The Effects of Extreme Cold (Sudden and Long-Term)?

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I have something in preparation, and, unusually for me, I can't find anything suitably definitive on t'WWW. (Which, of course, means it's out there - and obvious - and I missed it.)

So, have any of you fine folk come across any sites or pages that deal with this topic? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Specifically, we're talking a radiant effect similar to a localised advent of deep winter, with temperatures ranging from Antarctic to liquid nitrogen. In addition, there are moments of 'ice storm flamethrower', with temperatures nearer to the liquid nitrogen end of the range, and a windspeed around 120mph.
 
temperatures ranging from Antarctic to liquid nitrogen

That's a huge range - you're talking from about -50 Celsius to over -200. But the freezing of nitrogen on earth I don't think is possible under natural conditions, so IMO you're better looking for examples among the outer planets and their moons. Doesn't Triton have nitrogen geysers? Might be a place to start. :)
 
Insane as it may sound, there is a cosmetic procedure that involves brief full-body exposure to temperatures of -100 Celsius or maybe a little below. It needs preparation though, the main part of it being the wearing of insulating shoes. "Brief" is about 30 seconds.

Just one provider: http://www.cryohealthcare.com/whole-body-cryotherapy/

This is very carefully controlled however. In particular, no wind chill.
 
120 mph -200C would pretty much be deadly, I think any kind of insulated suit would need to be like a vacuum flask to give protection.
Seriously gives new depth to idea of "wind chill". Steel would be as brittle as ceramic tiles.
 
This puts me in mind of the "Three hundred Club." A club purportedly started by scientist in Antarctica. When it was 100 below (f), people would go to the sauna and crank it up to 200 (f) then run outside in their boots, only their boots, to gain admittance to this rather exclusive club. ---- Could this be fatal to some floppy appendages?
 
Hi,

Are you asking about the health effects of this sort of temperature range? The human ability to survive? Or what uch a place would be like - weather wise?

Cheers, Greg.
 
Apologies.

I'm talking about something supernatural that radiates winter and uses cold as a weapon. The liquid nitrogen aspect is to show just how chilly this entity can make it when goaded - or needing to make a point.
 
It's a point likely few if any survive.
200mph on its own is devastating. Energy of wind is roughly a cube law!
At least the air will be dry when it hits. Even the CO2 will have precipitated and the horizontal rain will be liquid nitrogen drops like shot gun pellets.
 
Wind is 'only' about 120mph, but the blast is indeed in the -200 degC range.

The cold effects are what interest me. Steel becomes brittle, humans become biocicles, glass shatters... and?

It's the direct effect stuff I'm after. If the man is trying to escape the monster, at what point will the cold physically impair him? Will a -25degC zone knock him down, or does it need to be colder?

At what point does it become so cold that it is lethal to step 'across the threshold'? Will a frozen solid rubber tyre shatter under the vehicles weight?

If a zone has been 'flash frozen', what traces will be left the following day? Will the grass be black or exploded greenish sludge? Have the trees burst? Etc.
 
someone wrote a short story about it getting so cold that the atmosphere froze and was trapped in layers of frozen ice pellets that the pod of survivers hadto go out and shovel into buckets to get a bucket of qxygen to throw on their fire for air.

if it werethat cold in a blastfromthis creature, there would be a 'halo'effect from the blast, wherein the frozen air would capsulize around the biomatter. think of an icestorm. the stuff frozen within, and no real harm done. this is why peach growers spray water into the air if there is tobe a freeze, to immitate these conditions. the blossom or fruit is saved in most cases with any luck.

as for people. look up what happens during the cosmetic proceedure in the cryo tank. its interesting reading and will give you accurate descriptions of the physical effects of generalized contact in areas.
as for directed freezing super freezing will stop your heart. it will cause a superburn to your flesh, first stiffening then whitening then blackening this will feel like being stabbed. stepping into cold will stiffen you up. your muscles stop moving. think of your foot being asleep only its turned to rock. you could actually break your leg or even lose an appendage and never feel it.
your core temperature goes down then you get sleepy.. its a kind of intoxication. it you sleep
then your brain will shut down and you'll never wake..some people go the opposite effect when they get too cold their body interprets the itching and burning of cell death to be overheating. they strip down. they will walk out into the snow without clothes because their body feels like its on fire.
as for tires,, yes they explode.. have to use caterpillar tracks..
sludge yes just like in your freezer.
your lungs would freeze first.. then your eyes.
trees most definately have burst .. in most cases exploding..
at minus 25 exposed flesh would freeze in seconds. red and stiff...as i said eyes are cruscial. ifyou are blind then you are definately handicapped. the frozen outer layer of the eye will rebuild given the right conditions.
at minus twentyfive you could still function if you are carefull.. its minus fifty to seventy that is where your hands don't work after a few secondss even in gloves.. feet will never forgive you either.. but you can still walkon them.
after seventy your muscles stiffen in seconds.. you must keep moving. your lips and face are frozen and burnt. breathing hurts. your hands wont work.. icikes hang off you from your breath and its snotsicle weather, to be graphic. your nose to keep your lungs from freezing makes a moisture barrier,of mucus.
 
Solid info, jastius. Thank you.
 
Hi,

So we're talking Mr Freeze from bats?

