Need quick way to establish world (plus other question)

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This is an exchange from the first page of my ch1. (Orc is the POV.)

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The suddenness of the move made Ranga clutch Orc’s shoulder for support. From back in the boat came a snorted laugh from Esteban, the younger of the crew. At the stern, his grandfather Ibben displayed a near-toothless grin as he straightened the tiller.

‘Bastards,’ muttered Ranga, sitting down.

‘Do they not have boats, in your country?’ called Ibben, as his grandson worked to furl the slack and flapping canvas.

‘My country’s the same as yours, actually,’ said Ranga. ‘And I come from its greatest port. Perhaps you’ve heard of it: Torrento? Our capital?’

‘I have heard of it,’ said Ibben dryly. ‘It’s a long way from here.’

‘No kidding,’ said Ranga under his breath. Orc knew what he meant: the farther along the coast they went, the worse became the suspicious stares, the muttered comments — one fisherman they’d tried to hire that morning had even called Ranga slit-eyed.

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First, is it clear enough what’s going on between Ibben and Ranga here? (Ibben making a point of Ranga looking foreign, Ranga understanding this and then moving to sarcasm, Ibben pretending to take the sarcasm at face value and not being impressed by where Ranga comes from.) If it isn’t, it might look as though I’m merely trying to feed in information.

My main question, though, relates to the ‘No kidding’. I’ve been trying to think how to quickly and subtly establish the kind of world this is. We’re at a ‘tech level’ equivalent to our 1900 — there is some electricity, steam trains and ships, very early automobiles, etc. But the current location is a backwater: the town has the telegraph, but little else modern. I’d like Ranga’s comment to reflect this, and still lead on to Orc’s thought about the locals being unsophisticated in terms of exposure to people different than them. But I can’t think how to do it – and I can’t see another opportunity to really mark the tech-level for several pages.

Something to this effect would be nice: ‘Even telegraph messages are deemed foreign and treated with suspicion because they have to come a long way to get here.’ But of course, in only a handful of words.

Any ideas hugely appreciated.
 
What came to my mind when reading this text. Hopefully it will be of use?

Area with Middle-East/Africa characterization (Ibben sounds like the kind of name I would give to an Arabic character), mostly made out of islands (like the Caribbean/Oceania) and with a strong social affection towards the sea ("I come from its greatest port" sounds like something he's proud about?).

Under that setting I think your characters would work. Orc may come from mainland, where all those things (steam trains, automobiles and such) are more developed, while Ranga and Ibben come from the islands, that are not as developed tech wise.

Not sure if it really is of any help, but I've tried!
 
I got the tone of the exchange right away -- what about mentioning steam to immediately let the reader know the level of technology? 'Slow boats, not steam.' Telegraphs don't have the same feel for me that 'steam' does, conjuring up a whole era of emerging technology in a single word.
 
I think Eloise's idea is important (I think I mentioned something at one stage that it would have helped me to know about the steam ships and what not near the beginning). Now they're on the sea, can you have anything in the background that would show the tech? Or in the sky? Or even something they'd love to have on their boat but can't afford yet?
 
I agree with Eloise and Springs. Steam conjures up a very recognisable picture of olden times, and, when you get to a paragraph or two describing the boat, you could drop in a comment or two about the boat's equipment, or the characters' gear.

As for the passage itself, I at first thought Ranga had been punched or something. For me, it wasn't initially clear that he was on a boat, and that the boat's motions were affecting his balance. Maybe you could say, "The boat's sudden movements made Ranga grip Orc's shoulder for support."? That is, unless you mention that they're on a boat earlier on. I don't know whether this excerpt is your opening, of course. :p
 
Thanks for the comments so far.

Ibben sounds like the kind of name I would give to an Arabic character

Ooh, I can see that -- because of the Ibn- element in some Arabic names? He and the setting are actually supposed to be more Mediterranean, but since he's one of the first characters named, that might be confusing. I'm not even sure where I got the name from.

"I come from its greatest port" sounds like something he's proud about?.

He's really more reacting to Ibben's suggestion that he doesn't know boats.

Thanks for your impressions -- they were definitely helpful.

Telegraphs don't have the same feel for me that 'steam' does, conjuring up a whole era of emerging technology in a single word.

