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This is the opening piece of a (probably) short story. I didn't really want to put it up yet but my polishing couldn't keep up with my posting :eek: So I'm not terribly happy with it yet.

I do have some specific concerns:

1. Too much exposition/narration? Not enough action/dialogue?
2. Have I broken the Captain's speech up too much with background?
3. Does it need more description?
4. And this is the biggest, I'm not convinced that it is any good as an opening scene or could easily be made so. Yet it is a logical place to start. I could start earlier as they begin the journey home but, whilst that might be okay for a book, I feel it would make too long an introduction for a short story. Alternatively I could maybe make it a flash back as they are coming land on the new planet.

Anyway here it is:


The mess was the only room large enough to hold the entire ships complement. Just. And, arriving late, Sam Jennings had to do a bit of squeezing and shoving to establish a space for himself. Such meetings were rare in the course of a survey tour and, in the buzz of conversation around him, he could hear the ship’s rumour mill overflowing with speculation.

The arrival of Captain Jim Bell and Paul Burton, his First Officer, brought an abrupt hush. The Captain eased his large frame through the press of bodies and stood with his back to the bar; Burton to his side. His steady gaze took in all twelve members of the crew. He did not appear happy.

“I am aware that for some this should be your sleep period and I do apologise.”

Sam grunted. That was exactly why he had been late and his mind had not yet fully caught up with his body.

“Although we are headed for home,” the Captain continued, “we are still under Operational Command. I am waving that for this matter; a rapid decision is required and it is more appropriate to a shareholder vote than a command decision.”

A renewed speculative murmur arose at this. Everyone present had shares in the Searcher, however few -- it had always been a requirement for joining the crew -- and, when not operational, major decisions were always made by shareholder vote. However, until they reached Earth, another couple of weeks away, they should still be operating under the strict hierarchical Operational Command.

“It’s been a long, hard tour and I know you’re all looking forward to getting home.”

That should have come with a smile, but no, and that worried Sam. He saw the same concern mirrored in the faces around him. At six months this tour had been double the usual length and, without a single hospitable planetfall, they had all spent altogether too long breathing canned air, packed like so many sardines into a space barely big enough to maintain sanity. Sam waited for the other boot to fall.

“I’m sure rumours have been flying around about the remote courier waiting for us as we came out of hyper yesterday.” A few wry chuckles ran through the assembly. “Well, Interstellar Survey has asked us to do a little detour.”

The voice of the Engineer’s Mate, Dave Smith rose above the predictable grumble of protest. “No way, Captain. Six months out and they want us to do more. That might be all well and good on one of those luxury liners they call IS survey ships, but the Searcher just isn’t big enough for such an extended tour.”

“Dave, I sympathise and feel much the same. However, they have only asked, they cannot command. That is what we must decide now.” He glanced around; every eye in the room was fixed on him.

“The IS astronomers have found an interesting new planet and they want us to take a look.”

“Excuse me, Captain,” Sam put in over the renewed babble of complaints, “we used the last of our remote survey probes at WK2263, our hold has no space for any more samples and we have no remote couriers left. Exactly what kind of survey do they expect us to achieve?”

“Yes, I know, Sam, and to be fair so do IS. They only want a preliminary survey, to establish exactly what will be needed for a full one. I know you can do wonderful things with just the shipboard sensors and the shuttle can be adapted. IS are sending a couple of remote couriers to the system that’ll arrive shortly after ourselves. We’ll just have to make do.

“The system is in this sector and there are no more ships scheduled out this way for a couple of years but it seems the astronomers are in something of a hurry.” He paused before bringing that other boot down. “Their analysis suggests that this could be a fertile planet. A very fertile planet. From their observations it is conceivable that it may hold more life than Earth itself.”

This extraordinary announcement elicited another buzz of conversation and the Captain waited it out. In the fifty years since the advent of interstellar travel, life had only been found on a dozen planets. In most cases nothing more complex than single celled microbes. On just five of those planets multicellular life had been found and of those only two had anything that could be described as higher order life; sparse flora and fauna eking out an existence in what were, compared to Earth, hopelessly hostile environments. If they really had found a planet as fertile as Earth, Sam could well understand the excitement.

“We estimate it will take an extra two months, more or less,” he glanced at Burton who nodded, “and IS are prepared to pay triple rates right up to the moment we are docked back in Earth orbit. In addition, assuming the boffins have got it right, there should be ample opportunities for discovery bonuses.”

As the Captain invited questions, Sam’s sleep fuddled brain tuned out. It didn’t matter; he knew his shipmates well enough and he knew what the decision would be. He began mentally composing a message of apology to his family back home.

Later, as he wandered down the short corridors back to his cabin and bed, he considered the implications of that decision for him. The Searcher carried only two scientists: Joe Simkins, the exoplanetologist, and Ruth Farmer, the astronomer. Exolife was sufficiently uncommon that few survey ships carried any kind of life scientist and Searcher was no exception. Sam, as usual, would be expected to fill that gap. Responsible for IT, his duties covered everything from Nety, the main ship’s computer, to all the sensors, probes and recording systems used by the scientists, as well as all the acquisition, analysis and modelling of the planetary data. And he was also expected to fill in on any science areas not covered by those two. He began planning a study schedule for himself. For Sam, at least, it was going to be a busy trip to this planet.
 
