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You Wake Up and Find Yourself back In The 11th Century
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Lovely conversation.
A couple of thoughts.
There were substantial migrations of peoples who did not speak or recognize Latin or English. . Increasingly modern archeology using newly developed DNA techniques show that there large population movements from Scandinavia beyond the well known Viking raids and transitory settlements. Latin or English did - literally - not speak to these peoples.
In England alone you also have have Anglo-Saxon,, Welsh, Norman French, and Cornish.
Magyar, Moorish, Turkic and Mongol movements and settlements .all occurred shortly thereafter elsewhere in Europe.
adding to the pre-existing languages.
So where a traveler lands speaks to what you have to know.
Another thought . European invaders of the Americas wiped out the large majority of the indigenous people It is often forgotten that the main weapon of destruction was the Flu - with smallpox and other diseases also having an effect. Physical violence not needed'
People in the Americas had no resistance, Diseases mutate and spread . A traveler would probably be infectious with modern varieties never experienced wherever (s)he landed. Even in medieval times travelers were often shunned because they exposed people who generally did not travel far from their birthplace to exotic infection. This speaks to how any stranger might be received - for good reason.
A couple of thoughts.
There were substantial migrations of peoples who did not speak or recognize Latin or English. . Increasingly modern archeology using newly developed DNA techniques show that there large population movements from Scandinavia beyond the well known Viking raids and transitory settlements. Latin or English did - literally - not speak to these peoples.
In England alone you also have have Anglo-Saxon,, Welsh, Norman French, and Cornish.
Magyar, Moorish, Turkic and Mongol movements and settlements .all occurred shortly thereafter elsewhere in Europe.
adding to the pre-existing languages.
So where a traveler lands speaks to what you have to know.
Another thought . European invaders of the Americas wiped out the large majority of the indigenous people It is often forgotten that the main weapon of destruction was the Flu - with smallpox and other diseases also having an effect. Physical violence not needed'
People in the Americas had no resistance, Diseases mutate and spread . A traveler would probably be infectious with modern varieties never experienced wherever (s)he landed. Even in medieval times travelers were often shunned because they exposed people who generally did not travel far from their birthplace to exotic infection. This speaks to how any stranger might be received - for good reason.
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Including the NHS:
Gangrene - Treatment
Find out how gangrene is treated. The main priorities are to remove the affected tissue, treat or prevent infection and treat the problem that caused gangrene.
www.nhs.uk
That would have a huge impact.
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Here is a story of a pair of children that experienced exactly what we are talking about.
One of the interesting parts of the story is that even after a thorough investigation nobody was ever certain where they came from. Part of the discussion is that at that time there were countless communities of a few farmers each spread across England that had lived isolated for countless generations not worth the trouble for anyone before, during or since the Roman Occupation to attempt to tax and integrate into greater society.
Whether any of us would wish to claim to be from such a place is another topic of discussion.
The Green Children of Woolpit
The legend of the green children of Woolpit concerns two children of unusual skin colour who reportedly appeared in the village of Woolpit in Suffolk, England, sometime in the 12th century, perhaps during the reign of King Stephen (r. 1135–1154). The children, found to be brother and sister, were of generally normal appearance except for the green colour of their skin. They spoke in an unknown language and would eat only raw broad beans. Eventually, they learned to eat other food and lost their green colour, but the boy was sickly and died around the time of his and his sister's baptism. The girl adjusted to her new life, but she was considered to be "very wanton and impudent". After she learned to speak English, the girl explained that she and her brother had come from a land where the sun never shone, and the light was like twilight. According to one version of the story, she said that everything there was green; according to another, she said it was called Saint Martin's Land.
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One of the interesting parts of the story is that even after a thorough investigation nobody was ever certain where they came from. Part of the discussion is that at that time there were countless communities of a few farmers each spread across England that had lived isolated for countless generations not worth the trouble for anyone before, during or since the Roman Occupation to attempt to tax and integrate into greater society.
Whether any of us would wish to claim to be from such a place is another topic of discussion.
The Green Children of Woolpit
The legend of the green children of Woolpit concerns two children of unusual skin colour who reportedly appeared in the village of Woolpit in Suffolk, England, sometime in the 12th century, perhaps during the reign of King Stephen (r. 1135–1154). The children, found to be brother and sister, were of generally normal appearance except for the green colour of their skin. They spoke in an unknown language and would eat only raw broad beans. Eventually, they learned to eat other food and lost their green colour, but the boy was sickly and died around the time of his and his sister's baptism. The girl adjusted to her new life, but she was considered to be "very wanton and impudent". After she learned to speak English, the girl explained that she and her brother had come from a land where the sun never shone, and the light was like twilight. According to one version of the story, she said that everything there was green; according to another, she said it was called Saint Martin's Land.
Green children of Woolpit - Wikipedia
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They sound like Orions...
