Love-Hate Relationship

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In my WIP i have two characters. They hate the sight of each other (put them in the same room, and they'll be at each other's throats in no time). However, they will gladly die for one another.

How would one depict such a relationship?
 
I think we need to know more about it. Just what you've told us makes it sound very unrealistic to me. Sexual attraction/tension can cause argumentativeness, but I don't think you would say any couple sexually attracted to each other would "hate the sight of each other". So what's going on with yours?
 
Okay, um lets see... every time they're around one another, they're always arguing and at each other's throats (in most cases physically). Despite being friends, they hate one another like rivals. But, even though they "hate" one another, they would quickly jump in front of a bullet to save the other, and be there when they are needed.

It's hard to explain, because i've never experienced it myself. I've just seen it done in some stories.
 
It's hard to explain, because i've never experienced it myself. I've just seen it done in some stories.

Manga/anime by any chance?

I remember being intrigued, the first time I saw the film Akira, by how Kaneda keeps trying to kill Tetsuo whilst still seeming to think of him as his friend. I never really managed to explain it, but it did feel emotionally real, though maybe it only worked because they were both adolescents in an extreme situation. I think you have to be careful, though, picking up and using relationship tropes you can't vouch for yourself. It might be that no one who's written them has ever experienced them either; maybe no one in the world has, because they are something that only occurs in fiction, or even a particular kind of fiction.
 
Manga/anime by any chance?

I remember being intrigued, the first time I saw the film Akira, by how Kaneda keeps trying to kill Tetsuo whilst still seeming to think of him as his friend. I never really managed to explain it, but it did feel emotionally real, though maybe it only worked because they were both adolescents in an extreme situation. I think you have to be careful, though, picking up and using relationship tropes you can't vouch for yourself. It might be that no one who's written them has ever experienced them either; maybe no one in the world has, because they are something that only occurs in fiction, or even a particular kind of fiction.

Well, my characters aren't trying to kill each other. They just regularly find reasons to annoy the other, pick up everything they do wrong, and just generally irritate each other until they fight. They are friends, but see each other as rivals... always trying to do better than the other, or trying to ruin what the other has achieved. This results in constant arguments that would make most people think they hate each other... but they don't. Like i said, they'd happily die for the other.

And yes, the idea did come from one, or two, manga/anime series. It adds a bit comedy into it, which is generally what i'm after to some degree. Besides, William, and Camel (my two characters i'm talking about) seem to me, at this stage, that their relationship is one of those, as mentioned above.
 
The apparent animosity would be easy to depict and the other might be considered close to fealty minus noble status. You could easily depict them picking at each other and perhaps siding with others who have poor opinions and if you carefully craft it there might be a few points they might swing the other way (when something seems to come too close to damaging in verbal context.) You would have to have them in a dangerous scene together to demonstrate the 'I would die for you' feeling.

It might be interesting to start with an innocent conversation where one starts goading someone into further insulting the other to a point where the person they are goading steps over the line and starts to threaten the other and they have to step in to stop the damage.
 
I've seen it in rock and roll bands (my natural environment). You've been touring with these guys for months, years, day and night, closer than spouses, closer than siblings. You know every word they're going to say before mouth opens, and so do they; you can't leave because your creativity is bound up in theirs. If one of you killed another he'd be bound even deeper into that one's influence, but splitting the band is unthinkable. And, given the slightest external threat, total unity, them and us, as if the us weren't a squabbling, contentious mob.

I imagine the same thing developing with a special tasks commando squad or the cast of a touring show. Isolated from contacts outside the group (important detail), in constant contact with those within, and no reasonable escape…
 
They could be rivals FOR something. Perhaps both trying to attain the same thing (or person)? Perhaps they simply can't stand to see the other one have something they don't?

It could be as simple as the family bond. Some siblings can be intense rivals and yet the bond of family overcomes all those differences when it matters.

Perhaps they are simply the sort who cannot express themselves in more suitable ways? While it's pretty typical of teenagers to pick on people they actually really like (because when we're teenagers, we're stupid ;P) that tends to disappear as people get older, but it doesn't mean it HAS to disappear.

Perhaps they both understand on some level that it's the competition and constant antagonism of their relationship that compels them to do better and achieve... whatever it is they're trying to achieve?

It might even be some sort of promise or guarantee to someone else entirely to protect each other? If they're siblings, maybe they promised their mother/father/someone who matters to them, that they'd always take care of each other? Even though they can't stand each other.

Hell, maybe they're like Dr Who and the Master. They can't stand each other, but in different situations, they would probably be the staunchest of allies.

Oh, a last second idea just before I hit Submit: could they have access to some secret stash (criminal gains? Inheritance? Something else entirely?) that each of them has half of the necessary code or information to access? Thus they have to protect the other constantly, even though they actively can't stand them?

[edit] Oh, I started to write all that before your post about them actively being friends... scratch half of those ideas then :)
 
The apparent animosity would be easy to depict and the other might be considered close to fealty minus noble status. You could easily depict them picking at each other and perhaps siding with others who have poor opinions and if you carefully craft it there might be a few points they might swing the other way (when something seems to come too close to damaging in verbal context.) You would have to have them in a dangerous scene together to demonstrate the 'I would die for you' feeling.

