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Root says the team needs to recruit members. I think she's right. It might take more than four to save the world.

POI keeps presenting possible stand-ins for the missing Shaw – Dani, Claire, Zoe and, the latest, Harper – yet, no one is joining. Are the POI producers just teasing us?
 
I heard a theory that every number team Machine has ever received represents an important player to some degree or other. We saw some reappearances last season when Root assembled her team to plant the bug in Samaritan hardware that allows our guys to evade detection.

I was just writing in the previous episode thread about Claire and Control both being closely tied into Samaritan, but with Finch's words in their minds now, concerning Samaritan's end game. Could Harper return and play an important role, yeah definitely.. we shall see!!

Interesting to see the marijuana dispensary tie in to organised crime. I wonder if it's true that the banks don't want their business? Seems unlikely to me, but I don't know much about how the US State/Federal system works in these cases.

Good to see John and Dominic facing off, and reaching agreement. The writers do a good job with the gangsters/corrupt cops etc, but I'm much more interested in the AI side of things.
 
I wasn't going to say anything on the last couple of episodes because, for whatever reason, I just wasn't overwhelmed by them and didn't have much to say but you guys' comments here sparked some things.

Interesting to see the marijuana dispensary tie in to organised crime. I wonder if it's true that the banks don't want their business? Seems unlikely to me, but I don't know much about how the US State/Federal system works in these cases.

To the best of my own understanding, the "it's legal in some states (and DC, I think) and illegal under Federal law so the banks don't deal and it's a cash business" is all true, though the major reason for it is state taxes and it being in cash must make it interesting to collect the full taxes. The tie to organized crime is a reasonable extrapolation but, so far as I know, is used for dramatic purposes rather than reflecting current reality. IMO, there are pros and cons to this but it will probably net more tax revenue with fewer downsides than tobacco or alcohol and, if that turns out to be the case, eventually the Feds will want the revenue, too, and it'll all be legal throughout and handled like anything else. Right now this is just being tested in the state "labs", though, so it's in a weird phase.

Good to see John and Dominic facing off, and reaching agreement. The writers do a good job with the gangsters/corrupt cops etc, but I'm much more interested in the AI side of things.

I was thinking about this very point: the HR/Elias-type episodes were great along with the occasional "wider conspiracy" eps but then you could reasonably go back to the standard weekly persons of interest. The odd thing is that, while the Samaritan story line has the potential for greatness, it kind of undercuts the premise of the entire show and ruins the standard person of interest episodes. The show was originally about the "irrelevant". The problem is that, in the context of Samaritan, they really do seem irrelevant. What profit to save a soul and lose the world? ;) So the idea that they may not, in fact, be irrelevant (any more), but part of The Machine's own recruiting process to combat Samaritan would make sense but they need to make this explicit very soon or have the standard episodes seem like more of a letdown relative to the main arc than they should.

But this sort of makes me actually miss the old little days of two guys saving the "irrelevant". (Still, given where we're at, I'd rather they opened it up, generally speaking.)

Root says the team needs to recruit members. I think she's right. It might take more than four to save the world.

Yeah, but this makes explicit what's actually a flaw in the show. They always should have had a vast organization saving irrelevant people all the time all over the world (though, for real-world reasons, they usually save people only in NYC). The idea that they don't do it this way because people can't know about The Machine, etc., is proved silly by the show's own internal logic in that the Samaritan organization (and Control) exists. And it wasn't that Harold didn't have money (even if times are tight now). So, given all that, I wished they'd have not said anything about it and just kept it small. But, as I say, if not, then make it BIG. Fast.
 
Root says the team needs to recruit members. I think she's right. It might take more than four to save the world. POI keeps presenting possible stand-ins for the missing Shaw – Dani, Claire, Zoe and, the latest, Harper – yet, no one is joining. Are the POI producers just teasing us?
We saw some reappearances last season when Root assembled her team to plant the bug in Samaritan hardware that allows our guys to evade detection.
I also wondered about this. Also, why most recent numbers seem to be single, young women with no family ties. Maybe they are bigger risk takers and their numbers would come up more often, but I'd have thought desperate criminals were more likely to be older, possibly married or divorced, men with lots of baggage and issues from a longer, more complicated, life. Unless the machine has some ulterior motive to recruit a team of these young, grifters and hackers.

They are also teasing us by making us believe they "going on the offensive" or as J-Sun says "making it big, fast." They had a "cold War" that never got warmer than last week's stew. This week it was some App that was a red herring when the real purpose was to get Root into a team developing some security software.
We saw some reappearances last season when Root assembled her team to plant the bug in Samaritan hardware that allows our guys to evade detection.
Is that all those additional servers did? I was expecting more to them than that, but nothing more has been mentioned so, you are probably correct.
The writers do a good job with the gangsters/corrupt cops etc, but I'm much more interested in the AI side of things.
I also like the whole AI/government conspiracy theory thing too, but remember that for the first few seasons this was really just a police procedural show with a twist, so they do tend to slip back into that mode from time to time. I also agree with what J-Sun said regarding the "irrelevant" numbers. However, the whole premise of this show changed when Samaritan went live and right now they are still fiddling while Rome burns or rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic unless they make bigger plans.
 
the whole premise of this show changed when Samaritan went live and right now they are still fiddling while Rome burns or rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic unless they make bigger plans.
Very true. But it's far from clear what can be done? Harold has tried to get Control on-side, and that may bear fruit. But Samaritan is ambivalent to the collateral damage it causes in pursuit of it's goals but our guys are struggling to hold on to their morals.

I was intrigued by Root's insertion of herself into the software company. The proto-Zuckerberg in charge seemed to be her main target?
 
The show was originally about the "irrelevant". The problem is that, in the context of Samaritan, they really do seem irrelevant. What profit to save a soul and lose the world? ;)
This is very much the case, and serves to highlight the struggle between pursuing the numbers vs the bigger picture. Hence ever more often the number that Finch gets, is someone relevant to the AI war, yet still irrelevant to national security.

Yeah, but this makes explicit what's actually a flaw in the show. They always should have had a vast organization saving irrelevant people all the time all over the world (though, for real-world reasons, they usually save people only in NYC). The idea that they don't do it this way because people can't know about The Machine, etc., is proved silly by the show's own internal logic in that the Samaritan organization (and Control) exists. And it wasn't that Harold didn't have money (even if times are tight now). So, given all that, I wished they'd have not said anything about it and just kept it small. But, as I say, if not, then make it BIG. Fast.

Definitely the "real world" issues at play here. At best we get the occasional trip upstate, and very occasionally abroad. But the show has to stay grounded in NYC mostly. But at least Root brought some tea back from Sri Lanka!
 
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