Summer, Meera, Jojen, Hodor, Hodor

[Eulalia]

Speculations welcome.

What do you think will happen with Meera, Jojen, Hodor and Summer? Will they stay with Bran or go south, (or I suppose even north with Coldhands)? Will they have important quests, and if so, what may they be?

Will Summer pair up with Sansa, as Needle hopes?

Any dragons involoved?

 

[The Imp]

Speculations welcome.

What do you think will happen with Meera, Jojen, Hodor and Summer? Will they stay with Bran or go south, (or I suppose even north with Coldhands)? Will they have important quests, and if so, what may they be?

Will Summer pair up with Sansa, as Needle hopes?

Any dragons involoved?

I don't have a real good sense of where GRRM is going with that little corner of the story. I guess a lot of what happens in the future will depend on whether or not Bran remains in the cave and takes on the role of the 3 Eyed Crow aka Bloodraven aka Brynden Rivers. If Bran does stay then he COULD use Summer as a way of travelling in a faster body than Hodor's (when needed) and/or continue to use/abuse Hodor by taking over his body and mind. Actually, if bran leaves both of those would still apply, so i suppose that Bran, Summer and Hodor will remain together. I don't see Summer becoming Sansa's wolf (Sorry Needle).

Jojen seemed spiritually sick when we last saw him. As i remember it, he wasn't eating and seemed very depressed. I could see Meera Forcing him to leave the cave before he was no longer able to. There's also the question of Howland Reed, who i think still has a part to play in all of this, if for no other reason just being able to tell the true tale of what led up to the Tower of Joy.

I do think this though- Bran is going to be the "one ring that binds then all. I think he will end up being the most magically powerful of the Stark kids.

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

I do think this though- Bran is going to be the "one ring that binds then all. I think he will end up being the most magically powerful of the Stark kids.

Without a doubt, Bran will be the most magically powerful of the Stark.

As for Jojen and Meera, I think they'll return south sooner or later. Hodor will go with them and Bran will continue to use him when necessary.

Summer stays with Bran.

Howland Reed will definitely be important part of the remainder of story. I don't think that anybody pays much attention to him and that makes him in a very good position. (Nobody used to pay attention to Littlefinger and look what happened.) He is the last one who knows the truth about the Tower of Joy. He'll either enter the game as an important piece of someone or a player who offers the ultimate answers. I lean towards the later.

 

[juleska]

Summer better stay with Bran. I'm sick and tired of these Stark kids getting separated from their wolves, dammit. LOL

Jojen will die. Meera....don't know what will happen with Meera. Maybe she'll be the first woman to join the Night's Watch. I would love it if Hodor got to return to Winterfell but I don't know.....all the people he knew and loved, including Old Nan, are gone. It probably wouldn't be a happy return for him. Maybe he will stay with Bran, too.

 

[Needle]

This is a hard one! So many what if's and will he's.

I suppose it really all depends on whether or not Bran becomes the next three-eyed-crow. This is not certain. I still feel there is a connection between the Old Gods and the Others. If this turns out to be true, all bets are off!

I think Jojen will soon say "This is the day that I die."

Meera, I just don't know, unless she will be needed to bring Howland into the picture, and he will definitely have to be in it as the only one who can tell us for sure about TOJ and Jon's parentage.

Hodor will take to wife one of the Children and Giants and Children shall become one race to rule the far North!

I can't say I actually hope Summer will become Sansa's, just really feeling sorry for the girl I usually refer to as "the potted plant" in the room! I do think it possible though that if Bran becomes "The One Ring" (and I do think he will) he may send him to her at least for the short term. After all when he becomes all that he can become, physical proximity will mean nothing. He and Summer will share a skin always.

 

[juleska]

Actually I don't think we need Howland anymore to tell the story of the TOJ. Since Bran can cruise the past through the eyes of the weirwood trees, there are definitely other ways for that story to be told.

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

Actually I don't think we need Howland anymore to tell the story of the TOJ. Since Bran can cruise the past through the eyes of the weirwood trees, there are definitely other ways for that story to be told.

Well, Bran's talent is still quite unstable and there aren't that many weirwood trees in the south. :/

 

[juleska]

I would say it is somewhat unstable, but improving. It doesn't need to be a weirwood tree in the South either. Could be someone told the tale to a heart tree in the North.

 

[Eulalia]

I just tried an experiment in reverse engineering (plotting). So I suppose the companions were chosen to enable Bran to get to his tree and that he could then become a superwarg tree communicator. Hodor(who conveniently doesn't talk much) was probably created to carry Bran, who wouldn't mind being a tree being so much since he is paralyzed. Summer and Meera help keep them alive. Jojen gives Bran green dreams 101.

