Star Wars episode 7: The Force Awakens

SilentRoamer, I will read the review, but feel I must see the flick first. That may take more than a week in my case. As any might guess my plate becomes significantly fuller at this time of the year. --- Unfortunately that plate is not just metaphorical and my waist line is showing it.
 
Yes, it was great entertainment!
Certainly better than the prequels and had a similar style to the first trilogy. Good action, reasonably interesting characters, fun etc. It did rip off a lot of stories and scenes from the first trilogy but they were things that worked. There wasn't an overabundance of obvious cgi though the fact that they still show spaceship computer screens in monochrome was kind of funny. Possibly I found a few too many coincidences and corny bits so I would give it 4 stars rather than 5, but I will look forward to the next! I think if I watched it as a teenager it would have got 5 stars from me.
 
I enjoyed the heck out of it. New feel in some ways, but also reminiscent of the universe I remember loving so much. Definitely a thumbs up here. I didn't think the stories were recycled from A New Hope and whatnot, but rather....

to show the tragic cycle of master/student. Obi Wan takes on his first student: Anakin. Anakin falls to the dark side. Eventually, Obi Wan took on Luke who became a jedi and essentially redeemed Obi Wan's failure. Luke failed Ben/Ren. Rey shows up and will likely redeem her master's failings.

We went with a great crowd. Very lively. Lots of clapping and cheering.

I loved how all of the BS "damsel in distress" tropes were turned upside down a bit. Rey was a wonderful character. Finn too. Adam Driver utterly nailed his performance. Stunning. Just stunning.

As long as these were better than the prequels (which I actually didn't HATE, but didn't love), I said I'd be good. And my expectations were exceeded. :)
 
I enjoyed the heck out of it. New feel in some ways, but also reminiscent of the universe I remember loving so much. Definitely a thumbs up here. I didn't think the stories were recycled from A New Hope and whatnot, but rather....

to show the tragic cycle of master/student. Obi Wan takes on his first student: Anakin. Anakin falls to the dark side. Eventually, Obi Wan took on Luke who became a jedi and essentially redeemed Obi Wan's failure. Luke failed Ben/Ren. Rey shows up and will likely redeem her master's failings.

We went with a great crowd. Very lively. Lots of clapping and cheering.

I loved how all of the BS "damsel in distress" tropes were turned upside down a bit. Rey was a wonderful character. Finn too. Adam Driver utterly nailed his performance. Stunning. Just stunning.

As long as these were better than the prequels (which I actually didn't HATE, but didn't love), I said I'd be good. And my expectations were exceeded. :)

But does your spoiler not show that it's, actually, entirely a repeat? (Actually I saw it as a mirroring but a rather unsubtle one.)
 
Cyclical kind of implies that themes will be repeated? The way I've seen some other people talking, though, it's like "OMGZ I gots the nerd rage because this is EXACTLY A New Hope..."

And it's really not.
 
Cyclical kind of implies that themes will be repeated? The way I've seen some other people talking, though, it's like "OMGZ I gots the nerd rage because this is EXACTLY A New Hope..."

And it's really not.

It worked great for me this time around, and I enjoyed the nods to the original trilogy a lot. I do hope that the Ep VIII finds a new direction, though, and keeps away from doing similar. Perhaps having a different director will help in that regard. JJ does seem to be getting into the habit of repeating elements of previous stories, like this, or just ripping them off completely - like with Star Trek Into Darkness.

For now, though, I'm very happy with the way he's pumped life back into the series after the awful prequels. Perhaps I've just become used to modern blockbusters being devoid of characters, but I really enjoyed the quieter character-driven moments in this. BB8 had more character on its own that the entire prequel trilogy, and I thought Daisy Ridley and John Boyega were great.
 
I've managed to avoid almost all the spoilers until today and have just seen it. This was hard to do as even the adverts before the film had spoilers! Here is my review: I was going to post this yesterday evening but we had a power cut (yesterday was all very 1970's!) and I couldn't. Apologies that some people have already said the same thing in the meantime.

What can I say? It is deserving of being called a Star Wars film. It is good. Go and see it. I much prefer JJ Abrams did more of this than he ruined more Star Trek.