OK lets look at the basics of such a weapon(?) Cold can kill in a number of ways, but the normal one that gets people is hypothermia, and that requires no such cold temperatures. Just enough for the core body temperature to fall so that it no longer works. People die from being out in the woods overnight with thin clothing at temperatures well above freezing.

Your guy won't be killing through hypothermia as far as I can see. His polar blasts would actually be freezing flesh. And frozen flesh basically dies. If you've ever seen freezer burn on a steak you'll have some idea of what I'm talking about. Essentially ice crystals form in the flesh and rupture the cells, so that what is frozen becomes dead flesh. On warming a piece of freezer burned flesh you'll see that it's basically white and pale. The cells have been ruptured so that none of the liquids remain in them. Now freezer burn is similar in its effects on flesh to regular burns, in that too much damage over too much body kills. The reason, ruptured cells are lysed by certain chemicals in them. Those chemicals if released in too large an amount, will lyse healthy cells as well, leaving you with a dead man. This is a sort of toxic shock which kills many burns victims.

There's also a condition called hypothermic shock. This is what kills swimmers in cold water so very quickly. In essence the body instantly reacts / over reacts to the cold temperatures and draws blood away from the extremities leaving hands and feet white while the warm blood is kept in the body core to keep vital organs working. This strategy works well if you can get out of the cold. But unfortunately if you can't, your limbs essentially stop working. So this is your numb fingers and feet. Muscles need blood supplies to work, and if it's cut off, they don't. This is why those suffering from hypothermia often lose the ability to walk etc and can no longer make it to shelter.

Also your guy's weapon would overcome many natural defences against cold. In essence your body loses heat according to a couple of simple physics principals. In essence heat loss is proportional to the area exposed to the cold, the temperature differential, and inversely proportional to any insulation. Nature works with this, designing cold dwelling creatures to have shorter thicker limbs (More volume to surface area on the organism - see the body morphology of eskimos versus negros) and by adding insulation - blubber and fur. Polar bear fur which is remarkably insulative works by trapping a layer of air against the skin. If your weapon comes with wind that can ruffle fur, it will rob the poor old bear of his protection against the cold. In addition to which the wind means that by standing still a person can no longer be surrounded by warmer air as he would be in calm air. In essence a person standing still in calm air, radiates a little heat into the air, but the air surrounding him stays warmer. Thus he sits in a sort of insulative bubble. Blow that air away and his skin is always exposed to the freshest coldest air. This is the wind chill factor in action and why you feel the cold more in windy places.

Hope that helps.

Cheers, Greg.
 
Running directly into a 200 mph wind tho.... would create friction, generating heat? Could save one's life.
It is so cold here today that even the bears are wearing gloves n' toques.
 
Hi,

Running into a two thousand mph headwind might create enough friction. Two hundred not so much. Planes don't generally overheat because of their velocity.

Cheers, Greg.
 
Only supersonic aircraft have heating effect. That's why Concorde used a lot of Titanium rather than Aluminium on leading surfaces.
At one atmosphere and 20 C speed of sound 343 metres per second (faster in denser mediums I think).
= 1234.8 km /h = 771.75 mph
Concorde about Mach 2.04 (~2,179 km/h or 1,354 mph) cruising speed.

But if the temperature was closer to -200 C than -20 C, then metal fatigue would have been a bigger issue, heating would not have been.

Brittle fracture of Liberty Ships due to cold (1,500 instances)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship

It may have been a contributory factor to Comet Metal Fatigue.
(There is an Interesting Neville Shute book that explores this idea).
 
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Since this whole concept likely involves some sort of cryogenic material which is most likely to be in liquid form there are a lot of considerations to be examined in safety and deployment.

Dry ice which is the one I'm most familiar with is the one that I know is easiest to handle and that is not that easy to handle. When exposed to air it quickly dissipates into gas. The same is true of the other cryogenic that I know of. For that reason many are stored in a vacuum chamber. Most vacuum chambers are not efficient enough to contain them without some loss and danger. They have safety valves to let off the pressure caused by out-gassing which is almost impossible[presently]to completely stop. Without a safety valve the vacuum chamber would eventually explode.

That doesn't take into account that when these are used it's in a very controlled environment. Sometime something similar to a wind tunnel where the air can be regulated to maximize the efficiency of the material being used.

I'm assuming that this scenario happens in standard air temps and conditions. So for any sort of efficiency they would need to create a sort of controlled environmental effect that would be similar to the cryo wind chamber used to flash freeze, which then might lead to flash freezing. Otherwise the dissipation of the material would likely be such that a massive amount would need to be used to create the desired effect which would be stronger the closer it is to the source and minimize as it spread out. Which might mean that the person deploying it would be the most affected leaving others with varying degrees of frostbite and possible exposure to dangerous gasses.

So maybe you could store this all in some sort of massive container in space[vacuum]and deploy it with a dimensional rift or tear that you could shape around the target; but wait, if you could do that then you could just as well use the hole to suck them in to space and be done with it.
 
If I recall, a naked human can keep their core temperature stable between 0 to -5 Celsius so long as they can shiver. Once their muscles become fatigued they become less effective at shivering and the core temperature will eventually drop leaving you in a whole heap of trouble.
 
This is ALL good stuff. Thank you, and keep it coming, if you don't mind.
 

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