Holly Lisle on envy

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The latest newsletter from Holly Isle is all about how it's better to focus on your own creativity than gnash your teeth at other people's success.

It's a really great read, but there are a couple of great points in it:

Yes, the writer of self-centered, whining, thumb-sucking, angst-ridden teenagers with undead fetishes sells a helluva lotta books.

Guess who buys them.

Self-centered, whining, thumb-sucking, angst-ridden teenagers with undead fetishes.

How would you like to go to a convention and meet five thousand of your biggest fans, only to discover that they terrify you...or that you can't stand them.

Books draw the readers they deserve. Think about that.
And then a summary point:

Don't waste a minute of your life saying awful things about strangers who are doing something creative that they love. If you want to read a better book than what they wrote, then dammit, WRITE a better book.
http://howtothinksideways.com/newsletters/
 
Ha, I was thinking of doing a blog on this. I'm terribly lucky here on the Chrons to have made a couple of good friends, with writers who leave me in awe of their stuff. One in particular, who I'll keep nameless (like there's any chance, she's Scottish and she writes fab, voicey stuff - waves!), I'm particularly close to, and we got close cos we're both pretty focused on our writing, we're juggling young families, and we can understand each other's accent.

She does terribly well with query comps and what not, and it's easy to get jealous, much as I'm cheering her on, writing comments and crossing everything in the world. But seeing how well Cupid's went for her, and knowing I am poor at querys drove me to QLH to improve mine.

And reading crits and not being able to find anything constructive to add makes me determined to send the same out. (I still get red-penned, though. :eek:) I know the friendly competition (I'm not even sure that's the word, shared aspirations, maybe?) has spurred me on to get better, to put more energy into my own writing.

So, I suppose what I'm saying is competition isn't a bad thing, it's what you use it for. I'm not a naturally jealous type, thank goodness, but I am competitive (anyone notice? ;)), and it does give me the spur I need. It also means our first joint signing on the day we simultaneously release our books, having acquired an agent within an hour of each other, and publisher at the same time, is going to be a blast!

(And if she has hers, first, I've already promised to turn up and be the odd writer friend in the corner who wears a hat and drinks fizzy wine. :D And eats all the cocktail sausages.)
 
Well, I am a naturally jealous person, warts and all. It's easy to get jealous, and be spiteful about authors and their perceived undeserved success. But the more I learn about the industry, the more I realise it isn't fair, and it can't really be. Writing isn't really a skill - anyone can learn to do it. And with a market that large, you have to be either really special, really lucky or both to stand out. So what that does is turn my jealousy into drive. I can't expect to write a first draft and for it to be publishable quality (despite what me of a year ago thought). I have to try really hard. So at the moment I've done something a bit out of the ordinary to try and find readers of my book who won't necessarily give me writing critique but who will enjoy the genre, because I need that too. I need editorial feedback. And I'll find all those things and collate the information and keep plugging away. And when I run out of agents to submit to, well, there's always Kindle. And maybe that is OK.

*Deep zen breaths* :)
 
Apparently I have to sign up to get the full text.

I do agree with her in that I am not about to be a sour puss about someone else's success and just hope for it myself. If for no other reason that I have written a whining, angst ridden teenager and don't want potential readers think I have issues with them. I'd rather those five thousand read my books.
 
I have a writing buddy who was neck and neck with me when we were writing out first novels. We were both lucky enough to be long-listed in a competition. At that point we swore we'd rejoice in each other's success, no matter what.

Now she's self-published and is about to put her 3rd book out there, while I'm still trying to get an agent. I'm not jealous, honest. Just frustrated. And I'm really happy for her.
 
I'd cheer on any writer who became successful, in whatever way they achieved it... unless it was their first draft, and they got an agent with their first submission, got a publishing deal immediately and became a full-time writer straight after that.:eek: Then green envy would consume me...

Only those who've actually finished a book and slaved over edits/critiques and the endless rewrites that are involved in getting it 'out there' know what's involved (how many friends say: "Oh yes, I was going to write a book, but I haven't got the time" as though time were all it took!!), and although every writer here on the chrons is potentially my 'competition', I cheer loudly at every success story, hoping (unenviously) that mine will be next. Every success story is an affirmation that I can make it.
 
I can't get jealous or envious about other authors works. Peoples tastes and joys of reading are so subjective that it makes comparisons about what's best or value meaningless, and I'd subscribe to the 'there's a lot of luck in what makes books very successful' camp.

