A MEMORY OF LIGHT: Spoiler Thread

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If you've FINISHED reading A Memory of Light, the last book of The Wheel of Time, this is the place to post. If you haven't...


STOP READING THIS THREAD NOW!!!!

No sympathy for people complaining of spoilers if they read beyond this first post.

 
Going well so far, not going to let loose any spoilers just yet - I'm not sure whether I have any! There is one but it might have been mentioned in a previous book and I missed it.

It seems strange to be reading a full sized, solid book after reading e-books for the last year. The Prologue is a 70 odd page scene setter, and then the book kicks off.

Nothing much so far, but it certainly a cracking start
 
just finished it moments ago

only book that has ever brought me literal tears of joy


Ahhhhh! Now if there was anything that was going to make me wish I had more time to read/read faster this was it!

It's one of those weird things, this is a book I want to rush through to finish, but at tge same time want to drag it out as long as possible because this is the end!
 
I am still at towers of midnight. Need to finish this book before I can move on to memory of light. Argg!!!
 
I just finished it a short while ago.

To be honest, I do not know what to make of it. Yes, it was certainly a good ending, of sorts, as could be expected of this grand saga. However, I find that final chapters are hard to judge right away, particularly when they concern such long anticipated resolutions of plot points in a series one has been attached to for so long.
It is difficult to be satisfied when expectations have been elevated through the roof. It is hard to deliver on this grand scale. I am not sure any book could have quite pulled that off.
All in all, it was a very good book, one of the better in the series, and with no real long, empty passages, as seen in other parts of the series. Any criticism one might aim at it is minor nit picks, as far as I can see at the moment.
 
I just finished it this evening, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. There was a lot of action in it, which almost made up for the lack in earlier books, and I was impressed with the way that some of the storylines were wound up.

I must admit, I did get a little misty-eyed at certain points in the book, too. I think I'd rank A Memory of Light as one of my favourites in the series.
 
Brilliant book. Easily in the top 3 of the entire series for me. But did I miss something with the whole Alivia helping Rand to die bit? Also a bit confused as to why Moiraine and Siuan never had a meeting. I know that's minor but considering their history together and all they went through since the start. I thought that Bashere deserved a better ending aswel.
 
I think the whole Alivia thing was a bit misleading. All that build up, and it seemed like her only part in helping him to die was to procure suitable clothes and enough money for him to disappear and start his new life. It seemed like a lot of the important prophecies and viewings ended up that way, too: His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, for example.

I'd loved to have seen a meeting between Moiraine and Siuan, too, or even Moiraine and Lan. I'm glad they both made it to the end - I really wasn't expecting Lan to have the ending he did. I thought he might be one of the first casualties.

And I agree: there were some fairly glorious exits in this book, but Bashere deserved better, after being such a prominent character for so long.
 
Loved Mats note to Galad btw. "I know you have trouble with quarterstaffs"

Then him and Rand arguing over who did more.
 
Definitely. Mat was great in this book. I loved his exchanges with Tuon, and the letters he sent to Galad. He seemed more like the Mat of old.

I don't think there was a character I disliked - they all had their moments of glory. The main characters, at least. And it was great to see Noal again. That moment made me misty-eyed.:) Birgitte, too. Poor Rhuarc, though.

The one thing I wasn't keen on was the lack of resolution for some of the minor characters. I know that the last time we see them, they're alive, but we never hear from them again after that (for example, Narishma and the like). A minor quibble for a really good book, though.
 
Some thoughts, feelings, confusions regarding AMoL

I was kind of let down with what I thought was a lack of Aviendha and Min, they didn't see the spotlight too much and when they did I felt it was too short and fruitless.

Also, if I remember correctly, Aviendha only mentions her encounter with Nakomi once and very briefly, and nothing more? really? I thought this was going to be a lot more significant then it turned out to be, but, maybe I'm not reading in between the lines or I just totally missed something.

Did anyone else feel like Padan Fain's role and ending was a tad anticlimactic?

