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garion77

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Guys, I had to throw this theory out there...

I touched on it in my "Jaime Sword Hand" thread.

Jaime gave Briene his Valyrian Sword correct? Now he found Briene or Briene found him. My theory is Theros or someone is going to give Jaime his sword hand back and Jaime will kill UnGregor in single combat that will be the doom of Cersei.

But I got another theory... What if Jaime make Briene a Kingsguard since there is a few openings because a few were killed or discredited. And if GRRM set it up where Margaery champion must fight Cersei's, could Margaery choose Briene?

And this is the catch... Don't Valyrian steel kill the undead? From what I am guessing it will take someone with a Valyrian sword to kill UnGregor. A normal sword won't do the job. And so happens Briene has one... Only a small few people have those swords.

And we all know Briene wanted to be a rainbow knight... And we all know how she feel about Jaime. And I can see her serving under Jaime in the Knightsguard. Jaime is trying to bring the knightsguard back to glory and I can't think of a better knight to start with then Briene...

You have Jaime, Briene, Loras and that's a good start for rebuilding the knightsguard.
 
garion77 said:
Guys, I had to throw this theory out there...

I touched on it in my "Jaime Sword Hand" thread.

Jaime gave Briene his Valyrian Sword correct? Now he found Briene or Briene found him. My theory is Theros or someone is going to give Jaime his sword hand back and Jaime will kill UnGregor in single combat that will be the doom of Cersei.

But I got another theory... What if Jaime make Briene a Kingsguard since there is a few openings because a few were killed or discredited. And if GRRM set it up where Margaery champion must fight Cersei's, could Margaery choose Briene?

And this is the catch... Don't Valyrian steel kill the undead? From what I am guessing it will take someone with a Valyrian sword to kill UnGregor. A normal sword won't do the job. And so happens Briene has one... Only a small few people have those swords.

And we all know Briene wanted to be a rainbow knight... And we all know how she feel about Jaime. And I can see her serving under Jaime in the Knightsguard. Jaime is trying to bring the knightsguard back to glory and I can't think of a better knight to start with then Briene...

You have Jaime, Briene, Loras and that's a good start for rebuilding the knightsguard.
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It's been a while since I read Feast so forgive any glaring points I might have forgotten.

Are you saying that Thoros will reanimate Jaime's hand and make him good as new? I really doubt that, as much of the character development that Jaime has gone through since losing his hand would be negated, or made irrelevant in any case. I'm not saying that if he got his hand back that he'd all of a sudden revert back to the vain, arrogant, Cersei-******* knight he was, but that there would have been no point in him losing the hand in the first place.

Why would Jaime fight UnGregor? From what I remember he more or less despises Cersei now, but why would he be fighting against her in her trial? It's been a while so maybe I'm missing something.

I can't see Brianne becoming a knight of the Kingsguard, as shes sworn to Catelyn, and wouldn't serve the Lannisters anyway (though if anyone were to sway her allegiance it would probably be Jaime).

As far as I remember, the only mention of zombie slaying in Westeros is in regard to the Others, and its dragon glass, or obsidian that kills them. Valyrian steel definitely has unique properties, but I don't know that it extends further than 'being of the highest quality metal'. There's probably been mention of it having magical properties, but outside of lore I don't know.
 
Brienne would certainly never be a member of the Lannister Kingsguard, but I could certainly see her being on the Kingsguard if a Targ is on the throne, especially if Dany were the queen.

I do agree about Jaime's hand, though. I think it's gone for good.
 
My money's on Lancel to be the one who represents The Faith and square off against UnGregor (champion for Cersei) *and* (if he survives) Loras (champion for Marge).
 
mtzGr said:
It's been a while since I read Feast so forgive any glaring points I might have forgotten.

Are you saying that Thoros will reanimate Jaime's hand and make him good as new? I really doubt that, as much of the character development that Jaime has gone through since losing his hand would be negated, or made irrelevant in any case. I'm not saying that if he got his hand back that he'd all of a sudden revert back to the vain, arrogant, Cersei-******* knight he was, but that there would have been no point in him losing the hand in the first place.

Why would Jaime fight UnGregor? From what I remember he more or less despises Cersei now, but why would he be fighting against her in her trial? It's been a while so maybe I'm missing something.

I can't see Brianne becoming a knight of the Kingsguard, as shes sworn to Catelyn, and wouldn't serve the Lannisters anyway (though if anyone were to sway her allegiance it would probably be Jaime).

As far as I remember, the only mention of zombie slaying in Westeros is in regard to the Others, and its dragon glass, or obsidian that kills them. Valyrian steel definitely has unique properties, but I don't know that it extends further than 'being of the highest quality metal'. There's probably been mention of it having magical properties, but outside of lore I don't know.
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Valyrian steel do kill the undead... If you remember, Jon Snow mention about how impossible it would be trying to convince all the lords to give up their Valyrian swords to fight the Others. Dragon Steel (Valyrian) is more effective then dragon glass, because dragon glass shatters. Valyrian steel is more durable.

