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hi guys

i've just finished one of the drafts (i forget what number) for a short story told in two different POV's and thought i'd put an excerpt up here to see whether it works or not. so i'd really like to hear any thoughts on combining the following POV's to tell the story, especially whether the "news" type POV works. i won't explain any more as i won't be able to stand at the reader's shoulder and point things out either. but, the POV's switch back and forth throughout the story although as it gets to the end, there's more from tony's POV...

so enjoy (i hope) and i look forward to your thoughts. apologies if the formatting hasn't worked - word 2010 seems to disagree with this forum...

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My name’s Tony Proctor, and I was walking Tootsie on Clapham Common when the ship appeared. And it did just appear. One second there was nothing, then Tootsie started yapping like mad and straining her little hairy body against the lead. The sky, which was pretty cloudy and dim for April, kind of shimmered and crackled.

Then the spaceship was there. It was just like the ones in those grainy fake (well I used to think they were fake) photos. Not thesaucer shaped ones, but the long ones that looked like cigars. It must have been about fifty metres long. I felt kind of bad because I knew this was apretty important thing, and there I was dressed in my old jeans and wellington boots with my hair not even brushed. If I was the first thing the aliens saw then I didn’t know what they would think. So I licked my hand and tried to smooth my hair down. Not that it did. Mum was right; it was definitely time for a haircut.

There were only two other people nearby at the time. After all, it was getting late and looked like rain. They were older than me, maybe early twenties, both in jeans and duffel coats, and had been hurrying through the common, arm in arm. The three of us (and Tootsie) kind of instinctively grouped together to look up at the dull grey thing above. Tootsie had gone quiet and didn’t pull at the lead any more.

“What’s that?” I asked, almost expecting a proper answer.

“Dunno kid,” The guy said quietly, glancing over and smiling. “But it sure is big.”

The ship came lower and lower and it began to block out what little light was left in the day. I could see that it wasn’t smooth metal on the outside, but instead was covered in lots of patches and lumpy things that stuck out of the side. It also didn’t really look like it had been built. I know that doesn’t make sense, and it’s hard to explain, but it almost looked like it had been grown. It came down right on top of us and, when it was about 30 metres above, I was sure we were going to get squashed. I looked over at the other two but they were just staring up at the spaceship. I was starting to get a bit scared. Not so much ofthe aliens, but more of getting flattened by their ship.

“Come on Tootsie.” I ordered, and tugged at the lead. But Tootsie refused to leave. “Shouldn’t we go?” I called to the couple, but they didn’t take their eyes of the ship and said nothing.

“Come on Tootsie!” I repeated, more urgently. But she wasn’t moving. I was about to start dragging her away when the ship stopped. It was only about 15 metres above us now, and we were standing well in its shadow. It was really dark.

Then there was a loud click and a hiss, and a crack of light shot out from the bottom of the ship. A circular piece of it began to breakaway. It was about 5 metres across and dropped towards the ground and, I’ll admit, I started to get scared of the aliens then. The bit coming out was actually a cylinder, not a circle, and the curved wall closest to us had an opening in it. Bright, pulsing light shone out and I could hear a strange humming sound. As soon as the cylinder touched the ground, the other two started to move towards it. Tootsie pulled hard on her lead, trying to follow them.

“Tootsie, no!” I ordered. She ignored me. “Hey where yougoin’?” I yelled to the two people, who were almost at the bright doorway. They ignored me too . Then Tootsie started to pull really hard on the lead. As the couple entered the doorway she actually managed to pull me forward a step or two. The two people disappeared into the light, and it continued to pulse and hum in, and I know this sounds silly, what I would have called a confused tone. After about 15 seconds, it suddenly went black, the cylinder began to rise, and Tootsie stopped pulling.

The cylinder had just clicked back into the ship when I heard the first sirens.

~


“The ships are approximately one hundred and fifty feet long, cylindrical and have appeared over London, Washington, Berlin, Beijing, Mumbai and Moscow.”

Dick Warbley shuffled papers and his serious face stared out at the camera from beneath slick, black hair. Behind him a photo of the alien spaceship hovered in the air above the newsdesk.

“So far there has been no contact or movement from any of the ships. They have all maintained a height of approximately one hundred metres above the ground, except for the ship over Clapham Common, which has settled at about fifteen metres. Huge crowds have formed in all locations as people wait for some kind of sign or signal from what are the very first visitors from another world to make themselves known to us here on Earth.”

