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I looked all over for a good place to ask this, I really didnt think it warrented its own thread. So please feel free to use this for any random science questions you might have while writing.


What is a 'biologist of rocks' called?

I have two geologists. One is a cartographer. The other specializes in finding out/ knowing what the geology she is looking at is comprised of.
 
I thought the cartographer would be a geographer, not a geologist. The other one I would call a geologist, hope.

Assuming strident advances in nanotechnology, what are the realistic possibilities: for specific strain of nanites (is that the best word for individual nanobots?) having the function of a biological (retro)virus? I know of speculation that nanites could be used for targeting cancer cells, for example, but could they also have a military potential?
 
Well the cartographer is a geomorphologist. But I figured cartographer was more widely known, since I didnt know there was such a person as a geomorphologist till I started doing research for this story.


I assume everything has military potential. Its just a mater of how long it takes the military to find out what it is.
 
Ah, well, that rather specialized. I'd just go with cartographer unless the story is about geomorphology in particular.

I'm working on ending the world (as we know it) in my novella, and a nice novel pathogen would help things move along. :eek:
 
As far as we currently know, nothing is stopping nanomachines from doing just about anything. As long as the laws of physics don't preclude whatever it is that you want to do, that is.

Case in point: Biological systems are composed of very large molecules that are thermodynamically metastable at best compared to the same atoms in the "ground-state" configuration - which is one of the reasons that cremation works. That being the case, one theoretical possibility is replicating nanoassemblers that simply rip apart such things as proteins and use the material to do two things; make more of themselves and power the whole affair.

The problem with this is the same as the problem with biological weapons - containment. For more on this subject (books and books' worth of it!) Google "gray goo" (or "grey goo" I suppose).

A slightly more subtle way of using nanotech might be to use it in conjunction with AI. Drexler had a scenario in one of his books in which various rather odd seismic disturbances were noted in the South China Sea for several weeks.

One fine morning, ten million tons of semi-autonomous AI weapons rise out of the sea - and Singapore is the world's newest superpower.

BTW, let's dispose of one common objection. You want to see evidence that sapient replicating networks of replicating nanoassemblers are possible, because you don't believe they are?

Try looking in the mirror. Although to be fair, in that case the network requires some help from another network of slightly different design.
 
Yay geology question!

I wouldn't associate cartography with geology, they're 2 completely different things. A geologist makes geological maps and not the kind of maps we'd use to get around. A 'biologist of rocks'...do you mean someone who studies organic geology? Eg fossils, or on a microbial scale the organisms that make up biogenic sediments?
 
I wouldn't associate cartography with geology, either. I would say your first one is a cartographer and your "biologist of rocks" is a geologist, unless I'm misunderstanding the second one's function. Geologists study rocks microscopically as well as every other way.
 
Yeah the Zebra is right; a "biologist of rocks" is a geologist. Are you sure you're not confusing geology and geography? A cartographer is a specialist sort of geographer. They're not a geologist (although they might use geology data to create a geologic map).
 
Assuming strident advances in nanotechnology, what are the realistic possibilities: for specific strain of nanites (is that the best word for individual nanobots?) having the function of a biological (retro)virus? I know of speculation that nanites could be used for targeting cancer cells, for example, but could they also have a military potential?

For specific use of nanobots in a military setting, try Old Man's War, by John Scalzi...
 
Yeah the Zebra is right; a "biologist of rocks" is a geologist. Are you sure you're not confusing geology and geography? A cartographer is a specialist sort of geographer. They're not a geologist (although they might use geology data to create a geologic map).

A "biologist of rocks" is a little unclear. Conceivably, such a description could be used for palaeontologists - those who study extinct biological organisms known only as fossils.
 
For specific use of nanobots in a military setting, try Old Man's War, by John Scalzi...

I hadn't read Scalzi before and only a little Heinlein, so thanks for the link to his excerpt. That's going a bit beyond what I would want to do with nanobots, but still very interesting.
 
well of course its unclear (lol) I dont know what i'm talking about and trying to passably sound like I know what i'm doing sending people off to study Mars.

My cartographer is along to map out the specific areas they are planning to study. I needed someone who would pick up on strange formations of stuff pretty quick, so I guess she is a geographer after all.

The "rock biologist" is along to note what kind of matter makes up Mars and infer what could and could not have lived there.

And rounding out the "i dont fly the space thingy I just ride in it" group of people I have an arrogant-but-nice guy the government picked for some kind of smartness that doesnt come up.

I did spend a good 2 days trawling wiki's geology/geography sections. I guess I figured I found more practial application for geologists to go to a difrent planet since geographers seemed so tied to this one.

