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I used to work with someone who lived in Putney. They said that every so often, the Royal Horse Artillery would come through - starting somewhere up on the common. All the horses and guns in a long column, heading into the centre of London. The column would stretch from the top of Putney Hill down to the Thames, don't even think of trying to overtake......
I saw the musical ride at Earl's Court a long while back - the TV does not give you the feel of all those wheels and hooves thundering past and the vibration through the ground. Incidentally, what breed of horses are those? They are not Shires and Clydesdales.
 
As far as I know, they're no specific breed, just a type. They tend to look for black or very dark brown horses of a light draught build, so I'd guess Cleveland Bay, Irish Draught, etc or crosses between heavier breeds (e.g. Shires) and lighter breeds (e.g. Thoroughbreds). They're essentially carriage horses, but most of those specific carriage-driving breeds are dying out due to the lack of carriages these days, so crosses are probably more common than they once were.
 
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Racehorses are not just flat racers. Hurdlers and steeplechasers and point-to-pointers are all racehorses that jump. Two of ours are retired jumpers.
As a rule, flat racers start younger (2-3yrs) and finish younger. Jumpers start a bit later, when their joints are more mature, and can go on for years. They’re also bigger on average than flat racers.
This is a totally different discipline to eventing.
Aha, I see the disconnect! When I use the term hunter/jumper, I was referring to show jumping, which is part of the event training. I wasn't thinking (even though @Montero clearly asked it!) about the steeplechase side. The things which happen when you Chron while sleep deprived... My apologies for the confusion.

OK, reading Dick Francis novels which are mostly set in the UK (former champion jump jockey authoring horse racing based thrillers) the jumpers doing races and three day eventers/show jumpers seem to be in totally different worlds.
Yes, this is correct. For some reason, in my sleep deprived state, I wasn't thinking of steeplechase type jumping, but rather show jumping. Apologies for the confusion.

Maybe tonight I can get some proper sleep...
 
Shires and Clydesdales can gallop and even jump, but their very upright confirmation (the way their joints line up in the legs, sort-of) is designed for pulling, and leaves them vulnerable to joint disease from repeated impact of the hooves with the ground. Thoroughbreds and other athletic breeds, have springier joints in their limbs which, absorb the impact and helps them run and jump better — but they couldn’t pull the skin off a rice pudding, never mind haul a dray. Imagine a Sumo wrestler trying to hurdle, vs a sprinter trying to do the shot-put.

I was recently reading a fantasy book in which a heavy fantasy species rode on a cart horse (and an even heavier one on an aurochs). But with the upright conformation, would that actually work? As in the horse is chunkier, but designed for pulling not being sat on?
 
I was recently reading a fantasy book in which a heavy fantasy species rode on a cart horse (and an even heavier one on an aurochs). But with the upright conformation, would that actually work? As in the horse is chunkier, but designed for pulling not being sat on?
I believe the Shire horse was used (or is descended from horses used) for carrying heavily armoured knights, and often their own horse armour as well, so I think a 'cart' horse would also be suitable for carrying a heavy load.
 
Yep. What @Vertigo said. They're fine for carrying or pulling heavy weights, just not built for speed and agility.

Heavier riders tend to try to find heavier horses to carry them in the belief that they'll do less harm to a heavy horse, but there's more to it than a simple weight-for-weight comparison. Many heavy horses are just heavy in the body, with legs too finely-built in relation to the weight they carry, whereas a horse such as a Shire has massive tree trunk legs that can easily carry a heavy human (with or without armour) in addition to their own fat bellies. As always, it's a compromise between weight-carrying ability vs agility in battle, stamina, speed, etc.

Back in the day, my uncles were all miners who handled pit-ponies. Those wee critters hauled heavy loads and often carried grown men on their backs. However, in those days humans weren't, as a rule, so careful of the feelings of their beasts of burden. They might have been aware of the financial cost of a lame or sore pony, but there'd have been little empathy for the pony's feelings. Think of how they treated their fellow human beings in the slave-trading years and it's easy to see that the concept of cruelty to animals would have been something they'd have laughed off.

In modern times, the swing is perhaps too far in the opposite direction. There's nothing wrong with, say, a full-sized adult riding a pony (within reason), as long as the pony isn't being asked to go fast, jump, or cover difficult terrain. Heavier riders often come under fire for riding at all, however carefully they choose their mount. There's also a big difference between a good, experienced rider, who balances well and moves smoothly with the horse's movements and an bad or inexperienced rider who rides like a sack of potatoes, bouncing around on the horse's back and losing their balance.
 
If a horse has been carrying a rider all day (including rests etc), is it more likely that the horse would sleep standing up or lying down?
 
It will depend on how safe the horse feels rather than how tired it is. They're prey animals, so they'll only lie down if they feel safe from predators. If you see a herd of horses in any field, you'll often see all but one lying down. The one standing is still sleeping, but on the alert for danger so the others can sleep.

Horses have a mechanism in their stifle joint (the knee-like joint that sits high up on the hind leg, close to the belly) that allows them to lock the joint, so they can stand with very little effort and sleep quite happily like that. We have one horse who very rarely lies down at all (he's a nervy sort of fella) and have had several who flop over and snore at the least provocation. I'd say that after a long journey, and finding themselves in an unfamiliar place, most horses would sleep standing. If the long journey has carried them to their own stable, or a nice safe place, they would probably lie down to sleep.
 
Thanks very much, Kerry. It's a sort of magical ghost-horse that's not afraid of much, so I reckon it would feel confident lying down. Cheers!
That might work quite well. None horsey folks will read nothing into it, but horsey people will be thinking what a cool customer the ghost horse is!
 
I adore horses but they get badly misrepresented in films. They will often show them running at full tilt for miles, then just stop and carry on as normal. Horses going at a full gallop is like us sprinting. Can't be sustained for a long period of time. They're endurance animals.
 
A quick internet search for "horse sleeping lying down" gives several response. It seems that lying down is a normal occurrence for a horse. Why Does a Horse Lie Down? – The Horse
Its not good for horses to be lying down for too long, puts too much pressure on their circulatory system. They will lie down but only if they have to, and for a short period
 
Overacting?
Might want to find some YouTube videos of horse people driving carriages at speed and see if they do it.

If you were to say "urged the horses to greater speed" that would cover a multitude of actions.
 
Quote from my mate:

“Emm as far as i am aware there isnt a proper name for it! Infact, I have a bit of a hate for it, as its sending mixed queues to the horses! A jab in the mouth and then a whack on the bum! Do they go or not go??”

So it doesn’t seem to be something real drivers approve of!
 
I watched some world championship carriage driving videos (off I went down the rabbit hole) and they were all very high brow and there was not a rein flick in site. The drivers carried whips but I never saw them being used. Presumably voice is the main driver. Then saw some American "chuckwagon" racing - definitely not high brow - where there were almost no whips in site but the reins were all constantly being flicked onto the horses, and the whole thing seemed more of a melee than a race, so go figure!
 

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