Personally, I felt it was cheap that out of all the Two Rivers crowd, only Egwene bit the dust.

Thought that Moiraine should have had a little something to say in the epilogue.

I understand after Rand's epiphany atop Dragonmount he was more at terms with himself and his duty, but to completely write off Lews Therin in the back of his mind? Not once was Rand talking to himself, but only mentioning Lews Therin's role up until this book. Again, have I missed something? When did the voice stop communicating with Rand?

Anyone find it incongruous that Rand, riding off in the end, talking about which one of the three women he might end up with, would he still have all three? Really Rand? Have you all ready forgotten you have twins on the way? Are you gonna leave them as bastards?

At the very end we see Rand ride off, lighting his "impossible pipe" by what I am guessing is will power alone. Has he transcended The One Power as well as The True Power for something more god-like?

---I just pumped all this stuff out really quick, so whoever wishes to enlighten me on things I didn't or have forgotten to pick up on throughout the series, feel free to let me know :)
 
Did anyone else feel like Padan Fain's role and ending was a tad anticlimactic?

Personally, I felt it was cheap that out of all the Two Rivers crowd, only Egwene bit the dust.

Thought that Moiraine should have had a little something to say in the epilogue.

At the very end we see Rand ride off, lighting his "impossible pipe" by what I am guessing is will power alone. Has he transcended The One Power as well as The True Power for something more god-like?

Fain - yes, but at least it was Mat which got to deal with it and in a sort of logical way. But his appearance & ending was very sudden and felt tacked on as an afterthought.

I agree re the death toll. I expected it to be a great deal higher than it actually was, especially amongst the core cast of characters. What was most frustrating was that there was ample opportunity to kill off characters like Talmanes, Perrin & Lan at various points in the story, only for miraculous aid to suddenly be received. Even the Elayne moment (which admittedly would have been disturbingly dark if followed through) felt like emotional manipulation when you knew there was no way the author would go through with it.

The Rand thing made very little sense. Jordan either cleverly diverted expectactions or turned the whole thing into "And they all lived happily ever after" fairytale. I'm still not sure what to think about it.

Anyway, time for the 'winners & losers' at least as I see it - happy for anyone else's thoughts!

Winners:
The Seanchan. Not only did they seem to absorb the least casulaties from the Armies of Light, the netted one of the only Foresaken left alive as a prisoner. They have the premier general of any age as their commander in chief and look to be in very good shape for the ALB world.
Tuon seems as fanatical & demanding as ever and quite frankly I doubt she could be reasonably expected to keep "The Dragon's Peace" for more than a decade or two.

Rand. He won and lived! And seems to have some sort of god-like powers now. Combined with the fact he's a Blademaster with a very recognisable sword - and appearance - I'm not so sure about this whole "anonymous mercenary" vibe he thinks he will be rocking. Interestingly I wonder if any surviving darkfiends (such as those in the Stedding) will be drawn to him thinking he's still Moiridin? I can't imagine he'll stay out of Aviendha/Min/Elayne's lives all that successfully either.

Lan. He probably should be dead. Instead he has Malkier back and will probably remain the premier figure in the shattered Borderlands who may well unify under his banner, considering the losses they've suffered.

The Black Tower. This is a bit iffy as I'm not at all certain about the sanity of lots of it's members prior to the cleansing of Saiden and Logain was looking pretty dark, even in victory. That said, they have several Aes Sedai bonded to them as Warders who may end up aiding them rather than the White Tower and may be able to forge some relationship with the Seanchan (who don't have the history or equipment to shackle male channellers) that the White Tower cannot, to their advantage.

Losers:

Andor. They seem to have suffered the highest casualty rate of any of the forces at the Last Battle (bar the Borderlanders) and had their capital city razed to the ground with a horrific civilian death toll. They will probably lose Two Rivers as an autonomous region and the Cairhenien plots to destablise her reign there will reignite after a while, assuming any lords remain the challenge her rule there. She can't even be certain the dragons will remain a unique weapon for her forces, as Mat's followers may decamp to the Seanchan.