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Congratulations on the 3,000th!!

No time tonight for a proper crit, as I shouldn't be here, but very quickly, yes, for me there's a bit too much exposition. I don't object to you breaking the speech up, in fact you need it, rather than having one lump, but I think you could show some of the expostion in dialogue from others eg (very rough as I'm tired and off to my bed) "Come off it, Captain," said Fred. "Fifty years of looking, umpteen thousand systems scanned, and only 12 planets with a few microbes." "Planet Sassafras had plant life," objected Pam.

Seems fine as a start to me -- right before the action. Better would be just as they drop down to the planet, but info-dumping of this kind would be even worse in a flashback, I'm afraid, so you'd have to be a lot more careful. Don't start any earlier though (unless it's him actually getting out of bed at the summons).

I'd like you to cut quite a bit -- that final para could probably go in its entirety, for instance. I'd also like a better feeling for Sam, a bit more of him to come out.

A few mistakes of punctuation and eg things like it should be "waiving" not "waving". My biggest gripe is the supposed lack of space. I have a tiny dining room, just big enough for a table and 6 people to sit around it, but I could get 12 people standing in it by shoving the table to one side and having some people sit on the table itself.

A good solid first draft, though, setting things up nicely. Well done.
 
Thanks for taking the time to look at it so late at night TJ, and give some tips! Much appreciated. And I think I agree with all you say. I wasn't happy with that last paragraph, I wanted to explain why he gets lumbered with the job even though he's no biologist. But it felt clumsy I'll have to find another way!

Re the room; what is your gripe. That there's too much or too little.

Do you know, on one of my read throughs I looked at that 'waving' and thought, "that should be the other one, I'd better check," I'm hopeless at spelling, but then I must have been distracted!

Thanks!
 
Interestingly, my immediate reaction was the opposite to The Judge's, but keep in mind I am not a sci-fi fan. I found the first half a lot more of an info dump than the second (I'd got into the flow of it by then, and the idea of a fertile planet kept me interested).

Also, I would lose the first paragraph entirely -- I didn't think it added anything the rest of the passage didn't give you, and simply add enough in the first few lines to establish setting.

Congratulations on the posts!
 
I looked at this and thought someone had resurrected your 2000th. Gah, so quick....

The mess was the only room large enough to hold the entire ships complement. Just. And, arriving late, Sam Jennings had to do a bit of squeezing and shoving to establish a space for himself. Such meetings were rare in the course of a survey tour and, in the buzz of conversation around him, he could hear the ship’s rumour mill overflowing with speculation. I think I see the influence of the writing book here, very nice and neat.

The arrival of Captain Jim Bell and Paul Burton, his First Officer, brought an abrupt hush. The Captain eased his largemakes me wonder if he's a bit too fond of his steak'n'guiness pies? frame through the press of bodies and stood with his back to the bar;I'd have used a comma Burton to his side. His steady gaze took in all twelve members of the crew. He did not appear happy.

“I am aware that for some this should be your sleep period and I do apologise.”

Samhere I got a little confused as to who was who. Not because of the grammar, possibly due to the number of people introduced. grunted. That was exactly why he had been late and his mind had not yet fully caught up with his body.

“Although we are headed for home,” the Captain continued, “we are still under Operational Command. I am wavingwaiving? that for this matter; a rapid decision is required and it is more appropriate to a shareholder voteseemed a little turned around: a shareholder voted seems more appropriate than.... than a command decision.”

A renewed speculative murmur arose at this. Everyone present had shares in the Searcher, however few -- it had always been a requirement for joining the crew -- and, when not operational, major decisions were always made by shareholder vote. However, until they reached EarthI'd have used -- here, another couple of weeks away--, they should still be operating under the strict hierarchical Operational Command.

“It’s been a long, hard tour and I know you’re all looking forward to getting home.”

That should have come with a smile, but no, and that worried Sam. He saw the same concern mirrored in the faces around him. At six months this tour had been double the usual length and, without a single hospitable planetfall, they had all spent altogether too long breathing canned air, packed like so many sardines into a space barely big enough to maintain sanity. Sam waited for the other boot to fall?.

“I’m sure rumours have been flying around about the remote courier waiting for us as we came out of hyper yesterday.” A few wry chuckles ran through the assembly. “Well, Interstellar Survey has asked us to do a little detour.”

The voice of the Engineer’s Mate, Dave Smith rose above the predictable grumble of protest. “No way, Captain. Six months out and they want us to do more. That might be all well and good on one of those luxury liners they call IS survey ships, but the Searcher just isn’t big enough for such an extended tour.”

“Dave, I sympathise and feel much the same. However, they have only asked, they cannot command. That is what we must decide now.” He glanced around; every eye in the room was fixed on him.I'm wondering about pov, was I in Sam's earlier?

“The IS astronomers have found an interesting new planet and they want us to take a look.”