Maybe I got it wrong. I am not a "science buff" which is the main reason I stayed away from science fiction (reading and wringing) for so long.

Super appreciate all the replies.

So cartographer still fits right? but she is a geographer not a geologist. *makes notes* would she and my geologist have met in school? They have been "life long" friends and I could easily leave out the school bits (especially since I have [obviously] not much clue what they would have taken). Thank you for straightening me out that geologists and geographers are not the same. I figured they were diffrentish, but in the way biologists and biochemists are.
 
Yeah, I think they could have met, depending on what their training was. Surveying is common to both professions for example.
 
My cartographer is along to map out the specific areas they are planning to study. I needed someone who would pick up on strange formations of stuff pretty quick, so I guess she is a geographer after all.

Actually, I think she would be a geologist. The main role of a field geologist is to do geological mapping, which is essentially what you're describing - trekking over an unknown area and making notes of geological formations, rock types, doing field sketches and inferring lithologies.

Or she could be a geophysicist. :) Cos, you know, there aren't enough geophysicists in fiction. (Perhaps because nobody understands what we do...) That would probably involve mapping the subsurface of Mars, so it depends whether you're looking for surface features or what's going on underneath.

The "rock biologist" is along to note what kind of matter makes up Mars and infer what could and could not have lived there.

I think this one probably would have to be a geologist but with a lot of post-graduate studies in biogeochemistry and the like. (Although biogeochemist sounds quite cool). I don't do any of that side of things so sorry if that's unhelpful...

So cartographer still fits right? but she is a geographer not a geologist. *makes notes* would she and my geologist have met in school? They have been "life long" friends and I could easily leave out the school bits (especially since I have [obviously] not much clue what they would have taken). Thank you for straightening me out that geologists and geographers are not the same. I figured they were diffrentish, but in the way biologists and biochemists are.

They could have met. At my uni they offer a joint honours Geology and Physical Geography degree, and the geologists could also take some Geography modules in their first year. Or they might have met outside of classes.
 
geophysicist! I love it! can they both be lumped into that awesomely ambiguous but uber-smart sounding science? I dont plan on being super specific about why they were picked and what they were supposed to be doing before it all goes horribly wrong.
 
I hadn't read Scalzi before and only a little Heinlein, so thanks for the link to his excerpt. That's going a bit beyond what I would want to do with nanobots, but still very interesting.

I'm reading The Rise of Endymion and I thought that the Ousters from that book had really interesting ideas about combining and using nano-tech and gene-engineering in conjunction.. You might read that for some ideas...
 
geophysicist! I love it! can they both be lumped into that awesomely ambiguous but uber-smart sounding science? I dont plan on being super specific about why they were picked and what they were supposed to be doing before it all goes horribly wrong.

Why not? :) We are very versatile. Just use the words 'searching for geophysical anomalies' and that pretty much covers everything!
 
I'm reading The Rise of Endymion and I thought that the Ousters from that book had really interesting ideas about combining and using nano-tech and gene-engineering in conjunction.. You might read that for some ideas...

Thanks. I was working on some worldbuilding last night that included nano-enhanced cyborgs.
 
There seems a generalised belief in most works that nanotech will automatically be self replicating, von Neumann machines. And none of them compare with living cells and realise the most important function is the energy generating and storage system (batteries are really not on;)), taking up far more of the total mass than information storage.

But actually, whatever the first uses of nanomachines might be, unless you are going to evolve them (extremely dangerous) many generations are going to come out of factories, work while they last then wear out and replaced by new ones. No self repair, no complete instruction kits for constructing "offspring", so lower initial cost (but continuous running costs) no "grey goo" syndrome, no risk of mutation.

Which could be a good thing for those cancer zapping nanites (assuming they can be trusted to recognise the right cells; and we're not going to start injecting people with them until we're dead sure of that, are we?), since you can energise them from outside (think of an induction coil run at a frequency that a tuned circuit inside the machine could receive and pull power from: a very high frequency, given the size of them). Now, except when you're within this coil, they're passive, and floating around the body (and being filtered out of it by kidneys), totally harmless. And each class of nanite would have a specific function, and a specific powering frequency, so you could inject cancer zappers and cholesterol disposers in one patient, and run tests as to which one is useful now.

All these "geo" words are based on Earth (yes, even "geometry", measuring the Earth); if your crew are going to mars shouldn't they be "Areologists" or areophysicists or something?
 
Thanks for the advice, chrispenycate. I was thinking of playing safe, requiring upgrades and so on. My cyborgs go into revolt against their masters then have to figure out how to go on after that, without ready access to the nanos that make them special.

No grey goo, but there are a lot of different nanos for different things. They will run on induction (which is what I had in mind before you mentioned it) not their own tiny power supplies.
 

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