And for all those who say Briene wouldn't serve a Lannister... She serving a Lannister now... Don't forget, Jaime gave her the mission to fine the Starks kids, not Cat... Briene mission from Cat was to get Jaime to KL. And she did that. Now she serves Jaime who is a Lannister.

I think the Valyrian sword Oath Keeper Jaime gave Briene is very important. GRRM made extra effort to make that sword unique from all the rest by giving it a red ting...

I think Briene will take down unGregor...
 
It is said that Valyrian steel (aka dragon steel) is effective against the Others, but I'm not sure they are undead. The wights are, of course, but I can't remember if Valryian Steel or Dragonglass affect them - for some reason I think that it's only fire.

In any case all undead aren't the same. We've seen at least two types of resurrected person so far. It's interesting to think that whatshisname may be using some knowledge from The Others (or the Rhllorites) to resurrect and control Gregor but it could equally be something different altogether.
 
I don't recall that she's actually in Jaime's service, but I might be wrong. What I recall is that Jaime gave her the sword to send her back out on the mission that Catelyn originally gave her....which was to find Sansa.

Also, I said Brienne would not (in my opinion) serve a Lannister *Kingsguard* (Joffrey, Tommen, anything to do with Cersei, etc) but not that she would have nothing to do with any Lannister ever. In fact I think Brienne would join any Kingsguard if she were asked, but I don't think Cersei would accept a woman on the Kingsguard.
 
juleska said:
I don't recall that she's actually in Jaime's service, but I might be wrong. What I recall is that Jaime gave her the sword to send her back out on the mission that Catelyn originally gave her....which was to find Sansa.

Also, I said Brienne would not (in my opinion) serve a Lannister *Kingsguard* (Joffrey, Tommen, anything to do with Cersei, etc) but not that she would have nothing to do with any Lannister ever. In fact I think Brienne would join any Kingsguard if she were asked, but I don't think Cersei would accept a woman on the Kingsguard.
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Her last mission was given to her by Jaime. Jaime is the one who really promised Cat to bring her children back. So Jaime is in debt to Cat and I think that debt will play out in the next book. I think that's why Brienne disappeared with Jaime in the last book.

Other than joining the Kingsguard, I can't see what else there is for Brienne. I hope she get her wish to become a real knight... Which in my eyes, she is more knight than most but just not in name.
 
interesting Theory.

As it has been stated, it wasn't Gragon Glass or Dragon Steel that kills undead, but fire. (although as has been discussed, there are apparently different types of Undead)

I still think that the Hound will be the one to kill Ungregor, and if he needs to use Fire, that would be even more poetic. Overcoming his fear of fire to use it against Frakengregor. Not sure if Brienne would ever joing the Kingsguard but if she does, it would be under the rule of either Margeary or Dany, definately not Cersei.
 
ArstenWhitebeard said:
interesting Theory.

As it has been stated, it wasn't Gragon Glass or Dragon Steel that kills undead, but fire. (although as has been discussed, there are apparently different types of Undead)

I still think that the Hound will be the one to kill Ungregor, and if he needs to use Fire, that would be even more poetic. Overcoming his fear of fire to use it against Frakengregor. Not sure if Brienne would ever joing the Kingsguard but if she does, it would be under the rule of either Margeary or Dany, definately not Cersei.
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I agree. It will not be under the rule of Cersei for sure. But in reality, it will be under the rule of Jaime. It would be fitting for Brienne to serve under Jaime since we know she is deeply in love with him.

I think Brienne deserve to finally get to guard her a king or queen...lol

About hound killing unGregor, not sure... It's different kinds of undead... Cat/Beric undead... The mindless undead... And the Others... The only thing we know work against them all is dragon fire... Not just plain fire... And I would imagine dragon steel (Valyrian steel) would work against them all.

We know dragon glass wouldn't work against armored undead. And I think the Others is armored and wield steel weapons. So dragon glass is useless... Valyrian steel is the only human weapons other than magic that could stand against the Others. And in GRRM interview, he already stated he will use very limited magic in his books. He said victories or defeat will be determined by mortal means, not magic spells. That's why he didn't let Mel come with Stannis when he attacked KL...

GRRM said in his interview that he will not allow some powerful spell or huge fire breathing dragons to win the day. He said his stories is about the people and not magic or powerful dragons and Gods.

Just listening to the interview, I knew GRRM was going to let the NW defeat the Others. It won't be Dany and her dragons. It will be the NW...
 
That's interesting to hear about his interview, definitely changes our assumptions about how things are going to go down at the Wall.