“Excuse me, Captain,” Sam put in over the renewed babble of complaints, “we used the last of our remote survey probes at WK2263, our hold has no space for any more samples and we have no remote couriers left. Exactly what kind of survey do they expect us to achieve?”

“Yes, I know, Sam, and to be fair so do IShe seems very reasonable for a captain of such a ship. I'd have expected him to be less democratic.... They only want a preliminary survey, to establish exactly what will be needed for a full one. I know you can do wonderful things with just the shipboard sensors and the shuttle can be adapted. IS are sending a couple of remote couriers to the system that’ll arrive shortly after ourselves. We’ll just have to make do.and again, I'm surprised... they'll make do on a interstellar ship?

“The system is in this sector and there are no moreother? ships scheduled out this way for a couple of yearscomma? but it seems the astronomers are in something of a hurry.” He paused before bringing that other boot down.I now see the reference, but I'm not that keen. “Their analysis suggests that this could be a fertile planet. A very fertile planet. From their observations it is conceivable that it may hold more life than Earth itself.”

This extraordinary announcement elicited another buzz of conversation and the Captain waited it out. In the fifty years since the advent of interstellar travel, life had only been found on a dozen planets. In most cases nothing more complex than single celled microbes. On just five of those planets multicellular life had been found and of those only two had anything that could be described as higher order life; sparse flora and fauna eking out an existence in what were, compared to Earth, hopelessly hostile environments. If they really had found a planet as fertile as Earth, Sam could well understand the excitement.

“We estimate it will take an extra two months, more or less,” he glanced at Burton who nodded, “and IS are prepared to pay triple rates right up to the moment we are docked back in Earth orbit. In addition, assuming the boffins have got it right, there should be ample opportunities for discovery bonuses.”

As the Captain invited questions, Sam’s sleep fuddled brain tuned out. It didn’t matter; he knew his shipmates well enough and hecould drop knew what the decision would be. He began mentally composing a message of apology to his family back home like this, the human touch. .

Later, as he wandered down the short corridors back to his cabin and bed, he considered the implications of that decision for him. The Searcher carried only two scientists: Joe Simkins, the exoplanetologist, and Ruth Farmer, the astronomer. Exolife was sufficiently uncommon that few survey ships carried any kind of life scientist and Searcher was no exception. Sam, as usual, would be expected to fill that gap. Responsible for IT, his duties covered everything from Nety, the main ship’s computer, to all the sensors, probes and recording systems used by the scientists, as well as all the acquisition, analysis and modelling of the planetary data. And he was also expected to fill in on any science areas not covered by those two. He began planning a study schedule for himself. For Sam, at least, it was going to be a busy trip to this planet.

Hi, Vertigo. I'm assuming (we all know what that can mean.. ) this is hard sci fi, for adults. As such, I think it works. It brings us in, has some character motivaion. The grammar is, to my limited eye, spot on, and I enjoyed it. there are a few suggestions (why crit, otherwise. ;))
 
Re the room; what is your gripe. That there's too much or too little.
See if my brain's working any better this morning (probably not...) If there's only 14 of them, including the captain and sidekick, I didn't think it realistic they're so crowded in a room that they're having to fight through the press like people crammed into a lift. Modern day canteens have tables and chairs which can be stacked flat against a wall, so if space is at a premium I'm sure a interstellar craft would have something much more hi-tech and space-saving. I tried to google about submarines to see how big their cabins are, but my broadband is playing up. This is only a pedant's grumble, though, so don't worry about it!

Also, I would lose the first paragraph entirely -- I didn't think it added anything the rest of the passage didn't give you.
Now see, I liked the opening para! Though I think it could be a bit snappier, and I'd lose the "the only room" in the first line -- as written the "Just" qualifies that, so it's "just about the only room" which isn't what you mean. (Should it be a cabin?)


Thinking further about my idea of using dialogue, you need to be careful not to introduce too many names too quickly, so if you did go along that path, I'd drop naming the First Officer and make the dialogue between Sam and someone else eg Dave Smith but only if that someone is important in the rest of the story.
 
Hi Vertigo. 3,000... wow. Good to see some more of your work, and I enjoyed it, even if I was thinking of Alien a few times... I read it all quite easily, so I'm not worried about the premise of the story or action at all. But if it's a short story, I'd probably just take out a small amount of the words, where the reader's imagination might be better left to fill in the gaps. I think the first para could easily be amalgamated into the second along the lines of: "Captain Bell pushed his way into the crowded room." (I'd leave out the first officer altogether as he does nothing.... typical!

Other thoughts in red.

This is the opening piece of a (probably) short story. I didn't really want to put it up yet but my polishing couldn't keep up with my posting :eek: So I'm not terribly happy with it yet.

I do have some specific concerns:

1. Too much exposition/narration? Not enough action/dialogue?
2. Have I broken the Captain's speech up too much with background?
3. Does it need more description?
4. And this is the biggest, I'm not convinced that it is any good as an opening scene or could easily be made so. Yet it is a logical place to start. I could start earlier as they begin the journey home but, whilst that might be okay for a book, I feel it would make too long an introduction for a short story. Alternatively I could maybe make it a flash back as they are coming land on the new planet.