More than that, well it is much more like the original trilogy than the prequels. Launches straight into the action and good versus evil - no trade mission blockades and economic history here, just explosions and shoot outs. No Jar Jar Binks here. All that is good obviously, but maybe it has too many homages to Star Wars so that it actually is too much like the original Star Wars - even a parody of it. What I mean (and spoilers follow obviously) is desert planet, ice planet, jungle planet. An abandoned child who is strong in the force. A death-star like facility only much bigger (that's no Moon, it's a planet) with even a waste disposal facility. The Millennium Falcon flying down a tunnel but it isn't a creature. Master and Apprentice Dark Lords (hero fights the apprentice while the distant Dark Lord villain is kept on ice for a later film.) A Mos Eisley style bar. Much of this is completely intentional, either as a joke or homage, but I'll be a little harsher on it if the next two films don't introduce something new to the franchise.

I wondered why Han told them not to stare when entering the bar as it didn't seem very different to other bars we have visited in this Galaxy. My son thinks it was just to prevent any possible misunderstandings - of the "My friend doesn't like you!" kind. Even the band had musicians from the same race (maybe they are the only species who play music?) though they played different tunes (that old song is obviously no longer in the Charts.)

On the plus side - the attack on the 'not-the-death-star' was how the attack on the Death Star should have been if the special effects had been better (though it can never be the Death Star for me without those little messenger robots that go "der-der-dit-dit".) The creatures Han was carrying were interesting (like those in Men in Black.) I did wonder why they were so valuable that two rival groups wanted them? Also I loved the starship graveyard and the battle that took place there. I liked the explanation of why Stormtroopers no longer look like Jango Fett (however I couldn't help but think the Finn character was simply there to do the fight scenes Han Solo was too old for.) I like that the villain is family as it makes it more personal. (But what did happen to midi-chlorians if everyone 'strong in the Force' is now blood related?)

It does seem like anyone can use the Force now. Ben Solo made a pretty poor showing in his fight scenes, especially against Rey who had just picked up a lightsabre for the first time. I know that Ben didn't finish his training with Luke, but Rey has had no training at all. Why is he so evil? Killing his father in such a cold hearted way. He doesn't even have the excuse that his parents never loved him! And he has plenty of anger, but where did it come from? What did he fear that turned to anger that turned to hate?

So, the Force must be in pretty strong in Rey? My son thinks Rey is Luke's daughter, but I disagree. She must have some complicated back-story yet to appear but I don't subscribe to his idea that her parents left her behind on a desert planet because they (Luke) had it done to him and thought it only fair :whistle: Also, that would really start to make the Family History very complicated. Or maybe Anakin and Owen had another brother? The one they never talked about? Basically the whole seven films could have been sorted out on the Jeremy Kyle Show and the Galaxy Far Far Away saved all this trouble.

My other thoughts - that they didn't hold back on the "evil" imagery here - flaming crosses as lightsabres is very KKK and the Nazi-style rally with the red banners and lines of stormtroopers and a hysterical leader. The complete execution of a whole village simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I got the message very clearly that the Galaxy's governance had taken a very wrong turn and the First Order were not the good guys here. Very Black and White. I also thought it was dark. Maybe as dark as The Empire Strikes Back and given how that film still tops polls it may be intentional too. George Lucas said that all the films were written for 15-year-olds. I don't agree. The Phantom Menace was clearly for a younger audience, but this was for an older audience. Anyway, it is still suitable for all with parental guidance. No arms were lost in the making of this film! Just some of Harrison Ford's toes.

I only had one nit really. That was why did BB8 act like he had never seen R2D2 before and tried to wake him up? The Resistance Base was his home. He was the Droid of Leia's best pilot. He must have seen R2D2 most days he had been there. The part where they fitted the small map into the larger map was a little unconvincing too. Are they seriously telling us that they couldn't find Luke's planet from the position of the planets in the small map without having the larger map?

