3.04: Reasonable Doubt

J-Sun

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Here's a spot to discuss this ep if anybody wants. This had lots of lines like "I don't know how I can thank you" and "who are you people?" and a silly mock trial a la the silly marriage counseling ep along with a complicated backplot I didn't care about and two possible victim/perps I didn't like or care about (one of whom was awfully teary and whiny to be supposed to be so smart and tough) so this was pretty much an utter failure to me.

On the other hand, there was a funny silent moment of Shaw and Reese competing over Bear and, while not having any substantial arc subplot, it did include a moment or two that people better not have missed if they don't want to be confused later.
 
Awww, I thought they'd give us at least a couple more episodes of Carter's new partner being a giggly gossip before outing him as an evil agent of HR.

Quite the convoluted episode this week, and I think that, ultimately, the twists and turns the writers used to justify the perp/not-perp idea hurt it. It's a shame, because they could have cut a lot out and still been able to flit from victim, to perp, to who knows what.

Four episodes in, and we've already seen two cases of what can arguably be called failure on the part of the Team, if not Reese in particular. I wonder if we're building towards a big Reese event, that will maybe happen in the mid-December episode before the break? The biggy would, obviously, be the departure of Caviezel. I've not heard any rumours, though, so I'm going to put my money on Reese leaving the Team to work under Ma'am, or for the guys who took out the guy in the second episode, for a short while. 'Twould be a nice little arc that could be spun into Finch asking Reese to infiltrate and gather info/shut them down.

All the scenes with Bear were great!

And it does appear that Finch and co. are going to keep bringing people back to a safehouse.
 
Four episodes in, and we've already seen two cases of what can arguably be called failure on the part of the Team
You mean failure to stop the crime from happening? Is that what they always have to do? Is that what the machine wants? The question is: Does the machine know everything about the future or is it just flagging up possibilities? I believe only the latter from how I understand it to work. As Reece said, "I'm in the business of stopping bad things from happening, but I'm not sure that what is about to happen is that bad."
And it does appear that Finch and co. are going to keep bringing people back to a safehouse.
She was hooded though. Or do you mean Carter? Leon and Carter are part of the team now. Forget the location of Library, I think they know enough about Reece and Finch to cause a problem wherever they hide out. If they really wanted to move safehouse, didn't Finch buy several other disused Libraries at the same time? Are we even sure we keep seeing them at the same Library?

I hope your theory about Caviezel isn't correct. I don't have such a problem with the expanded cast, but I do think the dynamic duo works best.
 
This episode, even though they proved my initial thought on Carter's new partner being a total jerk and serving on HR's interest, felt more like a filler than the last episode. And it really didn't attach itself to the ending of last episode. I could even say that the network cocked it and decided to air this episode earlier, because I trust that the producers and writers would have let this sort of sh*t to fall between their fingers. In fact I'd say that the editing was disastrous in this one.
 
You mean failure to stop the crime from happening? Is that what they always have to do? Is that what the machine wants? The question is: Does the machine know everything about the future or is it just flagging up possibilities? I believe only the latter from how I understand it to work. As Reece said, "I'm in the business of stopping bad things from happening, but I'm not sure that what is about to happen is that bad."

Up until now, the team have received a number and seen it through to a desired outcome - victims are protected, and the threat against them neutralised, whilst the few perps we've had are tracked and prevented from carrying out another crime. The only cases I can think of where the outcome was not desired were the ones directly involving Elias.

With this third series, however, we've seen a victim executed (a failure to protect and neutralise the threat against them), and we've seen a perp** not only manoeuvre herself into the position to commit the crime, but assumedly carry it through. Now whilst this second occurrence was, in part, down to a decision made by Reese, it's still a failure - the team exists to prevent things from happening to the people whose numbers they receive.


She was hooded though. Or do you mean Carter? Leon and Carter are part of the team now. Forget the location of Library, I think they know enough about Reece and Finch to cause a problem wherever they hide out. If they really wanted to move safehouse, didn't Finch buy several other disused Libraries at the same time? Are we even sure we keep seeing them at the same Library?

From what we saw of the safehouse last night, I'm guessing that it isn't the library, and that the two previous numbers who were brought in were also brought to the same place.

I think it was J-Sun who mentioned, an episode or two ago, that the team appears to care less about staying anonymous, as they're letting people see the operation. Now that it's happened on three separate occasions, I think we can say it's a thing now to bring the number to the safehouse, to question them or to give them some safety.


I hope your theory about Caviezel isn't correct. I don't have such a problem with the expanded cast, but I do think the dynamic duo works best.

Me too! If Caviezel does leave, then Shaw could easily step up to replace Reese, but the character is barely even two-dimensional, and I can't see a Shaw/Finch partnership being quite as good without a lot of work.



**My reasoning as to why I think the number this week falls more on the perp side of the line: the Machine sees all, gathering data from all forms of communication. It would know about the debt, the charity, the affairs, the plan to frame wassername, and would surely have been able to discover the fake passports for both of them. Because we're in series three, I think we can safely assume that the Machine is also a good judge of character, and would be able to work out that the wife loved the husband more than the husband loved the wife, and that the wife would likely react the way she did. Although it probably couldn't predict that Reese would giver her a gun, the Machine must have had a pretty good idea that the wife would try to murder the husband, and thus throw up her number.
 

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