All that matters really is how the work impacts you.

I suppose that way I'd put it is: when I read a novel or short I first enjoy it for what it is. Then afterwards rather than be determined to write better than this work, it's more 'Well, I would have done it this way because I'd prefer...'

I've read bestsellers that the Literati or Kirsty Wark on the 'Review show' have gushed over calling dazzling, brilliant, genius - only to get a 'meh...s'alright I suppose' from me. Then I've fallen in love with works that I find I'm in a band of only a few thousand obsessives! I'm sure everyone here has similar experiences.

However there's nothing wrong in my mind with giving (and therefore recieving) good strong criticism. I suppose the problem lies if people percieve honest thoughts about something as unjustified attacks. Subjectivity again rears its head. :)
 
I don't see any of you as competition. I don't look at other writers that way. Writing, no matter how it seems to us since we're around writers all the time, is a very specialised field, and genre-writing even more so. We have to help each other, because there's not many out there who have the skills needed to offer constructive criticism... no matter how well-intentioned family and friends can be.

We're all one big family, us writers. If one of you does well, I will be over the moon. I want you all to do well, to be honest. I want us all meeting up at each other's signings and being mad and writerly and talking non-stop about writing and our books and the Chrons.

Saying that, a certain angst-ridden book about the undead was not well-handled, yet it appealed to hormone-driven teens who lusted after some idealised version of the perfect man. ;) So, in a way, good for the author. She saw a gap in the market and filled it - with much success. I'm not saying I would have done the same - I prefer my books to have something to say - but it would be nice to have that level of success with something not hormone-dependent. :D
 
I should probably clarify I'm not hatefully jealous of any of you, it is just the Stephanie Meyers and EL James of this world (I'm working on it). Until one of you becomes the next one of them... *points warning finger* ;)

But seriously, I love seeing when Chronspeople do well. Gives me hope. :)
 
By the way, the lovely Hex wants to assure you all she has informed anyone who shows any interest in my stuff that I murder kittens and eat puppy sushi. So, that's nice. :p :)

I had two moments of jealousy about writing, that I can recall. One was standing in Tesco's, seeing a sci fi book (a Pittacus Lore, as it happens, but it could have been anyone) and wanting it to be me. It took me by surprise, cos I normally am very easy going about such things. Anyway, it made me very determined.

The other one was reading a book that I loved with such a simple central premise, a what if i was in love with... or whatever, and wishing I could have thought of the idea. That one took a couple of weeks to go. It made me less determined and more, deflated. I'm over it now. :)
 
I think being deflated is what keeps us going (the determines ones, anyway). I'm constantly seeing things I'm in awe of, that make me have a moment of "What the heck am I trying for?!", but then I pick myself up and keep writing... and hope that some of the great books I read influence my brain into coming up with equally awesome story elements.


AMW, it could be you next. *points waggling finger* :p
 
Maybe this is paranoid, but when I first started writing it felt like people (e.g., established authors in interviews) were hiding "writing secrets" from me. I mean, while you can't teach someone to write (it is a personal discovery process) there definitely are a few very simple lessons and techniques that can get you there quite a bit faster.

It could almost have been a jealous desire to hold back future competition.

Personally, thus far I've never let myself be jealous of others because it's a distraction. I write best when I focus on my world, my characters, my story, and when I don't let anything else matter. Which, incidentally, is why I choose not to spend more time here at SFF Chrons than I do.

Coragem.
 
Writers are readers like anyone else, and we want more of the books that we like, and less of the books that we don't. Where does that stop and where does jealousy begin? Are we envious on our own behalf, or on behalf of the writers we admire who don't do as well as the writers we hate? Is it always easy to tell?

Holly Lyle makes a good point that we might not want the fans of some of those books that we don't like. Really, we want to reach the people who are going to love what we write, don't we? Isn't that the part that excites envy -- the fact that circumstances have allowed them to reach their fans, and the big bad world has stopped us from doing the same?

Being envious can be a distraction. It can drain off our energy.

But I agree with springs that sometimes a competitive spirit can urge us on to improve.
 
Maybe this is paranoid, but when I first started writing it felt like people (e.g., established authors in interviews) were hiding "writing secrets" from me.

Perhaps because we are consumers in a world that offers to give us what we want.

"Work hard" is not normally considered an answer. :)
 
I say congratulations to those who achieve success, in any field. Being jealous of them doesn't help me to improve.
 

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