Anyway here it is:


The mess was the only room large enough to hold the entire ships complement. Just. And, arriving late, Sam Jennings had to do a bit of squeezing and shoving to establish a space for himself. Such meetings were rare in the course of a survey tour and, in the buzz of conversation around him, he could hear the ship’s rumour mill overflowing with speculation.

The arrival of Captain Jim Bell and Paul Burton, his First Officer, brought an abrupt hush. The Captain eased his large frame through the press of bodies and stood with his back to the bar; Burton to his side. His steady gaze took in all twelve members of the crew. He did not appear happy.

“I am aware that for some this should be your sleep period and I do apologise.”

Sam grunted. That was exactly why he had been late and his mind had not yet fully caught up with his body.

“Although we are headed for home,” the Captain continued, “we are still under Operational Command. I am waving that for this matter; a rapid decision is required and it is more appropriate to a shareholder vote than a command decision.”

A renewed speculative murmur arose at this. {{Everyone present had shares in the Searcher, however few -- it had always been a requirement for joining the crew -- and, when not operational, major decisions were always made by shareholder vote. However, until they reached Earth, another couple of weeks away, they should still be operating under the strict hierarchical Operational Command.}} I'd remove all this... we know they must be shareholders, they're all there. Even if they weren't, we know a majority vote carries the day, and the action later tells us it was successful.

“It’s been a long, hard tour and I know you’re all looking forward to getting home.”

That should have come with a smile, but no, and that worried Sam. He saw the same concern mirrored in the faces around him. {{At six months this tour had been double the usual length and, without a single hospitable planetfall, they had all spent altogether too long breathing canned air, packed like so many sardines into a space barely big enough to maintain sanity.}} Ditto: the captain's told us it's been a long hard tour, that's all we need to know. Besides, the engineers mate tells us it's six months, below, so we don't need it here... Sam waited for the other boot to fall.

“I’m sure rumours have been flying around about the remote courier waiting for us as we came out of hyper yesterday.” A few wry chuckles ran through the assembly. “Well, Interstellar Survey has asked us to do a little detour.”

The voice of the Engineer’s Mate, Dave Smith rose above the predictable grumble of protest. “No way, Captain. Six months out and they want us to do more.Possibly a question mark here? That might be all well and good on one of those luxury liners they call IS survey ships, but the Searcher just isn’t big enough for such an extended tour.”

“Dave, I sympathise and feel much the same. However, they have only asked, they cannot command. That is what we must decide now.” He glanced around; every eye in the room was fixed on him.

“The IS astronomers have found an interesting new planet and they want us to take a look.”

“Excuse me, Captain,” Sam put in over the renewed babble of complaints, “we used the last of our remote survey probes at WK2263, our hold has no space for any more samples and we have no remote couriers left. Exactly what kind of survey do they expect us to achieve?”

“Yes, I know, Sam, and to be fair so do IS. They only want a preliminary survey, to establish exactly what will be needed for a full one. I know you can do wonderful things with just the shipboard sensors and the shuttle can be adapted. IS are sending a couple of remote couriers to the system that’ll arrive shortly after ourselves. We’ll just have to make do.

“The system is in this sector and there are no more ships scheduled out this way for a couple of years but it seems the astronomers are in something of a hurry.” He paused before bringing that other boot down.Erm, it was sam's thought about the other boot, so I'm not sure this is correct. I though the other boot was IS asking them to do the detour...“Their analysis suggests that this could be a fertile planet. A very fertile planet. From their observations it is conceivable that it may hold more life than Earth itself.”

This extraordinary announcement elicited another buzz of conversation and the Captain waited it out. {{In the fifty years since the advent of interstellar travel, life had only been found on a dozen planets. In most cases nothing more complex than single celled microbes. On just five of those planets multicellular life had been found and of those only two had anything that could be described as higher order life; sparse flora and fauna eking out an existence in what were, compared to Earth, hopelessly hostile environments. If they really had found a planet as fertile as Earth, Sam could well understand the excitement.}} I'd leave this bit to the reader... you've told us 'extraordinary' announcement and you've told us 'buzz of conversation' - I think that's enough to interest us, without the full details.

“We estimate it will take an extra two months, more or less,” he glanced at Burton who nodded, “and IS are prepared to pay triple rates right up to the moment we are docked back in Earth orbit. In addition, assuming the boffins have got it right, there should be ample opportunities for discovery bonuses.”

As the Captain invited questions, Sam’s sleep fuddled brain tuned out. It didn’t matter; he knew his shipmates well enough and he knew what the decision would be. He began mentally composing a message of apology to his family back home. This is great... couple of short sentences to cover a plethora of talking, voting and action. Good stuff.