Luke must have been very bored on that little island (just steps to walk up and down all day and not even a house.) My son and I both couldn't help but think about the baby birds they killed while filming the scene (it was on BBC News.) Obviously Luke will train Rey, the new hope... er the awakened force... but he took an incredibly long time to just stand there, looking at her. Surely the Force had already told him she was on her way? Also, is Yoda going to appear as a small dodgy ghost to teach her too?

I see that a few people reflect what I have said, particularly that Ep VIII needs to find a new direction. I can accept it here because they wanted to show that this was a 'real' Star Wars film. They may have tried too hard and had too much fun with this.
 
So I saw it today, and my thoughts might get a little spoilery, so...

There was such a build up to this film, and I won't pretend I didn't have what were probably unrealistically high expectations, that I'm still not entirely sure what I think some six hours after walking out of the cinema.

It was an undeniably fun movie to watch. I didn't have a problem with the similarities and homages and straight rip-offs from the OT that a lot of other people seem to have had. And I did get those tell-tale chills a number of times - the opening fanfare, of course; the X-Wings tearing across the lake to Maz's castle/temple/bar; the Princess theme swelling as Rey and Leia share a moment on her return without Han. It was infinitely better than any of the prequels. It was not on the level of Empire or A New Hope. It may have been as good as Jedi. I do want to see it again, and I'd like to do so soon, to see how it sits second time around.

The problems I did have with it were mostly to do with muddy storytelling. I didn't mind the overall story and how it relied on some repetition of themes and relationships. My issue was with haphazard scene-setting. And this is probably a function of needing to set up a whole new trilogy, thirty years into the future. But I really wanted a little bit more depth. I didn't get how there was a Republic (with a Senate and everything), but also a Resistance - because the Republic doesn't want to publicly be seen to oppose the New Order? But if the New Order are so blatantly shady, then why not? All that kind of got ignored. Starkiller base was a head scratcher, too. Besides seeming even more of a bad idea than either Death Star, did it move from system to system to drain suns? But the first shots didn't seem to drain a sun, as I'm fairly sure it was still daytime when it fired (immediately after Hux's 'Evil! Evil! Evil! Oy! Oy! Oy!' speech. And then the Resistance's response seemed a little underwhelming - barely a squadron of X-Wings? I know they said the Republic fleet wasn't available (destroyed, or just too distant?) They couldn't seriously rustle up some more ships than that? No Y-Wings or B-Wings sitting around available for what was really a bombing mission?

Still, cool dogfights though, on the whole. Things I liked: the new characters, all three of whom were well-drawn and performed (I did have my doubts about Daisy Ridley based on the previews...). BB-8, who I also had doubts about. The music. The practical effects. All the nostalgia. So much nostalgia.

I'm keen to see where this goes, particularly in how they use Luke. New director should mean a new style, and I'm hoping we get a distinct ANH-to-Empire kind of transition. I've no doubt I'll get super-psyched in the lead-up to release once again (when's the first trailer drop? Anybody?) But for now I think I'm more excited for Rogue One than I am for Episode VIII.
 
hmmm, while I had some problems with worldbuilding, much like Cul (and had real difficulties with time-lapse in space elements) my problems were on the character level:

Finn - he was so obviously a stormtrooper in doubt - why on earth did he not get picked up? For a militaristic force his behaviour should have been an immediate lock down.

But my biggest problem was Ben/Ren. Firstly, he looked like nothing Han and Leia would have produced - no resemblance to either of them. But, also, I wasn't bought into why Han would risk everything for him. He was unlikeable, shallow and weak. And yes, I know parents will do -supposedly - anything for their kids but the viewer has to buy into that. I needed something to show me the boy he'd once been. A flashback, something in his character, anything. As it stood, the pivotal moment - the losing of a central character - wasn't bought into for me.

I also thought Poe was weak and poorly acted, but I have high standards for sexy space pilots :D

On a better note, Chewie was fab. The only character to keep his head and act in a half-sensible fashion throughout. I am a wookie-fangirl.
 
hmmm, while I had some problems with worldbuilding, much like Cul (and had real difficulties with time-lapse in space elements) my problems were on the character level:

Finn - he was so obviously a stormtrooper in doubt - why on earth did he not get picked up? For a militaristic force his behaviour should have been an immediate lock down.