Warbley flashed a smile at the camera before continuing. “We now go to Nick Holsom who is on the ground at the cordon surrounding Clapham Common…”
 
I can see the difference in the POV but oddly I can't hear it.

What I mean by that is that they both seem to be in reporting mode. For some reason I can't get close to Tony in this and I keep thinking that I should be closer to him than I am to Dick. They seem to be equidistant from me sounding almost the same.

Also the first part seems to be saturated in I's and I'm not sure how to get rid of some of them-but it was starting to grate.

I do recognize the conversational mode of Tony although some of his words belie that tone a bit. Or maybe its the lack of certain words that have been trimmed off the top.

such as:: And it did just appear. seems to be missing something or is too long.
It really did just appear.(I know some people don't like the ly words.)
It just appeared. (That might actually graphically demonstrate the abruptness of appearance.)
Then he goes on to belabor the point, but that accentuates the conversational tone.
 
Cheers tinkerdan

Tony's POV is meant to be conversational as he recounts what has happened, whereas the news reporting POV is meant to be more immediate (if that is the right word) and plant the reader more in the action of what is (or was) happening...

in terms of the I's, you're probably right and i think i could remove a few by removing some veil words...
 
The news report is fine, but the opening section doesn't seem right to me. The opening line looks off for a start; too rehearsed to be the transcript of an interview, and almost unnatural for a standard first person POV.

Having seen your last post I see you're going for conversational, so you'd need more hesitation, some umming and aahing etc.

The dialogue punctuation needs some tuning as well...

“Dunno kid,” The guy said quietly, glancing over and smiling.

should be: “Dunno kid,” the guy said quietly, glancing over and smiling.

“Come on Tootsie.” I ordered, and tugged at the lead.

should be: “Come on Tootsie,” I ordered, and tugged at the lead.



But the basic concept is sound. Interchanging two POVs can be very useful, so keep it up! Sorry I can't do more; I'm on the run here.
 
I read through this and enjoyed it without noticing any problems with either POV.

On re-reading, I can see the issues that Tnkerdan and Alchemist have identified. The first sentence seems rehearsed, which i think is okay by itself, as experiences do become rehearsed in re-telling. In contrast, however, the comments about his hair seem off-the-cuff.

Do you have a clear mental picture of his audience, and the circumstances in which he's telling the story? That might help with consistency in the POV.
 
hi guys

i've just finished one of the drafts (i forget what number) for a short story told in two different POV's and thought i'd put an excerpt up here to see whether it works or not. so i'd really like to hear any thoughts on combining the following POV's to tell the story, especially whether the "news" type POV works. i won't explain any more as i won't be able to stand at the reader's shoulder and point things out either. but, the POV's switch back and forth throughout the story although as it gets to the end, there's more from tony's POV...
Having more than one POV in a short story seems mildly unconventional.


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My name’s Tony Proctor, and I was walking Tootsie on Clapham Common when the ship appeared. And it did just appear. One second there was nothing, then Tootsie started yapping like mad and straining her little hairy body against the lead. The sky, which was pretty cloudy and dim for April, kind of shimmered and crackled.

Then the spaceship was there. It was just like the ones in those grainy fake (well I used to think they were fake) photos. Not thesaucer shaped ones, but the long ones that looked like cigars. It must have been about fifty metres long. I felt kind of bad because I knew this was apretty important thing, and there I was dressed in my old jeans and wellington boots with my hair not even brushed. If I was the first thing the aliens saw then I didn’t know what they would think. So I licked my hand and tried to smooth my hair down. Not that it did. Mum was right; it was definitely time for a haircut. It seems that we are not 'in' the story, so much as hearing Tony narrate this tale to someone else.
Impossible to regard this as other than a comic SF story. I hope that was the intention :)
There were only two other people nearby at the time. After all, it was getting late and looked like rain. They were older than me, maybe early twenties, both in jeans and duffel coats, and had been hurrying through the common, arm in arm. The three of us (and Tootsie) kind of instinctively grouped together to look up at the dull grey thing above. Tootsie had gone quiet and didn’t pull at the lead any more.

“What’s that?” I asked, almost expecting a proper answer.

“Dunno kid,” The guy said quietly, glancing over and smiling. “But it sure is big.”

