To comma or not to comma - is my question?

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There are a couple of similar exchanges in my first chapter and I'm unsure how to punctuate them. He's talking to him and about him at the same time?

The back of Jack Sorenson’s head has been getting on my nerves all afternoon; he’s not done anything except sit there but there are times when it winds me up – today is one of them. Drumming a pen on the school desk, I let my mind go out the window and across the playing fields.

“Is (,)Scholar Angus (,)with us?”

My ears hear the words and I look up. However my brain is still over by the goal posts. “Huh? Soc?”
 
I see no reason to keep either comma. It doesn't look right, sound right or make any logical sense to keep them. If you want to indicate a pause, ellipses would suit better.
 
To me that seems like no commas required.

But I am one of the last writers you should consult upon the niceties of grammar and suchlike. :eek: Someone with the relevant erudition should be along soon.
 
The only reason would be because he is addressing Angus. I thought there should be a comma when you name the person you are talking to? My gut says no but I'm not sure.
 
'Is Scholar Angus with us?' I see no reason to pause; it's mildly ironic, but no real difference between it and "are you with us?" Now "Scholar Angus, are you with us?" or "Are you with us, Scholar Angus?" both need the name commared off, but the first could be used to emphasise someones lowly rank, or like a mother scolding and giving the full name.
 
The question isn't rhetorical - he's expecting a response? Does that make a difference? That's my concern he is addressing Angus. It's a teacher addressing a student?
 
definitely no comma in there for me.

but i don't think it wouild read right if he was addressing scholar angus... to my mind that should read

"Scholar Angus, are you with us."
 
No commas, definitely, but the use of third person to "address" Angus sounds fine for a somewhat old-fashioned teacher. The teacher is sort-of addressing the whole class.
 
agreed. i had some of those teachers back when i was at school. but something is missing even for that. but there is still something missing and it feels a bit jarring. those teachers were always a bit uppity and wordy so mybe this would work better:

"And so i wonder, is Scholar Angus with us today?"
 
There are a couple of similar exchanges in my first chapter and I'm unsure how to punctuate them. He's talking to him and about him at the same time?

The back of Jack Sorenson’s head has been getting on my nerves all afternoon; he’s not done anything except sit there but there are times when it winds me up – today is one of them. Drumming a pen on the school desk, I let my mind go out the window and across the playing fields.

“Is (,)Scholar Angus (,)with us?”

My ears hear the words and I look up. However my brain is still over by the goal posts. “Huh? Soc?”

Chrispy has the commas right, and Mr Orange makes a good suggestion for reordering the sentence, if that is preferred.

So, I'll risk making 'frenemies' by weighing in on the part of the text you didn't ask about! :D

First, you need a comma after 'except sit there' because you need to separate the non-defining clause from the rest of the sentence.

Second, look at the hyphen after 'up'. Typically, you would use hyphens in narrative text in place of closed brackets, so there would usually be another one, but there is no room. (Commas can also be used this way if the sentence structure permits.) So, rather than a hyphen,* I would recommend considering a colon to indicate that you are moving into an explanation and/or concluding statement based on the idea you have already expounded. If you think, as a result, that having a colon and a semi-colon in the same sentence is too much (it's not, really, but it's a matter of opinion), then you can quite easily replace the semi-colon after 'afternoon' with a full stop without sacrificing any meaning. Doing so might even improve the pace and flow of the passage - try reading it out as Mr Palmer suggests.**

*did you see what I did, there? ;) I used commas in place of closed brackets.

**doh! Did you see what I did, there? :mad:

Third, are you writing in British English? If so, you would usually need to insert 'of' into 'let my mind go out the window'. If you leave it out, you've created a sub-clause that ends in 'of' and should, therefore, be delineated by a comma after 'go'. Any publishing house editor would query this, but as it stands I think you would get away with it on the grounds of artistic licence.

What am I saying? Leave it alone, but be aware that you've done this for artistic effect and that, strictly speaking, it breaks the rules.

Fourth, and final remark: there is a comma that you did miss. It comes after 'However'. Put it in. Don't argue.

Er... now that I've done that, can we still be friends? :(
 
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Always delighted to hear about commas. :0) My relationship with them is a work in progress.

However, it is my NaNoWriMo so it will be completely overhauled. That sentence just stuck out to me.

Or where you take a breath, which often is the same thing.

Whilst my accent is no longer discernible my background is Scouse. Therefore I think the response is "I'm supposed to take a breath?" lol My other background is North East Scots which puts too many breaths in.
 
I don't think commas are needed here. Read aloud and listen, sounds fine without them. Grammatically they are surplus to requirement too. :)
 
So am I!!! Got good (well, I'm using it anyway) excuse, posting, making dinner and ironing. Should really have said the following: It reads fine without the commas :) :)
 
There are a couple of similar exchanges in my first chapter and I'm unsure how to punctuate them. He's talking to him and about him at the same time?

The back of Jack Sorenson’s head has been getting on my nerves all afternoon; he’s not done anything except sit there but there are times when it winds me up – today is one of them. Drumming a pen on the school desk, I let my mind go out the window and across the playing fields.

“Is (,)Scholar Angus (,)with us?”

My ears hear the words and I look up. However my brain is still over by the goal posts. “Huh? Soc?”

No, no commas there. Neither of them.
 

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