Imp
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Yes, it's long overdue, but a true crackpot theory must come from sudden inspiration, it can't be rushed or predicted.
I think there's a chance that Jojen Reed is actually Howland Reed.
Imp, you say, that's insane even by YOUR flimsy standards. Hear me out friends.
It's tough to prove a negative, in this case Jojen not being who he claims to be, so this won't be easy. My first piece of proof is, what proof do we have that Jojen and Meera are who they say they are? This exchange happens soon after they arrive and are introduced.
Maester Luwin crouched beside Bran's seat to whisper counsel in
his ear. "You must greet these ones warmly. I had not thought to
see them here, but . . . you know who they are?"
Bran nodded. "Crannogmen. From the Neck."
"Howland Reed was a great friend to your father," Ser Rodrik told
him. "These two are his, it would seem."
Why the innocuous but somewhat cryptic "it would seem" . Luwin realizes that they may not be who they say they are, but also knows they are Crannogmen, so he isn't worried. By the way, Lwin MAY be the gaping hole in this theory, as he SHOULD be able to recognize Howland for who he is. Or SHOULD he??? This passage explains this, i hope.
His father had sent letters to the Lord of Greywater over the years, but none of the crannogmen had ever called at Winterfell.
I must admit part of the "inspiration" for this latest bit of lunacy is the idea the The Crannogmen are the descendants of The Children of the FOrest, and have powers that are unknown to most of Westeros. GRRM makes a point of using the two Walders to dismiss them as being inconsequential cowards that eat frogs.
Jojen/Howland does indeed have at least one special power, that of Greensight. More interesting is his ability to help Bran with his warming/skin changing ability. How is it that so young a boy would know of such things? Is it something his people routinely can do? Did, in fact, Howland use this ability at the Tower of Joy to help turn the tide of the battle? How did it come to pass that stronger and larger men, possibly better trained for battle, died, but he survived. Did Howland take control of one of the 3?
Back to Jojen. The last bit of "proof' is Old Nan calling Jojen "little grandfather", ostensibly because he was so solemn, but could there be more to that/ Could he and Meera both be much older than they appeared to be?
That's about it. It's definitely flimsy, but I'm hoping that there are things I've missed that others may be able to add once the seed of this idea has been planted. If not, I make a great target for abuse and ridicule
I think there's a chance that Jojen Reed is actually Howland Reed.
Imp, you say, that's insane even by YOUR flimsy standards. Hear me out friends.
It's tough to prove a negative, in this case Jojen not being who he claims to be, so this won't be easy. My first piece of proof is, what proof do we have that Jojen and Meera are who they say they are? This exchange happens soon after they arrive and are introduced.
Maester Luwin crouched beside Bran's seat to whisper counsel in
his ear. "You must greet these ones warmly. I had not thought to
see them here, but . . . you know who they are?"
Bran nodded. "Crannogmen. From the Neck."
"Howland Reed was a great friend to your father," Ser Rodrik told
him. "These two are his, it would seem."
Why the innocuous but somewhat cryptic "it would seem" . Luwin realizes that they may not be who they say they are, but also knows they are Crannogmen, so he isn't worried. By the way, Lwin MAY be the gaping hole in this theory, as he SHOULD be able to recognize Howland for who he is. Or SHOULD he??? This passage explains this, i hope.
His father had sent letters to the Lord of Greywater over the years, but none of the crannogmen had ever called at Winterfell.
I must admit part of the "inspiration" for this latest bit of lunacy is the idea the The Crannogmen are the descendants of The Children of the FOrest, and have powers that are unknown to most of Westeros. GRRM makes a point of using the two Walders to dismiss them as being inconsequential cowards that eat frogs.
Jojen/Howland does indeed have at least one special power, that of Greensight. More interesting is his ability to help Bran with his warming/skin changing ability. How is it that so young a boy would know of such things? Is it something his people routinely can do? Did, in fact, Howland use this ability at the Tower of Joy to help turn the tide of the battle? How did it come to pass that stronger and larger men, possibly better trained for battle, died, but he survived. Did Howland take control of one of the 3?
Back to Jojen. The last bit of "proof' is Old Nan calling Jojen "little grandfather", ostensibly because he was so solemn, but could there be more to that/ Could he and Meera both be much older than they appeared to be?
That's about it. It's definitely flimsy, but I'm hoping that there are things I've missed that others may be able to add once the seed of this idea has been planted. If not, I make a great target for abuse and ridicule