But he was - it was said he'd been put into rehabilitation before he made the escape.



I also thought Poe was weak and poorly acted, but I have high standards for sexy space pilots :D

Can't agree with that at all - Oscar Isaac is an excellent actor (see 'Show Me A Hero') and I thought he did a great job.

I don't think Poe was weak at all - he fought Ren's interrogation to the very limit.
 
But he was - it was said he'd been put into rehabilitation before he made the escape.





Can't agree with that at all - Oscar Isaac is an excellent actor (see 'Show Me A Hero') and I thought he did a great job.

I don't think Poe was weak at all - he fought Ren's interrogation to the very limit.

We might have to agree to differ on Poe. ;) re the other - what I meant was, in the OT we knew it took time to travel through hyperspace, and that was factored into the story. Here, it seemed to happen instantaneously - the ships were where they needed to be, when. The sense of things happening in that time, the story moving on while space was traversed, seemed missing to me.
 
I don't know that's Poe's characterisation was weak - I felt more that he was drawn as somewhat of a shallow, Top Gun-esque, 'best of the best' fighter pilot, with room to grow in future movies. And I didn't have a problem with the actor, although I feel the scripting could have been sharpened in places. It wasn't prequel bad, but some lines were just not particularly natural sounding.

re the other - what I meant was, in the OT we knew it took time to travel through hyperspace, and that was factored into the story. Here, it seemed to happen instantaneously - the ships were where they needed to be, when. The sense of things happening in that time, the story moving on while space was traversed, seemed missing to me.

Agreed on this point. The star map showing where Luke was gave the appearance of enormity (why else would missing such a small section still mean they had no clue where to find him?) yet every destination they went to seemed just a skip away from the last. Particularly
the initial firing of Starkiller base - how could they possibly have seen those other worlds in other star systems being struck in real-time? It would be like if Han and Luke had seen Alderaan blow up in the sky over Tatooine in ANH.
 
Well its 3 am UK time and I just came home from the advanced screening. :) I am happy.

Very very spoilery review going up on SFFDen tomorrow - with spoilers on the side and an extra portion of spoilers for good measure. Ill post the link in blog threads tomorrow.

It sounds like JJ Abrams pulled it off. :cool: I can't wait to see it.:)
 
re the other - what I meant was, in the OT we knew it took time to travel through hyperspace, and that was factored into the story. Here, it seemed to happen instantaneously - the ships were where they needed to be, when. The sense of things happening in that time, the story moving on while space was traversed, seemed missing to me.

I'm not quite sure how that relates to what you originally said, or to my reply, which was purely about the characterisation of Poe and the quality of the actor.

On this particular point, though, I did notice - but it didn't bother me in the slightest.
 
Finally can read this thread again! Managed to see Force Awakens without seeing any spoilers, adverts, articles, or images (due to lots of looking away and closing my ears!).

Made sure my expectations were muted - was hoping for an enjoyable film. And it delivered. There were a few WTF?? moments, but they were few, the pace was great, and the effects superb. Very derivative of the original trilogy, but I guess they had to be to show a sense of continuity from them and a distance from the prequels - and the improved special effects meant it opened a bigger window on what could have been before.

In general, a great return to the original trilogy. Though it's never going to hold the same sense of childhood excitement as when we watched the originals, I think the statement has clearly been made that the new films are a return to form and substance, with similar weaknesses and overall strengths.
 
A few more thoughts on this and following films.
Hans Solo and Chewy's appearance was quite a coincidence wasn't it! I'm kind of glad of Hans Solo's ending in this film (though reminded me of Obi Wan) as although entertaining he does it ham it up a bit. They can move on more with the next film and hopefully have a bit less nostalgia, as good as it was. Presumably though there will be some more elements of previous films thrown in. I would expect Kylo to be killed off next film and then the Supreme Leader (another Emperor clone) to go last film. Though I suppose there is a slight chance of Kylo still being turned good, but it seems the Supreme Leader will have made sure he stays dark. I'm unsure why so many characters wear masks if they don't even filter out toxins. Just for appearance.
Rey is surely Luke's daughter. No idea on the mother.
 
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