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This thread arose primarily from a discussion with Conn and some other members here regarding the decline in the popularity stakes for poetry (vs. novels, short stories etc. ) over recent decades.

Now I confess to being one of those people who does not spend anywhere near as much time reading poetry as to what I devote towards novels and short stories.

I'll try and post something further in due course but for anyone who is either currently reading some poetry or has a favourite poet or poem they wish to acknowledge or report on then this is the thread to do so.

With any luck this may even help to promote poetry in general and remain on the first page of General Books in the way the Short Story thread has by and large been able to achieve.

Cheers.
 
Well, it's nice to see this,but I was wondering how encompassing is the scope of the thread, Goll? SF/F poetry, modern stuff and "futuristic" writing, or are you intending it to cover everything back to Homer and beyond?


Poetry on Chrons?
Calliope, then, lives on
In this Brave New World.
 
Pretty much across the board Pyan. A catch-all for all poetry really.

Anything that has stuck with you or that you particularly admire or even dislike for that matter...

I'm sure there will be discussion on this as Poetry is an important medium that seems to have been a tad neglected in our contemporary times when measured against the popularity of the novel or short story.

Cheers.
 
I probably should have added that to the extent it is practicable, posting the contents of a Poem (or a link) may help further aid in its appreciation or facilitate member feedback as well as a reason for why the poem appeals or not as the case may be..along the lines of the short story thread so that discussion may take place on at least some occasions.

Cheers.
 
One of my favorites is "The Highwayman" by Alfred Noyes. Perhaps evidence of a not very high-brow taste on my part. But it's hard to beat the first stanza for setting a scene:

The wind was a torrent of darkness among the gusty trees,
The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas,
The road was a ribbon of moonlight over the purple moor,
And the highwayman came riding—
.......... Riding—riding—
The highwayman came riding, up to the old inn-door.



For the rest, see here:

The Highwayman
 
Good idea, Goll - I was going to suggest that, as people may read it if it's posted, whereas they may not bother to search from a title. Posting's even better than a link, unless you want to recommend Paradise Lost or something similar...


Anyone interested in SF/F poetry, by the way, might like to know that there is a Science Fiction Poetry Association, which publishes the results of its annual Rhysling Awards (named after the blind poet and singer in RA Heinlein's The Green Hills of Earth). SF, Fantasy and Horror poems are all eligible, and there's some interesting work being written.



One of my favourites, which has stayed with me ever since I read it at the end of Gaudy Night by DL Sayers, is the last part of the Eclogue : at the Marriage of the Earl of Somerset by that greatest of the Metaphysical Poets, John Donne...



THE GOOD-NIGHT.

Now, as in Tullia's tomb, one lamp burnt clear,
Unchanged for fifteen hundred year,
May these love-lamps we here enshrine,
In warmth, light, lasting, equal the divine.
Fire ever doth aspire,
And makes all like itself, turns all to fire,
But ends in ashes ; which these cannot do,
For none of these is fuel, but fire too.
This is joy's bonfire, then, where love's strong arts
Make of so noble individual parts
One fire of four inflaming eyes, and of two loving hearts.
 
I don't read nearly as much as I should, but I have old favourites.

John Donne -- I'd forgotten that piece, pyan. I've read Gaudy Night but it didn't stick with me. I prefer his shorter works and I love the roughness of his rhythms which imitate speech so well:

I wonder by my troth, what thou and I
Did, till we lov'd

The Good-Morrow

For Godsake hold your tongue, and let me love
The Canonization

And although I can't always follow him, sometimes his intellectual conceits (imagery) really hit home for me -- there's an extended one in A Valediction Forbidding Mourning where he talks of his and his lover's two souls:

If they be two, they are two so
As stiffe twin compasses are two,
Thy soule the fixt foot, makes no show
To move, but doth if the'other doe.


Another favourite is Gerard Manley Hopkins, for his love of beauty -- Pied Beauty usually comes in a list of top 100 poems:

Glory be to God for dappled things --
For skies of couple-colour as a brinded cow;
For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim;
Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls; finches' wings;
Landscape plotted and pieced -- fold, fallow, and plough;
And all trades, their gear and tackle and trim.

but my favourite is As kingfishers catch fire

And there's the way he could express such agony in lines like:

O the mind, mind has mountains; cliffs of fall
Frightful, sheer, no-man-fathomed. Hold them cheap
May who ne'er hung there.


and I wake and feel the fell of dark
 
For what it's worth, my favorite poem is "I Remember, I Remember" by Thomas Hood.