It might be interesting to start with an innocent conversation where one starts goading someone into further insulting the other to a point where the person they are goading steps over the line and starts to threaten the other and they have to step in to stop the damage.

In my first chapter, when i introduce him, Camel eyes William out.

I looked to the other student; his grey eyes giving me a hot, fevered stare. And from that moment I knew we were not going to get along. I’d never seen him before, but I felt that he didn’t care much for “playing nice”.

Then later on in that segment, he get's offered to join Stephanus, Cobus and Theunis (the three bullies) as one of the bullies. They point that they noticed the way Camel stared at William. But Camel tells them otherwise.

“Well, welcome to our gang!” The shortest said out of the blue, his eyes watering. “I’m Theunis, ‘at’s Stephanus.” He pointed to the big guy. Then he pointed to the middle-sized guy. “’at’s Cobus.”

Camel looked at them indifferently before starting off back to his seat.

“Sorry,” he apologised, waving nonchalantly as he walked away. “But I’m not interested!”

The laughter died abruptly, and they looked at him, their expressions stone-faced. I gaped in stunned silence- no one had ever said no to them before.

“W-what do you mean, you’re not interested?” Cobus said, his tone of voice fluctuating. “We are the top three bullies in the school, and I know I saw you eyeing out William over there. You know you want to smash his face in.”

The other two nodded in agreement, eyeing me with contempt. Camel stopped and gave me a wandering glance. I returned the gaze briefly before looking back at the other three.

“Ya, ya!” Camel sighed, his back still towards them. “It’s not healthy for you to go around assuming things, you know. It’ll get you into trouble someday.”


The relationship i want with these two is similar to how chrispenycate described. They'll end up travelling together, being in each other's faces pretty much all the time and easily getting agitated by what the other does. They sprout words, and fight like they hate one another, yet they wouldn't hesitate to die for each other and their bonds are strong.

It's just that depicting that kind of relationship is a little complicated, and i'm not too sure the best way to go about it
 
This is very much on the right track... But as i said, they're friends.

They could be rivals FOR something. Perhaps both trying to attain the same thing (or person)? Perhaps they simply can't stand to see the other one have something they don't?

It could be as simple as the family bond. Some siblings can be intense rivals and yet the bond of family overcomes all those differences when it matters.

Perhaps they are simply the sort who cannot express themselves in more suitable ways? While it's pretty typical of teenagers to pick on people they actually really like (because when we're teenagers, we're stupid ;P) that tends to disappear as people get older, but it doesn't mean it HAS to disappear.

Perhaps they both understand on some level that it's the competition and constant antagonism of their relationship that compels them to do better and achieve... whatever it is they're trying to achieve?

It might even be some sort of promise or guarantee to someone else entirely to protect each other? If they're siblings, maybe they promised their mother/father/someone who matters to them, that they'd always take care of each other? Even though they can't stand each other.

Hell, maybe they're like Dr Who and the Master. They can't stand each other, but in different situations, they would probably be the staunchest of allies.

Oh, a last second idea just before I hit Submit: could they have access to some secret stash (criminal gains? Inheritance? Something else entirely?) that each of them has half of the necessary code or information to access? Thus they have to protect the other constantly, even though they actively can't stand them?

[edit] Oh, I started to write all that before your post about them actively being friends... scratch half of those ideas then :)
 
Be in their heads when you write it. What are they feeling. Why? It's no harder to write than any other relationship - they all have their quirks. If you stay close to their thoughts, the reader will understand.
 
Irritation isn't the same as hatred. If you truly hated someone, I doubt you'd want to die for them. How many people do you hate, really honestly hate in real life? I don't hate anyone. I dislike many people, I'm irritated by many people, but I don't hate anyone.

Your characters may behave as if they hate each other, but if you're in their heads, you'll be able to show that it's not true hatred and get the relationship across much better.
 
Irritation isn't the same as hatred. If you truly hated someone, I doubt you'd want to die for them. How many people do you hate, really honestly hate in real life? I don't hate anyone. I dislike many people, I'm irritated by many people, but I don't hate anyone.

Your characters may behave as if they hate each other, but if you're in their heads, you'll be able to show that it's not true hatred and get the relationship across much better.

Okay, hatred is too strong a word, but i'll make sure to have a few scenes in close third, their POV, to help get in their heads. That will be the best option.

Thanks for the advice:)
 
One of my main characters is in an arranged marriage with his fiancee. Their encounters are invariably verbal duels with them slinging insults back and forth.

But they "hate" each other because they resent the arranged marriage, and just see the other as the physical embodiment of that.

They "hate" each other as children, and reunite as young adults much later, and are attracted to each other, but by now it's like the principle of the thing, and they're too prideful to admit their feelings.
 
Benedick and Beatrice, Much Ado About Nothing

Rhett and Scarlett, Gone With the Wind

Zohra and Khardan, Rose of the Prophet
 

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