Later, as he wandered down the short corridors back to his cabin and bed, he considered the implications of that decision for him. {{The Searcher carried only two scientists: Joe Simkins, the exoplanetologist, and Ruth Farmer, the astronomer. Exolife was sufficiently uncommon that few survey ships carried any kind of life scientist and Searcher was no exception. Sam, as usual, would be expected to fill that gap. Responsible for IT, his duties covered everything from Nety, the main ship’s computer, to all the sensors, probes and recording systems used by the scientists, as well as all the acquisition, analysis and modelling of the planetary data. And he was also expected to fill in on any science areas not covered by those two.}} Consider leaving this out. I assume we'll see Sam in action doing all these jobs and it'll be so much better showing, rather than telling... He began planning a study schedule for himself. For Sam, at least, it was going to be a busy trip to this planet.See, in one sentence you've said so much, and we will want to see what it is, we're now interested in Sam, not the bigger poicture, which you'll supply as it happens. If they find any seed pods, I'm stopping reading!
 
Thank you all for your comments - incredibly useful particularly with regard to making it more sylph-like! I knew I needed to do this but inevitably couldn't see where; classic wood for trees stuff!

A few specifics:

RcGrant - It's real easy to get embroiled in info dumping with SF especially, I suspect, if you're a bit of a techie nerd like me :)

Springs - You saying that (thinking of pots and kettles) it has taken me three years to get to 3000 you're past 2000 and not even a year yet :eek: Actually my third Chroniversary is on Friday and I had thought of waiting 'till then to post it but that would've meant no posting for a week :eek::eek:! Re the democratic Captain that is deliberate, as everyone owns shares in the ship some things must be done democratically, though usually not when on a tour. This is also why IS can't order them to do the extra bit, they can only ask.

Judge - Re the size thing; see my response to Boneman.

Boneman - Alien! Of course! I didn't even think of Alien (so don't worry; no seed pods in sight), but you're right that is exactly the sort of ship I am thinking about - I shall have to do some research on that - their ship size and crew organisation were pretty convincing and I haven't really decided just how big the crew will be or how they are organised. They did have that sort of claustrophobic atmosphere I'm looking for on their ship although I actually thought it was pretty generous on the space side of things, but then it probably needs to be a little more spacious for the film makers.

And Boneman I particularly liked your suggestions for chopping stuff out. You're absolutely right about effectively saying the same thing twice; I do catch myself doing this but it seems to sneak past my guard more often than not!

This is great... couple of short sentences to cover a plethora of talking, voting and action. Good stuff.
The book I'm reading at the moment does this a lot and I suddenly thought there's really no need to give all the mundane dialogue in full detail.

Re the seed pod thing and Alien. It's actually almost as bad as that. I suddenly realised the ending I had planned is almost exactly the same as my favourite Asimov short story. I hadn't read it in years and I just read it recently and thought oh my God, I've stolen my ending from Asimov. Although there were differences they were sufficiently similar to require re-thinking or maybe at least acknowleding the Good Doctor up front. And there was me thinking I had been so smart :eek:
 
Hiya Vertigo,

Well done on 3000 posts!

My feeling about this is that it's written more at novel pace than short story (unless you're going for a very long short story, or unless something very significant is happening that I haven't spotted because I don't know where you're going with this). If you consider the average short story to be around 5,000 words and a maximum of 10,000 (though many publications lean to stories under 5,000 just because they take up less space) then you don't have a great deal of room to play with. Just like your ship :)

Having said that, I thought it was well-written and engaging. I'd like to read more.

Some comments:

The mess was the only room large enough to hold the entire ships complement. Just. And, arriving late, Sam Jennings had to do a bit of squeezing and shoving to establish a space for himself. Such meetings were rare in the course of a survey tour and, in the buzz of conversation around him, he could hear the ship’s rumour mill overflowing with speculation. [I like this paragraph but it could be tighter if you wanted. e.g. I don;t think you need 'with speculation', and you could exchange 'during' for 'in the course of']

The arrival of Captain Jim Bell and Paul Burton, his First Officer, brought an abrupt hush. The Captain eased his large frame through the press of bodies and stood with his back to the bar; Burton to his side. His steady gaze took in all twelve members of the crew. He did not appear happy.

“I am aware that for some this should be your sleep period and I do apologise.”

Sam grunted. That was exactly why he had been late and his mind had not yet fully caught up with his body. [do you need 'fully'?]

“Although we are headed for home,” the Captain continued, “we are still under Operational Command. I am waving that now? here? -- 'for this matter' feels long] for this matter; a rapid decision is required and it is more appropriate to a shareholder vote than a command decision.”

A renewed speculative murmur arose at this. Everyone present had shares in the Searcher, however few -- it had always been a requirement for joining the crew -- and, when not operational, major decisions were always made by shareholder vote. [How about: 'Every crew member was required to own shares in the Searcher.'? -- it feels like 'when not operational...vote' repeats the information we got from the Captain's speech] However, until they reached Earth, another couple of weeks away, they should still be operating under the strict hierarchical Operational Command.

“It’s been a long, hard tour and I know you’re all looking forward to getting home.”

That should have come with a smile, but no, and that worried Sam. He saw the same concern mirrored in the faces around him. At six months this tour had been double the usual length and, without a single hospitable planetfall, they had all spent altogether too long breathing canned air, packed like so many sardines into a space barely big enough to maintain sanity. Sam waited for the other boot to fall.