The ship came lower and lower and it began to block out what little light was left in the day. I could see that it wasn’t smooth metal on the outside, but instead was covered in lots of patches and lumpy things that stuck out of the side. It also didn’t really look like it had been built. I know that doesn’t make sense, and it’s hard to explain, but it almost looked like it had been grown. It came down right on top of us and, when it was about 30 metres above, I was sure we were going to get squashed. I looked over at the other two but they were just staring up at the spaceship. I was starting to get a bit scared. Not so much ofthe aliens, but more of getting flattened by their ship.

“Come on Tootsie.” I ordered, and tugged at the lead. But Tootsie refused to leave. “Shouldn’t we go?” I called to the couple, but they didn’t take their eyes of the ship and said nothing.

“Come on Tootsie!” I repeated, more urgently. But she wasn’t moving. I was about to start dragging her away when the ship stopped. It was only about 15 metres above us now, and we were standing well in its shadow. It was really dark. Nitpick, but if it'a a modest 45 metres long it won't cast too much of a shadow underneath.

Then there was a loud click and a hiss, and a crack of light shot out from the bottom of the ship. A circular piece of it began to breakaway. It was about 5 metres across and dropped towards the ground and, I’ll admit, I started to get scared of the aliens then. The bit coming out was actually a cylinder, not a circle, and the curved wall closest to us had an opening in it. Bright, pulsing light shone out and I could hear a strange humming sound. As soon as the cylinder touched the ground, the other two started to move towards it. Tootsie pulled hard on her lead, trying to follow them.

“Tootsie, no!” I ordered. She ignored me. “Hey where yougoin’?” I yelled to the two people, who were almost at the bright doorway. They ignored me too . Then Tootsie started to pull really hard on the lead. As the couple entered the doorway she actually managed to pull me forward a step or two. The two people disappeared into the light, and it continued to pulse and hum in, and I know this sounds silly, what I would have called a confused tone. After about 15 seconds, it suddenly went black, the cylinder began to rise, and Tootsie stopped pulling. Nitpick, but if the ship is 45 metres long, the cylindrical lift at 5 metres in dia could be almost as wide as the hull.

The cylinder had just clicked back into the ship when I heard the first sirens.

~


“The ships are approximately one hundred and fifty feet long, cylindrical and have appeared over London, Washington, Berlin, Beijing, Mumbai and Moscow.” I don't see why you need to go to a second viewpoint. Tony could go home and check the TV news - an entirely plausible thing for him to do.

Dick Warbley shuffled papers and his serious face stared out at the camera from beneath slick, black hair. Behind him a photo of the alien spaceship hovered in the air above the newsdesk.

“So far there has been no contact or movement from any of the ships. They have all maintained a height of approximately one hundred metres above the ground, except for the ship over Clapham Common, which has settled at about fifteen metres. Huge crowds have formed in all locations as people wait for some kind of sign or signal from what are the very first visitors from another world to make themselves known to us here on Earth.”

Warbley flashed a smile at the camera before continuing. “We now go to Nick Holsom who is on the ground at the cordon surrounding Clapham Common…”
In the second half there is little clue as to the viewpoint, which is by default omniscient. I see no reason not to make it Tony's viewpoint, thus reducing the story viewpoints to a potential 1

I can't see anything to remark on in the prose or grammar, but you could make the ships bigger (45 metres for a spaceship seems a bit comic), and think about redrafting the whole thing so that it feels like live scenes of 1) the common and 2) at home checking the TV news, from Tony's point of view.
 
Hi Mr Orange,

This is my first ever critique ...

I enjoyed the first POV, noticeably more than the second one.

First POV

- The voice was generally believable and nice to listen to
- The first few words grated a little ... I would forget the name intro ... and go straight with "I was walking ..."
- What's with the hair obsession ... you mention it way too much (unless it is pertinent to the story ... are the aliens 'intergalactic hairdressers'?
- I really liked this phrase, "The three of us (and Tootsie) kind of instinctively grouped together to look up ... "
- I don't think that 50m would be at all big for a spaceship ... my opinion ... but the other guy on the common may have seen Star Wars / Start Trek / Independence Day ... they have big ships
- Tootsie is yapping and has a little hairy body ... but she managed to pull you towards the ship when you were scared ... probably not

but i liked it ... I must have done because I want to know what happened next

FibE
 
To give you perspective on the size the space shuttle orbiter is 37.237 m in long and 17.25 m high 23.79 m wingspan so it might make a tight landing craft.