I remember, I remember
The house where I was born,
The little window where the sun
Came peeping in at morn.
He never came a wink too soon,
Nor brought too long a day;
But now I often wish the night
Had borne my breath away.

I remember, I remember
The roses, red and white,
The violets, and the lily-cups, ---
Those flowers made of light!
The lilacs where the robin built,
And where my brother set
The laburnum on his birthday, ---
The tree is living yet!

I remember, I remember
Where I used to swing,
And thought the air must rush as fresh
To swallows on the wing;
My spirit flew in feathers then,
That is so heavy now,
And summer pools could hardly cool
The fever on my brow!

I remember, I remember
The fir-trees dark and high;
I used to think their slender tops
Were close against the sky.
It was a childish ignorance,
But now 't is little joy
To know I'm farther off from Heaven
Than when I was a boy.
 
This is a late poem by Ruth Pitter. I will share more of her poems. This one is for all my British readers and for those who know what she's talking about who live elsewhere.

They Have Murdered My Village

They have murdered my village,
My tree is cut down.
Over the tillage
Advances the town.
My father's gone cadging,
My mother is dead;
I try to imagine
What she would have said.

"A cut tree can grow faster.
Towns come and go.
Both saver and waster
Get buried in snow.
Go on, naked Pity,
All bleeding and sore,
Till you come to the City
Where change is no more."

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I must admit to a fondness for this one:

Andrew Marvel: To His Coy Mistress

There are some good lines in the rest, beloved of writers looking for a title for their own work, but my favorite is the last verse:

Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may;
And now, like am'rous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour,
Than languish in his slow-chapp'd power.
Let us roll all our strength, and all
Our sweetness, up into one ball;
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Thorough the iron gates of life.
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.
 
I love W. B. Yeats' Second Coming. It was written in 1919 but it feels as if it was written in 1914 - such is the sense of apprehension within it.

Here's a snippet

But now I know
that twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

I also like a bit of Haiku now and then:)
 
I like a lot of classical poetry but, while I could point to bits of Pindar, Sappho, Horace, etc., the best of it is Homer, Aeschylus, etc., and those are not short. ;) Then I wander through the ages liking things here and there but it's really the Romantic and Decadent sorts that seem to really light me up.

Poe was very influential on me as a kid. One of my favorites is "The Conqueror Worm" which, IIRC, comes from "Ligeia", which is also one of my favorite stories.

For something completely different, I like Shelley's "Ode to a Skylark" - I especially like the first line: "Hail to thee, blithe Spirit!" and the metrical fun, balance, and alliteration of "And singing still dost soar, and soaring ever singest".

(That link leads to another excellent one: "Ozymandias".)

I also like some post-Poe late-19th to early-20th century American poetry. (For some reason, I don't seem to like a British poet after Swinburne.) One of those is Mina Loy and her "Lunar Baedeker".

But I lose interest in post-War poets. E.E. Cummings was the Last Poet and he and some other pre-War poets continue past WWII, but now they're all dead. About the only notable post-war poet's poem I've noticed is the Beat poet Gregory Corso's "Marriage". :)
 
Thanks to all of the contributions so far. It certainly seems as if this thread may have tapped into an underlying love of poetry that has always been here on these forums but never really front and centre and for that alone I'm glad this thread was created.

Now as I stated at the outset, I'm not particularly strong in my knowledge of Poetry but one poet who hails from South America and been named by several critics as perhaps the greatest poet of them all is the former winner of the Nobel Prize, the Chilean poet Pablo Neruda. As I have a particular fondness for Latin American literature it probably comes as no surprise that I stumbled across its best known poet in my travels.

Here's a sample of Neruda's prose. A number of the poems are a little long to post here, so I hope you enjoy this very small sample.

[FONT=Comic Sans MS,sans-serif]I crave your mouth...

I crave your mouth, your voice, your hair.
Silent and starving, I prowl through the streets.
Bread does not nourish me, dawn disrupts me, all day
I hunt for the liquid measure of your steps.

I hunger for your sleek laugh,
your hands the color of a savage harvest,
hunger for the pale stones of your fingernails,
I want to eat your skin like a whole almond.