“I’m sure rumours have been flying around about the remote courier waiting for us as we came out of hyper yesterday.” A few wry chuckles ran through the assembly.[not sure the first two sentences of this paragraph add enough to justify their inclusion in a short story -- although I'm not that worried about details like how they received the message and I know other people are more interested in those sort of things, so you might want to ignore me] “Well, Interstellar Survey has asked us to do a little detour.”

The voice of the Engineer’s Mate, Dave Smith[comma?] rose above the predictable grumble of protest. “No way, Captain. Six months out [see, this repeats the information you gave us above, and in such a neat piece of dialogue -- I think you could edit the earlier bit -- does it matter that 6 months is double the normal tour length or just that it's unreasonably long?] and they want us to do more. That might be all well and good on one of those luxury liners they call IS survey ships, but the Searcher just isn’t big enough for such an extended tour.”

“Dave, I sympathise and feel much the same. However, they have only asked, they cannot command. That is what we must decide now [what is what they must decide now? because currently it feels a bit like they need to decide between asking and commanding].” He glanced around; every eye in the room was fixed on him.

“The IS astronomers have found an interesting new planet and they want us to take a look.”

“Excuse me, Captain,” Sam put in over the renewed babble of complaints, “we used the last of our remote survey probes at WK2263, our hold has no space for any more samples and we have no remote couriers left. Exactly what kind of survey do they expect us to achieve?” [nice!]

“Yes, I know, Sam, and to be fair so do IS. They only want a preliminary survey, to establish exactly what will be needed for a full one. I know you can do wonderful things with just the shipboard sensors and the shuttle can be adapted. IS are sending a couple of remote couriers to the system that’ll arrive shortly after ourselves ['ourselves' jangled me, I'd prefer 'us' but I have no objective reason for that]. We’ll just have to make do.

“The system is in this sector and [I don;t think you need 'The system...and' because it's implied by the next bit] there are no more ships scheduled out this way for a couple of years but it seems the astronomers are in something of a hurry.” He paused before bringing that other boot down. “Their analysis suggests that this could be a fertile planet. A very fertile planet. From their observations it is conceivable that it may hold more life than Earth itself.”

This extraordinary announcement elicited another buzz ['buzz' felt weak compared to 'extraordinary'] of conversation and the Captain waited it out. In the fifty years since the advent of interstellar travel, life had only been found on a dozen planets. In most cases nothing more complex than single celled microbes. On just five of those planets multicellular life had been found and of those only two had anything that could be described as higher order life; sparse flora and fauna eking out an existence in what were, compared to Earth, hopelessly hostile environments. If they really had found a planet as fertile as Earth, Sam could well understand the excitement.[there's a lot of detail there. I liked it but do you need it all?]

“We estimate it will take an extra two months, more or less,” he glanced at Burton who nodded, “and IS are prepared to [will] pay triple rates right up to the moment [until] we are docked back in Earth orbit. In addition, assuming the boffins have got it right, there should be ample opportunities for discovery bonuses.”

As the Captain invited questions, Sam’s sleep fuddled brain tuned out. It didn’t matter; he knew his shipmates well enough and he knew what the decision would be. He began mentally composing a message of apology to his family back home. [lovely -- what a neat paragraph]

Later, as he wandered down the short corridors back to his cabin and bed, he considered the implications of that decision for him. The Searcher carried only two scientists: Joe Simkins, the exoplanetologist, and Ruth Farmer, the astronomer. Exolife was sufficiently uncommon that few survey ships carried any kind of life scientist and Searcher was no exception. Sam, as usual, would be expected to fill that gap. Responsible for IT, his duties covered everything from Nety, the main ship’s computer, to all the sensors, probes and recording systems used by the scientists, as well as all the acquisition, analysis and modelling of the planetary data. And he was also expected to fill in on any science areas not covered by those two. He began planning a study schedule for himself. For Sam, at least, it was going to be a busy trip to this planet. [lots of information! do you need it all here?]

I agree the first officer could go without being missed!
 
Thanks for the comments Hex. Some really useful tweaks in there!

A couple of specifics:

Gah!!! re your "for this matter". I didn't like that but couldn't see a tighter way of saying it and then you put in 'here'. Perfect, how come I couldn't see such a simple solution!!!

I do need to tie up that shareholder thing, what I'm trying to do is stress the difference bewteen fancy ships operated by IS and small independents operating on a shoestring with all the crew putting up their own money (not dissimilar to the way some small fishing boats operate).

Re the bit about the rumours and the courier waiting for them. It is important later that although they have FTL travel they do not have instantaneous comms, meaning they have no way to discuss what they find with the IS people. I did feel it was a little clumsy though.

I may dispense with the first officer altogether, as I said in response to Boneman's comments the Nostromo from Alien is exactly the sort of ship I was thinking off and I'm pretty sure she had an even smaller crew, which would work for me just fine.

Re length. Yes I have a problem with that - I think it's heading for something more like 10-15k words (hence my 'probably' comment at the top). So maybe it's more of a novella/chap book sort of thing. I'm not planning on publishing so I'm not too worried either way.
 