An American football field is 110 m by ~48m
 
cheers for all the replies. only just got back to a computer so will try to address the points now.

the first line isn't actually a first line - i cut off the opening to reduce word count... the opening is actually:

The invasion, if you can even call it that, really started 24 years before the ships arrived in the sky. Of course no one knew that until afterwards. In fact, even after the ships had gone, very few people knew anything. The Prime Minister said that it was probably best they didn’t. I was still pretty mad at him for trying to hand me over to them, but I reckon he was right. Of course he knew the truth. And so did I.

But, I’m kind of getting ahead of myself. My name’s Tony Proctor, and I was walking Tootsie on Clapham Common when the ship appeared.

hopefully that makes it a bit less awkward

alchemist and titaniumti, thinking about what you guys have said about Tony's tone made me realise i haven't actually figured out how he is telling the story. i did originally want it as if he was telling the story to someone, but now i'm thinking it might work better if he was writing it down, just to keep a record of what happened. which means i will have to tweak the language a bit...

Cosmic Geoff, what do you mean by "comic SF"? Regarding the news scenes, this didn't seem like something Tony would relate in detail, so that is why i had it in a different POV. i just couldn't get it to sound right with him re-telling it

FibonacciEddie, thanks for the critique! the hair thing was meant to show Tony's character - aliens are landing but he is more distracted by his hair. the Tootsie pulling him thing was meant to illustrate how much Tootsie wanted to get into the ship and also that Tony may be under some kind of influence, like the other couple (but he resists it better)

regarding the spaceship size, it's been fluctuating like a yo-yo since i wrote the first draft - it was over 100m then, i reduced it down after i realised the aliens were probably a bit smaller than i had originally thought, but now i think i might have to increase it back to 100m to allow the action i have written that happens inside it... which also explains why the lift/cylinder diameter doesn't really match the ship size...

oh, and tinkerdan, i'm a Kiwi so you'll have to talk dimensions in rugby fields!


cheers for all the comments, plenty of good points to take on board :)
 
alchemist and titaniumti, thinking about what you guys have said about Tony's tone made me realise i haven't actually figured out how he is telling the story. i did originally want it as if he was telling the story to someone, but now i'm thinking it might work better if he was writing it down, just to keep a record of what happened. which means i will have to tweak the language a bit...

Cosmic Geoff, what do you mean by "comic SF"? Regarding the news scenes, this didn't seem like something Tony would relate in detail, so that is why i had it in a different POV. i just couldn't get it to sound right with him re-telling it

FibonacciEddie, thanks for the critique! the hair thing was meant to show Tony's character - aliens are landing but he is more distracted by his hair. the Tootsie pulling him thing was meant to illustrate how much Tootsie wanted to get into the ship and also that Tony may be under some kind of influence, like the other couple (but he resists it better)

In a first-person viewpoint narrative, I don't think that the 'told to' aspect has to be explicit or intrusive. I checked a couple of novels written in Ist person (The Birthgrave, and The Citadel of the Autarch) to confirn this impression. Some writers forget the 'told to' notion to the point of killing off the 1st person narrator (a potential violation of viewpoint, and not generally a good idea.)

Comic SF? In the same sense that TP's Diskworld novels are comic fantasy.
 
cheers Geoff, maybe i don't need to specifically explain who or how he is telling the story but i guess it will influence language etc within the narrative

wasn't sure whether you meant that kind of comic or a graphic novel / pulpy kind of comic SF... whilst there isn't too much comedy in the story, i think the telling of it could be classed in the serious terry pratchett style..
 
- Tootsie is yapping and has a little hairy body ... but she managed to pull you towards the ship when you were scared ... probably not

I wouldn't worry about that -- I have a Jack Russell, and she pulls like a husky on the leash. It's literally all I can do, sometimes, to hold her back.

I'm not entirely sure about the dog pulling TOWARD the spaceship, but then again, my dog tries with all her might to run out in the highway when cars are coming, so she can chase them. It's only when I want to go toward something, like to talk to the school bus driver, that she pulls like crazy away from it. :D
 
cheers TDZ, the dog is pulling towards the spaceship because the aliens have some sort of control over him and the other couple...
 
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