I guess. I'm wary, though, of giving the impression that it's steampunk. But since three people voted for steam, how about this?

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‘My country’s the same as yours, actually,’ said Ranga. ‘And yes, we have boats where I come from, and steamships, and a few dreadnoughts for good measure. Perhaps you’ve heard of the place: Torrento? Our capital?’

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As for the passage itself, I at first thought Ranga had been punched or something. For me, it wasn't initially clear that he was on a boat

I should have pointed out that this isn't quite the opening, and it is clear they're on a boat.
 
Considering your tech level is equivalent to the late Victorian era, you might want to write the thing, and worry about steampunk later. You might find it fits in that category after all, you might find you've successfully dodged it. But don't write to consciously avoid it as you might weaken the story in doing so.
 
Thanks AMB, but it's already written, and there aren't really any steampunk elements (apart from a navy destroyer with a fire elemental heating one of its boilers).

(But I'm quite happy to bring steam in here as long as it doesn't read as though I'm trying to suggest it's steampunk. I'm probably over-thinking it!)
 
Maybe you could slip a little bit extra in here, it seems like the place to do it.

‘My country’s the same as yours, actually,’ said Ranga. ‘And I come from its greatest port. Perhaps you’ve heard of it: Torrento? Our capital?’

that mentions a tech level, something like:

‘My country’s the same as yours, actually,’ said Ranga. ‘And I come from its greatest port. Perhaps you’ve heard of it: Torrento? Our capital? We have steam boats, and telegraphs and **, oh and respect!’

it ended up longer than I expected. Maybe Ranga's reply could be rewritten, he could reply about the country, mention the capital and then talk about the port, the boats/tech and the lack of racism.
 
I think that's a natural place to drop in something and it sets up the Seiruz storyline. I remember when I first read it being jarred out when they had newspapers as I hadn't realised the date-era of the tech, so I think the sooner a hint is there, the better.

A really stupid question, sorry I know you are the expert on this -- given the era and what not, would they not have already started to develop scuba and gear that could be transferred to free diving, especially once they see the "our world" gear brought through?
 
One point I think it's worth mentioning: There is obviously a fantasy element to this story, as you've mentioned what is probably fairly routine use of a fire elemental as the heat source for a steam engine. Given that, is it really a good idea to have a character called Orc? That name has all sorts of baggage that you might not want.

On the subject of scuba gear, and Jules Verne notwithstanding - IMHO it's a bit too high-tech for the setting. IIRC, in the real world it wasn't developed until the 1940s and that was under the pressure of military R&D. Unless a captive air elemental might help?
 
Maybe you could slip a little bit extra in here, it seems like the place to do it.



that mentions a tech level, something like:

‘My country’s the same as yours, actually,’ said Ranga. ‘And I come from its greatest port. Perhaps you’ve heard of it: Torrento? Our capital? We have steam boats, and telegraphs and **, oh and respect!’

it ended up longer than I expected. Maybe Ranga's reply could be rewritten, he could reply about the country, mention the capital and then talk about the port, the boats/tech and the lack of racism.


Hi Moonbat: I suggested something like this (great minds etc) in my post three posts up from yours -- I assume you didn't see it?

In fact, since no one has directly commented on it, did anyone see it?

given the era and what not, would they not have already started to develop scuba and gear that could be transferred to free diving, especially once they see the "our world" gear brought through?

No, as Mirannan says it's too early -- and no-one with any real interest in plastics/rubber technology or its underwater application would have seen O&C's gear.

is it really a good idea to have a character called Orc? That name has all sorts of baggage that you might not want.

I started a thread about this very worry a couple of years ago, and no one thought there would be an issue, given the context (there's a prologue in which the name is explained, and it's made clear the world isn't the kind of one in which goblin-type orcs live.)
 
Hi Moonbat: I suggested something like this (great minds etc) in my post three posts up from yours -- I assume you didn't see it?

In fact, since no one has directly commented on it, did anyone see it?

I have seen it. And I believe it helps to draw a much better picture of the tech level you want to describe. The telegraph is probably too vague for some people, who may not relate it to that era just as easily.

Also, about the Orc name, if you explain it in the prologue, it should be no problem, except those that tend to read a lot about fantasy worlds with orc in it, I guess?
 
I read a lot of stuff with orcs in, but had no problem with Orc. Should be fine.
 

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