How "In Demand" are Books with Dragons as Main Characters?

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One of the books I'm currently writing is about dragons and, so far, has no humans in it. I am not planning on putting humans into the storyline. I am wondering if anyone would buy this book and actually read it. It will be vaguely similar to Eragon, except without the humans. Thanks for your input! :D
 
Welcome to the forum. Regarding your question, my opinion is that without some human characters your readers may have a hard time identifying with the protagonists in your book. If you plan only to have dragons and maybe some other creatures, take a look at the Brian Jacques books to see how he was able to carry things off using animals as human surrogates in his very popular Redwall series. Good luck!
 
I don't think the problem is non-human characters, simply writing them well in a well-written story. I'm minded to think of Richard Adams's Watership Down as an example of a well-received story that had no humans in it.

Oh, and welcome to the forums Rose Starre and Manteufel. :)

I'll also move this thread to the General Writing board as well. :)
 
Welcome to the Chrons!

A few weeks ago I found the "Wings of Fire" series by Tui T. Sutherland. Haven't read them, but they look fairly popular, and I don't think there are humans in there either.
 
I used to read a lot of books as a kid without people - and loved them.

Silver Brumby books by Elyn Mitchell (horses)
Ratha's Creature by Clare Bell (large cats)
Animals of Farthing Wood

So I think it can work! But may be better with a younger audience?
 
There's a book by Jo Walton called Tooth and Claw, which is a very clever Austen-type romance/ drama with dragons. Not for children, very dark.

I don't know how to measure demand for these stories -- I haven't seen agents specifically looking for dragon books but then I don't write them so I wouldn't be watching out for it.

Suspect, as ever, it depends how you do it.
 
There's a book by Jo Walton called Tooth and Claw, which is a very clever Austen-type romance/ drama with dragons. Not for children, very dark.

I don't know how to measure demand for these stories -- I haven't seen agents specifically looking for dragon books but then I don't write them so I wouldn't be watching out for it.

Suspect, as ever, it depends how you do it.

This I suspect it a good answer. Though there's a lot more to it than simply writing a good book about dragons.
 
I haven't seen agents specifically looking for dragon books but then I don't write them so I wouldn't be watching out for it.


If I was an agent it would be all I looked for! If you write it well it should be fine

(I have some dragon stories on the go at the moment too ;) )
 
Most fantasy books without humanoid protagonists (or at least humans present, if not in the principal rôles) assume human motivations to their characters, in the style of de la Fontaine or the wind in the willows, rendering them effectively small furry humans.

A dragon is a solitary predator; there's no risk of a flock of dragons (or a pack, or whatever the collective noun would be if ever they congregated) They presumably get together for mating, but given the number of untended dragon eggs that have been collected and hatched by humans, in ancient as well as recent fables, it's not even certain they raise their young at all, just bury the eggs like a lot of reptiles then eat as many of the young as they can catch. They live long enough that they don't need many descendants.

Which does not make for brilliant dialogue or deep introspection. At the top of the food chain – what could attack one? – and with a lifestyle that does not ecourage disease propagation, what is encouraging them to build a civilisation, develop language skills?

Obviously, in fantasy evolutionary necessities are less important. My dragons developed speech centres in their brains so mothers could pass on knowledge to their young; but, until humans arrived to unbalance things, there was hunting knowledge, fighting knowledge and keep away from fathers, aunts, cousins, older siblings… type knowledge. It was only the competition with humans that raised cooperation and thought before action to survival values.

Science fiction, in contrast to fantasy, has a number of examples of non-human species starring in their own environments, with a minimum of anthropomorphism (not none, or the author wouldn't be capable of empathising with them, not even considering the readers). Sometimes token humans are there as a reference, not always. They don't tend to be dragons – dragons are rare in SF – but I can do you some dinosaurs. But they descended from pack hunters, and have social skills, and laws and regulations, and had bigger predators to prey on them; difficult to see how a top competer like a dragon could ever be forced into a communal rôle without St. Georges and Beowulfs.
 
