TWOW Release prediction

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Gry Wnd

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I just finished ADWD so I'm especially pessimistic right now.

4-5 years from now he'll announce he's adding a book and some of the chapters or characters are being pushed to that book so when he gets it all sorted out we'll have the finished product in a year or so. What, too soon?


Seriously all those reviews saying they see an end in sight, I didn't get that, more questions than answers in ADWD.
 
dude, since game of thones is a tv show now, he can't afford to take ten years to write the last two books. although a sword of storms will probably be split up into 2 seasons, affc and adwd happen at the same time, and tv viewers WILL NOT STAND for their favorite characters like jon and tyrion to simply be gone for a season just because the books were written that way. especially since, chronologically, they take place at the same time, although likely 2 seasons again.
Regardless, Hollywood essentially lit a fire under GRRM's ass, so he can't take 5 years to write one book since he has to make sure the tv show gets it's new material.

so chin up. it will still be awhile before TWOW, but i predict the entire series to be finished in 4-6 years, not ten
 
I'm with you Jaqen. I don't know if it'll turn out that way, but that's what I want to believe! I reckon three years till the next book.

GRRM says he's worked out most of his plotting problems, so hopefully it should be easier going for him from now on, and he hopefully won't have to rewrite the book three times or more.
 
George RR keeps saying that the last 2 took so long because he started writing the book with the story picking up 5 years after ASOS ended, but after a year of writing that he scrapped it and started over. Also, having to split up the stories led to publication difficulties and hard rewrites, so i am hoping, now that ADWD is done, everything will go quicker
 
I wouldn't worry about it - these things write themselves, with necessary discipline to be available to write them.

But better a good book late in coming, than a poor book rushed to release.

I think AFFC to ADWD both showed that it's better to wait.
 
I said:
I wouldn't worry about it - these things write themselves, with necessary discipline to be available to write them.

But better a good book late in coming, than a poor book rushed to release.

I think AFFC to ADWD both showed that it's better to wait.
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How so? It seems pretty universal that those two (which took the longest) are easily the most disliked and disappointing to fans. I think he should have stuck to that five year gap plan. His need to fill in all the details scream that he's lost control to me. He never had issues with things happening off-page before (eg the actual battle where Jaime was captured)... don't see why he couldn't have let all this soap opera positioning happen off-page and hit the ground running five years later. ASOS ended with a very nice plateau and tons of plotlines resolved or firmly positioned to go forward... and now it's more of a mess than ever.
 
As Jaqen and Messana said above, I think (or perhaps like to think) that HBO's having started the show (and already having picked it up for a second season) would encourage GRRM to up his output. Also, I think that perhaps GRRM himself only greenlit the show once he was confident that he can finish the series in time and not leave HBO hanging.

So, since the series is supposed to be 7 long, that would mean an expected end for the show in 2017 (assuming it doesn't get cancelled along the way), giving Martin less than 6 years from now to finish both the remaining books.

So I'm going to be optimistic and say the next release will be Feb 2014, with the finale coming in the summer or towards the end of 2016.
 
soulsinging said:
He never had issues with things happening off-page before (eg the actual battle where Jaime was captured)... don't see why he couldn't have let all this soap opera positioning happen off-page and hit the ground running five years later. ASOS ended with a very nice plateau and tons of plotlines resolved or firmly positioned to go forward... and now it's more of a mess than ever.
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Agreed. Thanks for the splash of cold water in the face.

The last two were different from the frist three in that they just kind of ended with out endings.

Ned dies, dragons hatch- that's an ending.

Battle of backwater- that's an ending.

ASOS- everything- that's an ending.

Last two..

Hopefully it's just nessessary for the hump of series. I still love his writing and the individual chapters - theon/reek for example (I don't feel sorry for him BTW- just good stuff.) Now that he is too the point where he can end it like he planned I'm thinking they will have better endings going forward (all three of them)
 
Does anyone think it is possible that HBO will take over if GRRM doesn't come out with books on time? I know HBO is brutal with author's / creator's rights (they are still sitting on the rights to Carnivale, keeping the original creator from doing anything with the project). I think it might be the case that GRRM signed his life away for that show, and that HBO is going to do what it thinks is best, author notwithstanding.
 
They're talking about splitting upcoming books into multiple seasons, I would think that that trend would continue since the books just keep getting bigger. That would give him a few more years.
 
soulsinging said:
ASOS ended with a very nice plateau and tons of plotlines resolved or firmly positioned to go forward
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I think there's the answer regarding the HBO series. ASOS ended pretty neatly. If the HBO series ends there it would also be a pretty neat little ending. Lannisters win, Dany gets her own city. Throw in a battle at the end where Jon and Wall defeat the Others and you have a done deal.

You guys are assuming that HBO will continue to order more seasons. How many shows do you know of that last 7 seasons? 4 seasons? It really isn't that many. My point is that I don't think GRRM is going to hurry up for HBO...or anyone.

I'll go with May 2015. Four years sounds about right.
 
Kierkegaurdian said:
Does anyone think it is possible that HBO will take over if GRRM doesn't come out with books on time? I know HBO is brutal with author's / creator's rights (they are still sitting on the rights to Carnivale, keeping the original creator from doing anything with the project). I think it might be the case that GRRM signed his life away for that show, and that HBO is going to do what it thinks is best, author notwithstanding.
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GRRM isn't anknown screenwriter that needed to sign his soul away to get an HBO deal. I suppose anything is possible, but I would think that this would be a VERY inlikely scenario.

Also, in terms of the timing, the second season will air in 2012. Assuming one season per book, which may actually not be true, the third season would be 2013, the fourth 2014, and the fifth 2016. HBO doesn't NEED a new book until the fall of 2016, when casting would start, etc. FOllowing this logic, GRRM has 6 years to finish 2 books, which should be dioable given he's past the really tough stuff.

I hope.
 
The Imp said:
GRRM isn't anknown screenwriter that needed to sign his soul away to get an HBO deal. I suppose anything is possible, but I would think that this would be a VERY inlikely scenario.
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But HBO isn't a ragtag studio that needs GRRM's series to attract viewers, either. I think they would have a lot more power in the negotiations than GRRM would. GRRM has made a lot of money but he certainly doesn't have the millions of dollars needed to produce 10 episodes of a fantasy TV series. Just saying, it's possible they made him an offer he couldn't refuse while at the same time retaining ultimate control over the series in case they needed to wrap it up early (and therefore invent different storylines/conclusions from the book).
 
Mesanna said:
GRRM says he's worked out most of his plotting problems, so hopefully it should be easier going for him from now on, and he hopefully won't have to rewrite the book three times or more.
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Devil's Advocate said:
Also, in some interview, GRRM apparently did not rule out the possibility of extending the series to an eighth book...
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Do either of you remember where you read these? I would like to read through them as well.

My guess would be sometime in 2014 for TWOW. I just hope its not longer, but I will wait as long as it takes.
 
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