Now that Bran is achieving his mage/druid like destiny he may get the opportunity to do some knight activities through Hodor. But the other crew seem like they will wrap up, maybe going to Jon and expanding on the use of the weirwoods, and later supporting Sansa or Rickon. Maybe the Reeds will take the story to Howland.

I suppose there could be a wolf share program for Sansa!

As far as reverse engineering, and Stark's, Bran has his mystical destiny. Arya is becoming an assassin. Robb was a warrior.Sansa may become a queen. Rickon may be the continuation of the Stark line. And Jon may stay alive and continue being the Commandar of the NW or he may be replaced, as he has "died" and mutined against, and may have another role.

 

[Fungous]

I wonder a couple things as I read this:

1). Why is there this assumption that Bran will remain up North after his training? His invasions into Hodor are generally frowned upon in the world of people so I would assume that later in his training that will be covered and so his invasions into poor Hodor will soon be likely less frequent unless he can somehow help Hodor become not an idiot. The two ARE intertwined but I find this long distance Bran control unlikely, and tbh not beneficial to the cause. The two of them staying together seems best, I don't want to call Hodor his steed so you can draw the comparison with Master Blaster from Mad Max. Blaster was literally just a hulking brute, but with Master they were something special, for a good while.

2). I can see why people would assume Jojen is dying, the clues are all there, although it sucks. I tend to have a nagging thought that his death serves no purpose... Why kill off one of the few green-seers? It's not surprising, it's not shocking. I dunno, I just don't want it to happen, I'd rather see Jojen become something like a hand or council for Bran and his upcoming magical role in the fight against the Wights and he who they serve.

3). Ummm, Bran is into Meera. He is going to be loath to let her go and possibly become a wight. In the end the concept of a marriage there shouldn't be forgone as the North benefits greatly from the "Frogmen" and their stranglehold on the Neck. This leaves Rickon open to marry whoever he wants to tie together Winterfell to the South or to the new Northern Wildings?

4). I feel like a negative nancy here but I don't see the Wolf sharing program happening. Faceless Arya is a continent away and bonding tightly with her Wolf much closer to Sansa and I don't think anyone sees that breaking. No, the wolves are tied to their children... It is known. Lady died as a symbol of the death of Sansa's childhood and innocence, I almost dare-say her Starkness... she takes after her mother. Hence, no wolf, and Littlefinger doing everything he can to never let her go. I think there will be a showdown there, whether she acts as a Tully or a Stark there remains to be seen.

 

[Keebs411]

Its been awhile since i did a reread, but jojen does refer a lil bit as to when he is going to die, or at least around when and that he cant fight his fate. He knows when and how. Now i also remember Hordor freaking out when Bran wargs into him but eventually caves and gives Bran control. Being Bran the reed children and Hordor are all kinda stuck underground for the time being im curious to think maybe Hordor kills Jojen by accident? Perhaps when Bran tries to take over him one to many times and in an attempt to try and fight back and push Bran out Hordor accidenlt kills Jojen? The gentle giant not knowing his own shtenght like a bull in a china shop/ glass house? Might be stretching it but the thought just randomly came to me

 

[Eulalia]

Yes, I think the wolf share program is out there. However, we have never had the rule that two wargs can't share the same creature, right?? Good point that there is often bonding involved, however, some examples show that there is not, or that there can be antipathy (Varamyr). I don't think that seeing that idea as improbable is negative.

If Sansa does have many Tully traits, she very much might have a streak of steel and vengefulness, like Catelyn. Hoster and the Black Fish are no pushovers. Edmure...well, we'll see.

Hodor accidentally killing Jojen is possible. Especially if you consider Wun Wun's actions. Hodor's death might change things for Bran...It would also be tragic.

It could be important to the story that Hodor was scared about being warged into, and will adjust to it. I'm not saying I don't like gentle Hodor as a character, but I do think his invention was probably as a "steed" for Bran. That is not how real life works, (and how we may believe passionately in certain unalienable rights) the but in writing, I suppose, every character is also a vehicle to some extent, and they are not created equally. I suppose the idea of Bran/Hodor swinging a Claymore is too tempting an image to give up on as yet. I guess I don't believe that Bran would just snatch Hodor's body, permanently, either.

I don't know what will happen with Meera. But her fate does seem like a loose end now. I never considered marriage with Bran! If Meera decided leave the cave in order to fulfill some task, I don't think Bran could stop her. In fact, Bran might want to go and warn, help or save someone that he loves. Someone also needs to tell the people south of the wall what has become of Bran and the tree network.