Aes Sedai. The White Tower lost over 50% of it's active roster and has binding agreements with other channelling bodies (Sea Folk, Wise Ones, Kinswomen) which may well limit recruitment as well as drain their already low resources. They're screwed for generations compared to what they once were, if they ever get there.

Aiel. Again a bit iffy but I can't say they 'won' considering the huge losses they suffered in battle, in spirit (permanent gai'shan, shackled Wise Ones they cannot rescue, "Dark Aiel" etc) and given a thankless task of police force for the whole world. The deaths of so many clan chiefs and other authority figures and the loss of the Dragon Reborn mean that they lack leadership and could fragment.

Borderlands. Kandor & Shienar lost/destroyed, 66%+ casualties, loss of their rulers and infrastructure means that they have the toughest post-ALB rebuilding to do and look least able to get back to anything approaching normality. Also, with the renewal of the Blight their primary cultural focus appears to be gone, although considering the choice Rand took, this will all happen again in a few hundred years!
 
As I pointed out above, it is a good novel, but as others have pointed out, there are a few flaws and things that don't work all that well.


First to Padan Fain. Yes, his ending was really rushed. It got so little attention that it was as if the author didn't want him in there at all. That plot thread just had to be finished, which was the one and only reason it was included. A least it seems a bit like that. His death itself was sort of logical, but due to the lack of building up to that point, I had no connection to it (emotionally or otherwise). It just prevented a loose end.

The lives of the main characters in the post-Tarmon Gai'don world also got a bit too little attention, in my opinion. The series spent so many pages on often the rather pointless inner thoughts of the characters, but the far more interesting question of what fate awaited those who survived (which could be covered by very few pages, in the scope of the series) was answered only to a very low extent.
Shouldn't Rand let Galad have a brother-to-brother meeting, for example? Is it not only fair to give his previous unknowing half-brother (who just lost his other half-brother, no less) that chance? Galad cannot really be faulted for not treating Rand like a brother when he did not know it, earlier, and he has hardly wronged Rand so bad that he didn't deserve one chance. Maybe Rand was intending to meet with him through Elayne, but it is not stated.
What is maybe even stranger is tha Moiraine and Siuan aren't reunited prior to Siuan's death. And they were just about as close as two Aes Sedai friends get, at least once.
Relationship related things aren't treated in a natural way. They never really have been, in this series, but still.

My last objection is that Demandred is yelling again and again for Rand/Lews Therin to come out and face him. I mean, really. Demandred is supposed to be this brilliant strategist, and figuring out where Rand might have gone is not exactly very hard, to put it really mildlt. It is just a bit weird that he is so oblivious, and never even seeming to suspect the truth of Rand's whereabouts (even after countless challenges have gone unanswered), instead believing that Rand must be around his current battlefield. There is a major gap between the simple-mindedness of that and Demandred's brilliance as a battlefield commander.

Finally, as has been mentioned in this review, channelers are as strong as they need to be in this novel (the negative variety, where their powers got reduced compared to the established level). This was almost definitely done to allow non-channelers to matter to a non-trivial extent, but it is worth mentioning that their powers do not seem to be quite in line with what they have been presented as earlier in the series.

These are just a few relatively minor problems, but put together, they prevented the novel from being fantastic, in my opnion. I am sure there are more, if the novel is scrutinized thoroughly, but these are the ones I can see the most clearly at the moment.
 
A Memory of Light?

Okay so I read this book in four days, having taken some annual leave in preparation, and quite frankly I could not put it down. I was quite exhausted afterwards due to the intensity and pace of the book.

I really enjoyed it and I think a big thanks is owed to Brandon Sanderson for finishing off the series well. The WoT series is one of my 'come back to' series when I have nothing else to read and I hold it in high regard . . . . However like many others I have found the meandering sub-plots and sheer waste of pages to be incredibly frustrating and a really really big blemish that cannot be ignored - there are 3 books in the series that shouldn't need to exist and maybe parts of another two that should have been tacked on to other books.