Right off, I liked it, Vertigo, so what follows below is nit picking.

I would have liked a little bit more of a feel from Sam, some more personal thoughts or similar. A bit hard to define, but a little more from the character to draw me in.

A little bit of telling, but presented well as it is the Captain telling us so I didn’t mind too much.

Some nice info dumps, very concise. The last one was too long for me – the small crew would having to pull double shifts for the survey etc. – would have done. I’m not so sure about the other earth like planets, this is information the reader does need and sets the scene so in this case I was alright with it.

On you questions.
Q1 – More dialogue would break up the section and lighten it I think.
Q2 – No, not a problem for me.
Q3 – Define description? Technical descriptions were just fine. A little more description of what people looked like, the room and other scene setting descriptions would have helped me.
Q4 – As an opening it’s a good place to start and I’d be interested enough to read on. So job done.
 
Thanks for that Bowler. Re the feel for Sam The Judge made the same comment I do agree. This is always going to be a problem for me. That damned British reserve; whatever you do, don't show your feelings! Never mind it's just something I have to work on!

You're spot on with my description question. That's exactly the sort of description I thought I might need more off. Is it brightly lit, is it all pure function and no luxury, that sort of thing.

As discussed above I might reduce the crew size down to half a dozen or less which would make the absence of biologist/botanist much more enderstandable without any real need for explanation.
 
The mess was the only room large enough to hold the entire ship’s complement. Just. [I feel that this is worded very strangely. I know what you were trying to do, but as a reader, it caught me off guard and stopped the natural flow of the paragraph right off the bat]. And, arriving late, Sam Jennings had to do a bit of squeezing and shoving to establish a space for himself. Such meetings were rare in the course of a survey tour and, in the buzz of conversation around him, he could hear the ship’s rumour mill overflowing with speculation.

The arrival of Captain Jim Bell and Paul Burton, his First Officer, brought an abrupt hush. The Captain eased his large frame through the press of bodies and stood with his back to the bar; Burton to his side. His steady gaze took in all twelve members of the crew. He did not appear happy.

I am aware that for some this should be your sleep period and I do apologise.” [Also worded kind of strangely. Perhaps something like "I'm aware that this is your sleep period for some of you" would work better?]

Sam grunted. That was exactly why he had been late and his mind had not yet fully caught up with his body.

“Although we are headed for home [heading home?],” the Captain continued, “we are still under Operational Command. I am waving that for this matter; a rapid decision is required and it is more appropriate to a shareholder vote than a command decision.” [May be better worded like "a shareholder vote is more appropriate than a command decision]

A renewed speculative murmur arose at this. Everyone present had shares in the Searcher, however few -- it had always been a requirement for joining the crew -- and, when not operational, major decisions were always made by shareholder vote. However, until they reached Earth, another couple of weeks away, they should still be operating under the strict hierarchical Operational Command.

“It’s been a long, hard tour and I know you’re all looking forward to getting home.”

That should have come with a smile, but no, and that worried Sam. He saw the same concern mirrored in the faces around him. At six months this tour had been double the usual length and, without a single hospitable planetfall [I love this phrase], they had all spent altogether [Sounds a little strange. Maybe if you took out altogether?] too long breathing canned air, packed like so many sardines into a space barely big enough to maintain sanity. Sam waited for the other boot to fall.

“I’m sure rumours have been flying around about the remote courier waiting for us as we came out of hyper [It may be different in your universe, but post sci fi shows and books would say "hyperspace"] yesterday.” A few wry chuckles ran through the assembly. “Well, Interstellar Survey has asked us to do a little detour.”

The voice of the Engineer’s Mate, Dave Smith rose above the predictable grumble of protest. “No way, Captain. Six months out and they want us to do more. That might be all well and good on one of those luxury liners they call IS survey ships [Not entirely sure what this means], but the Searcher just isn’t big enough for such an extended tour.”

“Dave, I sympathise and feel much the same. However, they have only asked, they cannot command [Why not?]. That is what we must decide now.” He glanced around; every eye in the room was fixed on him.

“The IS astronomers have found an interesting new planet and they want us to take a look.”

“Excuse me, Captain,” Sam put in over the renewed babble of complaints, “[but] we used the last of our remote survey probes at WK2263, our hold has no space for any more samples and we have no remote couriers left. Exactly what kind of survey do they expect us to achieve?”

“Yes, I know, Sam, and to be fair so do [does?] IS. They only want a preliminary survey, to establish exactly what will be needed for a full one. I know you can do wonderful things with just the shipboard sensors [To me, this doesn't seem like something a captain would say. I would think he would be a little more specific] and the shuttle can be adapted. IS are [is?] sending a couple of ["of" isn't needed here] remote couriers to the system that’ll arrive shortly after ourselves. We’ll just have to make do.