I want to eat the sunbeam flaring in your lovely body,
the sovereign nose of your arrogant face,
I want to eat the fleeting shade of your lashes,

and I pace around hungry, sniffing the twilight,
hunting for you, for your hot heart,
Like a puma in the barrens of Quitratue.
[/FONT]
Leaning into the afternoon

Leaning into the afternoon, I cast my saddened nets,
towards your oceanic eyes.

There, in the highest fire, my solitude unrolls and ignites,
arms flailing like a drowning man’s.

I send out crimson flares across your distant eyes,
that swell like the waves, at the base of a lighthouse.

You only guard darkness, far-off woman of mine,
from your gaze the shore of trepidation sometimes emerges.

Leaning towards afternoon, I fling my saddened nets,
into the sea, your eyes of ocean trouble.

The night-birds peck at the early stars,
that glitter as my soul does, while it loves you.

The night gallops, on its mare of shadows,
spilling blue silken tassels of corn, over the fields.

March days return with their covert light

March days return with their covert light,
and huge fish swim through the sky,
vague earthly vapours progress in secret,
things slip to silence one by one.
Through fortuity, at this crisis of errant skies,
you reunite the lives of the sea to that of fire,
grey lurchings of the ship of winter
to the form that love carved in the guitar.
O love, O rose soaked by mermaids and spume,
dancing flame that climbs the invisible stairway,
to waken the blood in insomnia’s labyrinth,
so that the waves can complete themselves in the sky,
the sea forget its cargoes and rages,
and the world fall into darkness’s net
s.

 
And another I like....

Lost in the forest...

Lost in the forest, I broke off a dark twig
and lifted its whisper to my thirsty lips:
maybe it was the voice of the rain crying,
a cracked bell, or a torn heart.

Something from far off it seemed
deep and secret to me, hidden by the earth,
a shout muffled by huge autumns,
by the moist half-open darkness of the leaves.

Wakening from the dreaming forest there, the hazel-sprig
sang under my tongue, its drifting fragrance
climbed up through my conscious mind

as if suddenly the roots I had left behind
cried out to me, the land I had lost with my childhood --
and I stopped, wounded by the wandering scent
 
the Chilean poet Pablo Neruda

I'm very poor when it comes to modern poets in other languages - I have a bit of Rilke (from non-poetic inspirations and that I haven't read) and some French decadents but (being regrettably monolingual) I tend to read exclusively English poets once modern English actually exists. A translation seems to me to be either a miraculous transubstantiation or (without at all going all ways with the concept) a "heresy of paraphrase". But that doesn't prevent a "translator" from creating some interesting new things. ;)

To continue adding poems, this isn't connected to anything, but it just popped into my head after I made my previous post. I'm not as big a Shakespeare buff as almost everyone but I like his Sonnet CXXX. :)

Back on the 1850-1940 American poets I mentioned, there's Dickinson and Crane from c.1850-1900, who are very interesting in themselves and when compared and contrasted together.

Dickinson's "I taste a liquor never brewed" (I especially like the first two lines of the second stanza) and her "Apparently with no surprise".

Crane's "It was wrong to do this" and his "The Wayfarer".

Naturally dozens or hundreds more from each but those are a couple semi-randomly pulled from the good ones of each. And with both, especially Dickinson, the editors like to mess with the punctuation and sometimes entire words/lines, so it's good to seek out definitive (or at least multiple) sources.
 
A couple of poems by Kipling, that rather counter the common view of him as an unrepentant imperialist snob...

Firstly, the great Recessional. Hubris is nothing in the sight of God:

God of our fathers, known of old—
Lord of our far-flung battle line—
Beneath whose awful hand we hold
Dominion over palm and pine—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!

The tumult and the shouting dies—
The Captains and the Kings depart—
Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
An humble and a contrite heart.
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!

Far-called our navies melt away—
On dune and headland sinks the fire—
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!



And a poignant poem that illustrates Kipling's power to get into the mind of his characters:

The Roman Centurion's Song

Legate, I had the news last night - my cohort ordered home
By ships to Portus Itius and thence by road to Rome.
I've marched the companies aboard, the arms are stowed below:
Now let another take my sword. Command me not to go!

