What about this epic appeals to you?

Yog-Sothoth

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'A Song of Ice and Fire', what is it about this series of books that appeals to you as a reader? Personally, GRRM has written something that resonates deeply with me. I have always been a fan of history, but at the same time yearned for something more fantastic while still rooted in realism.

This epic really gave me that, and then some.
 
Gosh Yog, this is tougher than it should be!

First, I think it's one of very few stories I've ever read that is told from the inside.
From inside each person's head, their view of the world and what is happening in it. Most are narrated from the outside. This feels very different. Related to this is the number and variety of viewpoints. Men, women, even children, from different families and parts of the world, a vastly more complete scope of the entire story than most.

Second, it's presentation of people as they really are, in various shades of gray. With one or two exceptions (they may be different for different readers) no one is black or white, just as real people are rarely anything but gray. Also how situations can change someone from mostly one to more the other.

Plus, throw in a dose of almost history. The world of ASoIaF is very close to our own not so long ago.
 
I am not a huge grrm fan but i did admire his ability to set a hook and keep me reading, and his ability to take odious characters - theon/ jaime - and turn them around. I think he has some characters very well - Jon, Ned, Tyrion - and whilst I can't see me ever returning to the series ( I will happily read the spoilers and find out what happened), I am glad I read the first three (although I have read all to date btw, but wish I had stopped earlier).
 
This is a great topic for discussion.

Before being introduced to aSoIaf and the writings of GRRM my favorite authors were Tolkien, Asimov, Herbert, Stephen King, Heinlein, Clarke, Le Guin, and Lovecraft. GRRM immediately rocketed to the top of that list and remains there for me to this day.

As my list of favorite authors would indicate, i love SF and Fantasy. I've never been much of a history buff though, so my attraction to aSoIaF was a bit surprising to me. Some of the things i find appealing about aSoIaf are-

1- Complex characters that are almost always painted in varying shades of grey, rather than being one dimensional. Every character is flawed, and every character has made mistakes. Some have started out leaning toward evil and have become more good, some vice versa. All are interesting to me, and I deeply care what happens to most of them

2- The story is unpredictable. No one is safe, and GRRM is not afraid to kill off major characters. Having said that, everything is foreshadowed in some way, and almost everything is completely obvious when you do a re-read.

3- GRRM is a great writer and a great story-teller. The only other person that is his equal in that regard is King. I love reading the words he writes, which may sound simplistic, but it's something i can't say about every author I read. I also love the stories he tells.

There are probably things I'm not thinking of, but that covers the basics for me.
 
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Yog, great topic. I could post paragraph after paragraph, but your reasons sum it up for me. Realistic historical fantasy. Emotional connections.

Needle, I do love it how GRRM stays with a character for an entire chapter. Other authors give third person narratives, but it's either for the entire book or paragraph by paragraph. By using the whole chapter approach, GRRM gives us a feel of many separate stories in one book. It also allows him to constantly exploit his penchant for cliffhangers!

I agree about his presentation of characters in shades of gray. After all the fantasy I'd read in the seventies, eighties and nineties, I knew heroes from villains. Tolkien, Lewis, Alexander, McCaffrey, LeGuin, Eddings, Feist, Weis, Hickman, Wurts, McKiernan, Brooks, Howard, Herbert, Stasheff, Burroughs, and others all taught me that heroes were always good and villains were always evil. Of course, there were a few Han Solo rogues out there... but they were rascals with hearts of gold. Mayhaps it was that I was just so young, so naive, and so inexperienced in life that I could not see any real moral quandaries or shades of gray. I could never go back and read the works of those authors without prejudice. I cam to GRRM after knowing the loss of a parent, divorce, death of my pet, being laid off through cutbacks, losing money in the stock market, and more. Sadder, but wiser. I've learned there are two sides to a story... one side may be completely wrong, but usually both sides must share some blame, even if it's one percent.

That's one point where GRRM hooked me. People can say the decisive moments of ASOS were the Red Wedding, Joffrey's Wedding, and Merrett's hanging, but for me it was Jaime's tale to Brienne of the sack of King's Landing. GRRM turned the tables on all of us... The vile kingslaying, incestuous, treacherous, child defenestrating, murderer, Jaime Lannister, turns out to be a national hero whose story has never been told. In fact, he's reviled for his actions that saved tens of thousands of lives.

springs, I know that most people feel AFFC and ADWD have slowed in pace and emotional connection. I'm trusting that GRRM will be able to pull off at least a satisfactory ending after his fantastic start to this story.

Imp, my friend, I agree with you regarding both the complexity of the characters and the unpredictability of the story. One thing that supports the complexity of the characters is the complexity of the tale. When we find out Jon's parentage, whether it's Eddard and Ashara, Rhaegar and Lyanna, Robert and Lyanna, Aerys and Lyanna (my personal theory), or whomever, we'll know that GRRM put that information in AGOT for all to see... We will not find out that Jon is the son of Davos and Cersei. I am convinced that GRRM will not pull the biggest deus ex machina out of thin air to explain the entire story. The story is complex from the beginning... and that makes complex characters.