So with that in mind, how's THIS for a crackpot theory:

Dany marries Little Aegon and jointly they rule the Iron Throne. Jon marries Arya and jointly they become the King and Queen of the North.

After the Others die, of course.
 
juleska said:
That's interesting to hear about his interview, definitely changes our assumptions about how things are going to go down at the Wall.

So with that in mind, how's THIS for a crackpot theory:

Dany marries Little Aegon and jointly they rule the Iron Throne. Jon marries Arya and jointly they become the King and Queen of the North.

After the Others die, of course.[

I can see Dany and Aegon marrying but not Jon and Arya. They love each other too strongly as siblings. The love between the Stark siblings are much stronger than most houses.

And the North would never accept marriage between brother and sister. Only Targayens get away with that... Not even Lannisters. And the Starks are more honor bound than them all...

What I love about GRRM books is he do make it about the people. He use very limited magic and it isn't anyone too power to fall at anytime. That's why he made the dragons small... He didn't want Dany riding around burning her enemies to ash. She have to win her battles like everyone else.

Check out GRRM interview and he takes you into his mind. He explains how he will not make magic or dragons the determining factors in battle. Like I said, prime example is Stannis assault on KL and his battle up north. No Mel...

I hate to admit it but when I first start reading his books I was looking for magic to win the day because I was use to that in fantasy books. But now it irritate me when authors take the easy way out and let some magic spell win the day... Since GRRM, its hard for me to read other fantasy books anymore.

I realized I don't miss the magic and Gods and powerful creatures....

I realized how much more enjoyable a story can be when it focus on the characters...
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Well my theory only works if Jon is not Arya's brother, and I don't believe he is. :D
 
juleska said:
That's interesting to hear about his interview, definitely changes our assumptions about how things are going to go down at the Wall.

So with that in mind, how's THIS for a crackpot theory:

Dany marries Little Aegon and jointly they rule the Iron Throne. Jon marries Arya and jointly they become the King and Queen of the North.

After the Others die, of course.
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juleska said:
Well my theory only works if Jon is not Arya's brother, and I don't believe he is. :D
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Sorry Jule, I can't buy into this one! Dany and Aegon, yea maybe, even probably. But Jon and Arya are brother and sister. I am convinced they are not really brother and sister but finding that out will not change the fact that they are! A confusing sentence I know but I hope you see my meaning! :eek:
 
Just for the record I'm only spit-balling, I'm really not invested in the idea at all. I do think the bond between Jon & Arya is very special but I don't think it would go to that level. Ultimately if garion's interpretation of GRRM's interview responses is correct, I think it means that Jon will continue to command the Night's Watch (once we get over this little "bump" in the road of them "killing" him and him "breaking his vows" and all that).

Despite Robb's decree, Jon will never rule Winterfell. Everything in Jon's story has been pulling him away from Winterfell since the first time we met him. Winterfell may be the home he loves, but it's not where he is supposed to be. He serves a greater purpose in the story and ultimately I think his exceptional powers and personal abilities make him the only human in the story capable of fighting The Others and winning.
 
juleska said:
Just for the record I'm only spit-balling, I'm really not invested in the idea at all. I do think the bond between Jon & Arya is very special but I don't think it would go to that level. Ultimately if garion's interpretation of GRRM's interview responses is correct, I think it means that Jon will continue to command the Night's Watch (once we get over this little "bump" in the road of them "killing" him and him "breaking his vows" and all that).

Despite Robb's decree, Jon will never rule Winterfell. Everything in Jon's story has been pulling him away from Winterfell since the first time we met him. Winterfell may be the home he loves, but it's not where he is supposed to be. He serves a greater purpose in the story and ultimately I think his exceptional powers and personal abilities make him the only human in the story capable of fighting The Others and winning.
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I agree with this 100%... We can all look to the skies for superman or woman, but at the end of the day, a group of ragtag murderers and thieves will save the day.

If it was meant for someone else other than the NW to defeat the Others, they would have came a few books back. I understand Stannis coming because he needed to bring Mel. And Mel is needed to send Jon on the right track.

But the NW will stop the Others because that's their purpose in the story.

The NW is like a tow bridge. People are paying to cross it but don't know why... Over the years they forgot that they only suppose to pay that tow for 10 years to pay for construction of the bridge. But here it is 30 years later and they are still paying a tow on the bridge because they don't remember the original purpose of the tow.

GRRM take real world situations and put them in a fantasy world. I love that guy...
 
juleska said:
My money's on Lancel to be the one who represents The Faith and square off against UnGregor (champion for Cersei) *and* (if he survives) Loras (champion for Marge).
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Marge didn't ask for a trial by combat but by Faith. So no need for Loras to do some sword-fighting.:p
 
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