My issues with the finale mostly is the lack of any insight as to how the world pushes on after the Last Battle. Just a chapter dedicated to it would have been enough, if only to make the series feel a little more rounded and finished and allow us the opportunity to see that the battles and meandering sub-plots meant something.

I think the parts involving the Black Tower were brilliant and maybe should have had a little more time given to them, the whole Logain rescue felt a little rushed - Emarin and Androl were to characters I really enjoyed.

Mat orchestrating the battle was amazing and probably the best moment in the whole book is Mat's humorous notes to Galad and others. Mat has long been the best character in the series for me and this book started very slow for him; but boy were some of Mat's passages the best.

Egwene's death was quite emotional and in many ways the most tragic (although she was among my least likable characters in the series) of the series. Out of all the characters, with the exception of Rand, she had the least opportunity to love and enjoy life due to the circumstances she was thrown into. She lost much without ever getting anything in return.

Some other gripes that just spring to mind are what happened to Lord Aglemar? He just disappeared! Why was Bashere's death not written about? Surely that deserved a paragraph or two?

All in all I think Sanderson did well here and that this is a very good book. I will probably do another read through of A Memory of Light and than leave the whole series to rest . . . . It truly is an end for me and I doubt I shall touch it again.
 
I finished this weekend and really enjoyed it.

I thought it a fitting finale to the series and actually enjoyed the fact that there were so many little bits unfinished - or rather, things that you wanted to know. It gave the feeling that the surviving characters went on beyond the end of the books, that their lives continued outside of the printed page and allowing our imaginations to take them where we will.

Although it might have seemed a bit harsh I felt that Egwene's fate was perfect. Yes it was tragic, but it felt the perfect resolution to her arc. Not being killed by the enemy, but sacrificing herself in such a powerful display was a thing of legend, something that will be remembered until the next age and the making of a great Amyrlin Seat.

I also liked the conclusion to Logain, feeling that it was spot on. A man that has had a hard time of it, who has become so scared of being a victim that he might even go too far to make himself strong and safe, learns that all his fears might be unjustified, that the best safety is to be accepted.

Like others I agree about the resolution of the Padan Fain story. It seemed to spring up out of nowhere, then is tied up easily, almost as though it was overlooked and suddenly the writer/editor/publishers realised it needed addressing.

I'll think of countless other things later but that's some of the things that stuck with me most upon completion!
 
I really enjoyed it, but it did have some large flaws.

Unlike the previous two BS books, this one felt a bit more like RJs notes being put onto the page, rather than a full book. The action is relentless but often any introspection or emotion is lacking. As large as it was it could have easily been another two hundred pages.

The lack of any sort of proper epilogue is also very frustrating. We were introduced to scores of minor characters and the fate of most is unknown at the final page.

I think the desire to let RJ have the last word is the issue here. I fully agree that he should have the last section of the epilogue and to end with the mystery of Rand and his pipe is very satisfying, but a proper epilogue visiting every location before that would have been very welcome.
 
I think everyone here summed up my thoughts as well. Fain was an afterthought...Moraine came back with little or no emotion from Lan or Siuan. Perrin finding Faile at the end seemed a little too perfect.

Another thing that was not clear to me was the relationship between Mordin and Rand. There were hints in earlier books that they were connected. I can't remember when but at one point, someone noted that Mordin looked like Rand. Also, Mordin was flexing his hand at one point shortly after Rand had his hand burned off. Then stabbing his own hand made Rand drop Callandor. So how were they connected and why...it made sense that they were somehow and that is how Rand took his body but...it was just unclear.

I did really enjoy it though. The series on a whole had a lot of ups and downs but overall I loved the growth and scope of it. It really did a good job of starting the countdown to the last battle and showing all factions as they prepped for it.

Well done Jordan and Sanderson.
 

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