I don't mean to contradict myself by now agreeing with you that the story is unpredictable when I've just said that the clues are included in the first book. But GRRM constantly dashes hopes of "happily ever after." Bran wanted to be a knight. Jaime looks like a king. Legendary King Robert has no moral fibre. Sansa wants to marry a handsome and powerful knight and to bear him beautiful children. Tyrion wants to be loved. Arya wanted to return to her family. Catelyn wanted only to hold her family together. Robb wanted to avenge his father and rescue his sisters. Eddard wanted to help his friend and protect his family. Viserys wanted everything. Jaime is supposed to be a villain. Stannis is supposed to be righteous. Catelyn is supposed to be dead.

As for my own opinions, I'll tell you what first drew me (and two of my friends) to read AGOT

It was the original US cover art for the Bantam publication of A Game of Thrones. The artist's name is Stephen Youll.

I dislike how the cover art has changed. My guess is that the publisher believes that more people will get into the series if it does have fantasy cover art that makes it look like a Harlequin romance for nerds.

The original art conjured up images and emotions of adventure, hardship, fantasy, and kick-ass rangers all in black. When I saw the cover art, I imaged the text to be something like...

"Into the forest rode Kickassidor. His trusty ebon stallion, Ramrod, was sure footed through the new fallen snow. He knew the bandits were a mile ahead of him because Blackwing, his raven, had seen them and Icejaw, his wolf, had their scent. He wondered if his brother in-arms, Beatdownicus, would catch up before nightfall. No matter, he told himself... my black sword of Doom is all I need to deal with scum."
 
So many things I love about ASOIAF, many which have been said already.

I love the hugeness and complexity of the story. There are so many places, and characters, and you come to enjoy each in their own way. I also love how GRRM asks a little bit more from his readers than other authors. You need to pay attention while your reading, but its so enjoyable that you almost don't even notice you're doing it.

I love the surprises; which after thinking, discussing, and rereading make you think 'Well, I should have seen that coming!'. I love that GRRM always keeps you on your toes regarding characters. After ASOS we know that absolutely NO ONE is safe in these books. It forces you to really worry about a character when they are in a tough situation.

I love the writing. GRRM just has a way with words for me. I have read the series 3 times (ADWD only once though), and even though I know whats coming, I still have great emotion for whats happening in the story, and I still say 'Just one more chapter...'. :)

I love the character development. Pretty much everyone goes through some kind of change, and they are all believable based on the situations they have gone through. For example, at the beginning of the series I really disliked Jaime, but he has grown to become one of my favorite characters simply because we got to experience the change with him. Sansa as well who just wanted the typical princess life, but has become a much deeper character since we met her. (Since I recently finished the Liveship Trader books by Hobb, I have to say Malta and Sansa are similar characters).

I'm sure there is more, but that's what I have for now. :)
 
Great replies, to elaborate some more, I like this epic before any other fantasy because its believable, with many other series I am always left wondering "where is the rest of the world"? Yeah its nice that they have captured some fantastical version of Old Europe, but it feels very isolationist or give me "us against them" vibes, when we know from history that European kings and empires plenty of times had cordial relations and alliances with various parts of the globe.

In ASoIF, this historic reality is showcased in the form of various powerful city-states, kingdoms and formidable steppe empires. The characters at the head of these polities are as interesting, flawed, heroic, ambitious and admirable as their Westerosi counterparts, rather than simple stereotypes. Their presence also doesn't feel forced nor give you the impression that their mere token-characters.

To be continued...
 
3- GRRM is a great writer and a great story-teller. The only other person that is his equal in that regard is King. I love reading the words he writes, which may sound simplistic, but it's something i can't say about every author I read. I also love the stories he tells.

Imp, just wanted to say simplistic or not, I think you nailed the feeling with this comment. I feel the same about GRRM and King. King has written some awesome stories that I have read repeatedly and often, and some I groaned at their badness all the way through and still kept reading, something I never do, don't have time for bad books as a rule! With GRRM, it is a little different but the same. Using AFFC as an example, very disappointed in the beginning. Have now read it 5-6 times and love it more each time. The words seem to flow, we want (need) to see where they take us.
 
3- GRRM is a great writer and a great story-teller. The only other person that is his equal in that regard is King. I love reading the words he writes, which may sound simplistic, but it's something i can't say about every author I read.

Indeed, IMO he is a master wordsmith.
 
I really love the way that every story has a feel-good happy ending. It just gives me a warm feeling inside the way that he turns a story around so that when things look darkest good will always prevail in the end.

Truly heartwarming. I love that about ASOIAF.
 
I gave up about a 3rd of the way thru A Clash of Kings because I just watched season 2 and it basically revealed all the spoilers for me, so the book wasn't that appealing. Maybe I will get back to it some day.
 
I really love the way that every story has a feel-good happy ending. It just gives me a warm feeling inside the way that he turns a story around so that when things look darkest good will always prevail in the end.

Truly heartwarming. I love that about ASOIAF.

Agreed! I was so worried we'd lost Cersei there for a bit, but it looks like she'll have a second chance to save the kingdom. Hooray!!!
 
i really love the way that every story has a feel-good happy ending. It just gives me a warm feeling inside the way that he turns a story around so that when things look darkest good will always prevail in the end.

Truly heartwarming. I love that about asoiaf.
lol!!!!!
 
I really love the way that every story has a feel-good happy ending. It just gives me a warm feeling inside the way that he turns a story around so that when things look darkest good will always prevail in the end.

Truly heartwarming. I love that about ASOIAF.

This seriously had me laughing out loud. :D
 

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