 

[Fungous]

I don't know what will happen with Meera. But her fate does seem like a loose end now. I never considered marriage with Bran! If Meera decided leave the cave in order to fulfill some task, I don't think Bran could stop her. In fact, Bran might want to go and warn, help or save someone that he loves. Someone also needs to tell the people south of the wall what has become of Bran and the tree network.

Quick thought... Six skins is still out there with Summer in this so called pack thingie. If Meera does leave, Bran will certainly try and protect her but, the wights are right outside the glyphed door. If they try and leave, it is plausible that despite their protections they can either be attacked by wights or... by six skins. This could be a terrible way for Jojen to die and for the remaining to run back to the cave while Bran kills six skins and/or wights AND is a training opportunity for Bran AS WELL AS an opportunity for us to figure out what the deal is with Coldhands and if there are others like him.

Others like him, means that Bran has an Army. Which means that all of them can go back south together when and if the Wall falls and the wights are let loose on the north. (Enter the Iron Islands for that debacle...).

Sorry, lots of speculation there.

 

[Needle]

I don't know what will happen with Meera. But her fate does seem like a loose end now. I never considered marriage with Bran! If Meera decided leave the cave in order to fulfill some task, I don't think Bran could stop her. In fact, Bran might want to go and warn, help or save someone that he loves. Someone also needs to tell the people south of the wall what has become of Bran and the tree network.

Eulalia, I totally agree that Meera will most likely be used as a messenger, either to her father or others. Mainly because even though Bran will be connected to most of the realm, he is connected to things that cannot speak, trees-animals. He is able to "speak' somewhat through the trees ex: Theon, but this will not be enough. Someone needs to tell them to listen and that Bran can hear them. Bran should also be able to communicate through dreams but will they listen? maybe, maybe not. How Meeera will get out of the cave is a whole nother question though.

 

[Eulalia]

I suppose that Meera could break out with Hodor/Bran swinging a weirwood branch, Jojen, Summer, Coldhands, a few elk, and a company of Children. Coldhands could divert the wights. Six skins, no idea.

Bran could get much better at talking through other peoples dreams.

Or, there is a back door to the cave!

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

Or, there is a back door to the cave!

I think you are on to something. Remember that the caves aren't fully explored and we have another set of caves where Jon and Ygritte were when she says that it is possible, difficult, but possible to go underneath the wall completely.

 

[Eulalia]

Just read "there is a back door, three leagues north, down a sinkhole".

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

The two of them staying together seems best, I don't want to call Hodor his steed so you can draw the comparison with Master Blaster from Mad Max. Blaster was literally just a hulking brute, but with Master they were something special, for a good while.

Excellent reference.

I think Jojen's time in the series is about up, but I hope hea is able to impart some final wisdom or help in some significant way before it all ends for him. I would't be surprised if nothing like that happens though.

Hopefully Meera (and Hodor) will go back to the wall and fill (Un?)Jon in on what's been going on. Maybe Jojen will survive that journey but allot of ground work has been laid for Jojen to say "today is the day I die"

As for Bran, I hope he stays in the tree. as far as writing goes, Bran could be an amazing tool for GRRM to pull the story back together. Due to Brans ability to see the Past and Future (but more importantly the Past) we can see how things tied together and get some answers, like what happened to Benjen (and is he really coldhands). Through Bran we could also get some insight into other, non-pov characters.

 

[Fungous]

Just read "there is a back door, three leagues north, down a sinkhole".

I was actually going to bring this up, thinking that in the excitement of that scene, people missed that little tidbit. But, knowing as little as we do, there is a possibility of a third entrance somewhere. It's even possible that a branch could lead far under the wall and open on the other side due to the protection runes right?

I really want Jojen to make it out of there so I'm going to keep hope alive!

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

I was actually going to bring this up, thinking that in the excitement of that scene, people missed that little tidbit. But, knowing as little as we do, there is a possibility of a third entrance somewhere. It's even possible that a branch could lead far under the wall and open on the other side due to the protection runes right?

I really want Jojen to make it out of there so I'm going to keep hope alive!

We know there are tunnels under the wall so... Maybe. But if so, why didn't Coldhands lead them through tunnels all the way there? Maybe they needed to be able to catch food?

either way, I hope Jojen's death serves a purpose but I do think he is going to live through the series. Though maybe he will... He knows the day he will die, but we don't. He might die at the ripe old age of 86, who knows.