I thought that sounded familiar!Here is a story of a pair of children that experienced exactly what we are talking about.
One of the interesting parts of the story is that even after a thorough investigation nobody was ever certain where they came from. Part of the discussion is that at that time there were countless communities of a few farmers each spread across England that had lived isolated for countless generations not worth the trouble for anyone before, during or since the Roman Occupation to attempt to tax and integrate into greater society.
Whether any of us would wish to claim to be from such a place is another topic of discussion.
The Green Children of Woolpit
The legend of the green children of Woolpit concerns two children of unusual skin colour who reportedly appeared in the village of Woolpit in Suffolk, England, sometime in the 12th century, perhaps during the reign of King Stephen (r. 1135–1154). The children, found to be brother and sister, were of generally normal appearance except for the green colour of their skin. They spoke in an unknown language and would eat only raw broad beans. Eventually, they learned to eat other food and lost their green colour, but the boy was sickly and died around the time of his and his sister's baptism. The girl adjusted to her new life, but she was considered to be "very wanton and impudent". After she learned to speak English, the girl explained that she and her brother had come from a land where the sun never shone, and the light was like twilight. According to one version of the story, she said that everything there was green; according to another, she said it was called Saint Martin's Land.
Green children of Woolpit - Wikipedia
The Green Children of Woolpit: A Legend
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Just rewatched this a couple weeks ago. Poor Frenchy didn't think to do as he was told:
"Say I am a spy!"
"You are a spy"
And getting dysentery could mean death even if you had a strong constitution.
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Yes, it was the killer of king and commoner - Kings John and Henry V among them. It mattered not whether you were young, old or in the prime of life and it destroyed entire armies.
It's only a wonder that more didn't die in this awful way.
Bad Water , bad food, bad hygiene A litany of awfulness . One cannot help but feel sorry for them, at how difficult their lives were.
Well, kings tended to go to war, and dysentery was a prominent factor in death on campaign. It was less so in normal village (or town) life.
I have to disagree about the expectations regarding life span. We have plenty of sources that speak to this, and the age of adulthood, middle age, old age--name any of the seven or ten ages of man--and they map pretty closely to modern perceptions. Perceptions differ most, in fact, regarding childhood and adolescence.
While plenty of people died at various ages, this didn't mean that when someone died at 45 (e.g.), his neighbors all shrugged and said well he was pretty old, wasn't he. When Emperor Frederick I died on crusade, the chroniclers did not say he was over sixty and was really too old for such nonsense. Rather, they said he was foolish and died because he went straight into a cold river on a hot day.
The perceptions regarding what was old remain pretty constant across the centuries and across cultures (at least in Europe; I can't speak to other cultures).
None of that is meant to belittle the impact of the various diseases being discussed here, nor to try to argue that life wasn't tougher then than now. Far fewer people reached old age then than they do now. But that's a separate consideration from what was perceived (that is, reported in documents) as old age.
I have to disagree about the expectations regarding life span. We have plenty of sources that speak to this, and the age of adulthood, middle age, old age--name any of the seven or ten ages of man--and they map pretty closely to modern perceptions. Perceptions differ most, in fact, regarding childhood and adolescence.
While plenty of people died at various ages, this didn't mean that when someone died at 45 (e.g.), his neighbors all shrugged and said well he was pretty old, wasn't he. When Emperor Frederick I died on crusade, the chroniclers did not say he was over sixty and was really too old for such nonsense. Rather, they said he was foolish and died because he went straight into a cold river on a hot day.
The perceptions regarding what was old remain pretty constant across the centuries and across cultures (at least in Europe; I can't speak to other cultures).
None of that is meant to belittle the impact of the various diseases being discussed here, nor to try to argue that life wasn't tougher then than now. Far fewer people reached old age then than they do now. But that's a separate consideration from what was perceived (that is, reported in documents) as old age.
I'm inclined to think you might be more resitant to the more common bugs (smallpox, typhoid, etc.) but probably wouldn't fair too well with plague or dysentry and such. I've had more tetanus jabs than I care to count and spent a lot of time in India with all the bugs there but those stomach bugs still get you.
Plus fleas and lice and God knows what other parasites.
Agree with that last bit
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Imagine a stomach bug with medicine to ease the symptoms, no one with any proper medical knowledge to help you (in fact, as a stranger going back intime, no one at all to care for you) and any food/drink you take likely to exacerbate - rather than alleviate - your illness.
The likelihood is that after your first few meals, you would end up in a ditch slowly dying of cholera/typhoid/dysentry or simply untreated food poisoning.
Indeed. Dysentry is no joke. My ex-partner ended up in hospital with ameobic dysentry, while I've only experienced gardia and the like. You can be careful as you like but it is all too easy to pick up bugs in places with poor hygene, water, washing water, money, eating utensils, etc.
And even if you did find someone to help they would probably bleed you with leeches
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