“The system is in this sector and there are no more ships scheduled out this way for a couple of years but it seems the astronomers are in something of a hurry.” He paused before bringing that other boot down. [This is the second time you've used the phrase "other boot", so you may want to take it out. On top of that, I think this is a head jump] “Their analysis suggests that this could be a fertile planet. A very fertile planet. From their observations it is conceivable that it may hold more life than Earth itself.[I'd be careful here. If the astronomers are using anything similar to what we have today, they may be able to project that the planet may have life, but I can't think of a conceivable way for them to say that it would hold more life than Earth unless the planet is gigantic or something]

This extraordinary announcement elicited another buzz of conversation and the Captain waited it out. In the fifty years since the advent of interstellar travel, life had only been found on a dozen planets. In most cases nothing more complex than single celled microbes. On just five of those planets multicellular life had been found and [you could take out "and" and put a semicolon in there instead] of those only two had anything that could be described as higher order life; sparse flora and fauna eking out an existence in what were, compared to Earth, hopelessly hostile environments. If they really had found a planet as fertile as Earth, Sam could well understand the excitement.

“We estimate it will take an extra two months, more or less,” he glanced at Burton who nodded, “and IS are [is?] prepared to pay triple rates right up to the moment we are docked back in Earth orbit. In addition, assuming the boffins have got it right, there should be ample opportunities for discovery bonuses.”

As the Captain invited questions, Sam’s sleep[-]fuddled brain tuned out. It didn’t matter; he knew his shipmates well enough and he knew what the decision would be. He began mentally composing a message of apology to his family back home. [Seems like this would be difficult for someone who is half asleep]

Later, as he wandered down the short corridors back to his cabin and bed, he considered the implications of that decision for him. The Searcher carried only two scientists: Joe Simkins, the exoplanetologist, and Ruth Farmer, the astronomer. Exolife was sufficiently uncommon that few survey ships carried any kind of life scientist and Searcher was no exception. Sam, as usual, would be expected to fill that gap. Responsible for IT, his duties covered everything from Nety, the main ship’s computer, to all the sensors, probes and recording systems used by the scientists, as well as all the acquisition, analysis and modelling of the planetary data. And he was also expected to fill in on any science areas not covered by those two. He began planning a study schedule for himself. For Sam, at least, it was going to be a busy trip to this planet.





1. I'd like to see a bit more action, myself. I think actually arriving at this planet might be a better starting point.
2. I didn't have any problem here.
3. I think you did pretty well on the description.
4. As I said in point 1, I think arriving at the planet might be a better starting point, especially if it's a short story.
 
Thanks for that Shane, some more great comments there. Many of the bits you've picked up on, I have now removed or changed. I'll pop a revised version up when it's ready.

You would say you liked "without a single hospitable planetfall". That's one of the bits that got the chop :eek:. However I quite like it too, so it might well reappear in some form when they actually set foot on the planet.

Re the luxury ships bit. I was trying to get across the difference between a fancy, expensively equipped 'official' IS ship and their independent run-on-a-shoestring much smaller ship. I've currently re-worded slightly to: "That might be all well and good on one of those luxury liners IS call survey ships..."

I agree with you on the 'wonderful' bit. Doesn't really sound like a Captain talking. I've tentatively changed this to "I know what you’re capable of with just the shipboard sensors..." or possibly "I know what you can achieve with just the shipboard sensors...". The problem with the second one is the 'you' could read as a generic 'you' rather than specifically 'you, Sam.'

I was a little concerned about whether it would be reasonable for future astronomers to figure out something like that but, although I'm not really being specific about time, I figure this is at least 50-100 years in the future and who knows by then...

IS is or are. Hmm, not sure about that one. Does IS count as a collective noun? The thing is "IS is" doesn't really sound right. My fault for picking that acronym!

Re starting at the arrival, as I said at the beginning I was wondering about this. I've chopped this piece by almost a quarter and the very next scene is in orbit about the planet. So I think I'm going to leave it with opening on this scene for now. But it's certainly not cast in concrete.
 
IS is or are. Hmm, not sure about that one. Does IS count as a collective noun? The thing is "IS is" doesn't really sound right. My fault for picking that acronym!

What does IS stand for anyway? Either way, I believe it counts as a collective noun. If you feel "IS is" seems strange, you could always:
1. change the acronym
2. Use "I.S."

I meant to say that I enjoyed your writing earlier, but I had to go do something so I just went ahead and posted :eek:
 
Interstellar Survey. It does appaer in full the first time it's used. Actually that brings up a good point. I can't remember how many times I've had to go back thumbing through a book to find the original definition of some acronym being used. But if it's always written out in full I find, as a reader, that it always feels really clumsy.

I meant to say that I enjoyed your writing earlier, but I had to go do something so I just went ahead and posted :eek:
And thanks, Shane! I'm only just making my first stumbling steps in the world of writing so comments like that are music to my ears. See, I just want encouragement really, none of this honesty stuff :):p

I'll have to watch it or I'll be getting a slap *ducks head in anticipation*
 
Perhaps you could use Interstellar Survey Association (ISA) or Interstellar Survey Group (ISG). All the cool acronyms are usually three letters anyway =P

And don't feel bad, I'm just starting out as well.
 
Actually that's not a bad idea; IS is a bit of an odd looking acronym on its own. Looks like I forgot to take my finger off the shift key or something.
 
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