I've served in Britain forty years, from Vectis to the Wall,
I have none other home than this, nor any life at all.
Last night I did not understand, but, now the hour draws near
That calls me to my native land, I feel that land is here.

Here where men say my name was made, here where my work was done;
Here where my dearest dead are laid - my wife - my wife and son;
Here where time, custom, grief and toil, age, memory, service, love,
Have rooted me in British soil. Ah, how can I remove?

For me this land, that sea, these airs, those folk and fields suffice.
What purple Southern pomp can match our changeful Northern skies,
Black with December snows unshed or pearled with August haze -
The clanging arch of steel-grey March, or June's long-lighted days?

You'll follow widening Rhodanus till vine and olive lean
Aslant before the sunny breeze that sweeps Nemausus clean
To Arelate's triple gate; but let me linger on,
Here where our stiff-necked British oaks confront Euroclydon!

You'll take the old Aurelian Road through shore-descending pines
Where, blue as any peacock's neck, the Tyrrhene Ocean shines.
You'll go where laurel crowns are won, but -will you e'er forget
The scent of hawthorn in the sun, or bracken in the wet?

Let me work here for Britain's sake - at any task you will -
A marsh to drain, a road to make or native troops to drill.
Some Western camp (I know the Pict) or granite Border keep,
Mid seas of heather derelict, where our old messmates sleep.

Legate, I come to you in tears - My cohort ordered home!
I've served in Britain forty years. What should I do in Rome?
Here is my heart, my soul, my mind - the only life I know.
I cannot leave it all behind. Command me not to go!



If you want to read more Kipling verse, there's a pdf collected edition at openlibrary.org, which in itself is a site that you could browse for years...
 
I discovered my respect, love for poetry only last year when i read a whole poetry class. Read everything from Homer to romantic era,modern,post modern poets. Mostly i liked british ones and swedish.

My fav poets so far are: Homer,Blake,Poe,Södergran,Tranströmer.

Edith Södergran a Swedish-Finish female poet that died 31 years old but created immense works. I have read her complete collection cover to cover almost. She is a rare author i feel deep connection, strong emotions for. Her writing is very important to me, her poems are not the most poetic ones but they say so much about her, her issues and they say universal things i could relate to.


Im reading 17 poems by Tomas Tranströmer, his hailed debut from 1954. I felt silly buying a collected poetry work by him since i felt like people might think i have read him only because of some Nobel Prize. Not because i read him 1 1/2 year ago in Uni class.
 
My fav poets so far are: Homer,Blake,Poe,Södergran,Tranströmer.

The first three are some of my top few, too. Of the last two, Sodergran, especially, sounds interesting as well.

Blake doesn't excerpt well, to me - he's sort of an immersion experience. He's such complexity often cloaked in simplicity that it's easy to think, "Oh, the lamb/tiger guy". Nonetheless, here's one from the tiger book - "The Garden of Love" - complete with his illustrations - he wasn't just a poet but an all-around artist whose art was philosophy, as well. The guy famous partly for dichotomies was very unified.

Another of the early 20th C. Americans I mentioned is Robinson Jeffers. I managed to find two of my favorites in the same place:

"Hurt Hawks"
"Vulture"

But read the tiny intro last - I agree completely with the poster about the extra-magical word in "Vulture" but it should hit fresh and clean. These are both extraordinary poems.
 
The first three are some of my top few, too. Of the last two, Sodergran, especially, sounds interesting as well.

Blake doesn't excerpt well, to me - he's sort of an immersion experience. He's such complexity often cloaked in simplicity that it's easy to think, "Oh, the lamb/tiger guy". Nonetheless, here's one from the tiger book - "The Garden of Love" - complete with his illustrations - he wasn't just a poet but an all-around artist whose art was philosophy, as well. The guy famous partly for dichotomies was very unified.

Another of the early 20th C. Americans I mentioned is Robinson Jeffers. I managed to find two of my favorites in the same place:

"Hurt Hawks"
"Vulture"

But read the tiny intro last - I agree completely with the poster about the extra-magical word in "Vulture" but it should hit fresh and clean. These are both extraordinary poems.

I dont like to quote, show excerpts of my fav poets because its not only few poetic lines i like like Tiger, Tiger. Blake for example i like for his colorful prose style, the images he paints up same with Poe. They have truly beautiful prose style fit for poetry.
 

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