I used to read a lot of books as a kid without people - and loved them.

So I think it can work! But may be better with a younger audience?

I'd say this. I would only read books with no humans when I was a kid. (So your Brian Jacques and Colin Dann).
 
I am not a huge dragon fan...(Kylara..don't look at me like that)...but will admit to enjoying Hobbs take on them. But she had them as a proud, mightier than thou puny humans kind of thing. I would have quickly grown tired of it if there were no humans in the story.

I will give another vote to a dragon only story being more of a kids books.

But like said above...if the story is great and the writing is great, then it won't matter if there are no humans
 
Another non-human series: Guardians of Ga'hoole, which I admit I've not read but the film was so fab that its on my list. Total of 15 books so obviously a market there.

I agree with others about the need for recognizable emotions/ motivations.
 
I agree with others about the need for recognizable emotions/ motivations.

There's no need to worry about that. All of the emotions and motivations will be recognizable enough. It's just a matter of if it'll be read. Besides, I don't write children's books, so this will be a novel of sorts. Anyway, if there are so many successful human-less books out there, why on Earth would this one be any different? :confused:
 
I love dragons. Never read a book with a dragon as a protag, well.... hold up.

I have read some Dragonlance books. Huma and such. Maybe I have.

I'd certainly be interested.
 
A dragon is a solitary predator; there's no risk of a flock of dragons (or a pack, or whatever the collective noun would be if ever they congregated) They presumably get together for mating, but given the number of untended dragon eggs that have been collected and hatched by humans, in ancient as well as recent fables, it's not even certain they raise their young at all, just bury the eggs like a lot of reptiles then eat as many of the young as they can catch. They live long enough that they don't need many descendants.

Since dragon's don't actually exist, they can be whatever you want...
 
Since dragon's don't actually exist, they can be whatever you want...

Yes, but they have to feel right. Why should a thing like that team up? Against a bigger, nastier predator? but you've been writing your character to the top of the food chain, what ignominy to downgrade him to a jackal to some tiger. A prey animal so big that a solitary hunter can't take it down? Better, but you don't need a number of the standard draconian accoutrements; you don't even need the wings (there may be those among you pointing out that Chinese dragons do not have wings – they still fly. Presumably lighter than air.). And the flight, and the fire have become what distinguishes a true dragon from a mere ground-crawling wurm. Perhaps they specialise in smaller prey, and the weaponry and armour doesn't detract when they get together to attack the huger. Most likely, though is persecution by a social species of smaller predators, and humans stand in very well for these; developing technology, merciless, self justified…

You are going to tell me that, since this is fantasy, everything is created by an ineffable creator (the author, unless you are particularly into effing), and that evolutionary logic need lay no restrictions on their practicality. But the great creators lubricate the path to believability with feel right details Smaug is hopelessly unaerodynamic, but you never sense this while reading. Holly Lisle's Minerva dragon, though, is a clown, used on Earth to generate a sense of the ridiculousness of the situation, weakening the male lead's grip on sanity, but not a character

There's always the possibility, since we have no humans for reference, that these dragons are eighteen inches long in an ecology to scale. You don't have to tell your readers this, but it simplifies the physics and means you can get by without wings three times the length of the body, for example. And possibly teaming up becomes more profitable, and even tool use has its advantages (I'm trying to work out reasons that dragons would develop a society).

People love dragons. Even mine, who are about as down to earth, uninfected by cosmic sagacity as you can imagine. But suspension of disbelief for a fire-breathing, armoured flying reptile (all necessary characteristics for earning the name, in my opinion) is not easy to come by. So work out in your own mind what needs to be, and what that means for the conventional monster. Don't tell your readers anything they don't need to know, but you having a clear, integrated image will come across.
 
A dragon is a solitary predator; there's no risk of a flock of dragons (or a pack, or whatever the collective noun would be if ever they congregated)

This makes me want to go off and write a story about about a dragon that dies from loneliness.
 

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