Why Have Westerns In Cinema and TV Fallen out of Favor With Movie Audiences ?

Yeah, but I remember thousands of paperbacks with titles like that, and Louis Lamour and Zane Gray and pulps and just more westerns'n you could point a sixgun at. We start with a lone rider, near dead, then he gets to th' waterhole, and it's been pizzened! ... Clint Eastwood seems to be the last good 'un.
 
Yeah, but I remember thousands of paperbacks with titles like that, and Louis Lamour and Zane Gray and pulps and just more westerns'n you could point a sixgun at. We start with a lone rider, near dead, then he gets to th' waterhole, and it's been pizzened! ... Clint Eastwood seems to be the last good 'un.

Some early ones were more than just oaters. The Big Trail, for instance was filmed in a widescreen format and then shown on the few screens in the U.S. that could accommodate it. One of John Wayne's earliest roles. With Tyrone Power, senior as the arch villain. Lots of bucks spent in something of a cutting edge project for the year (1930). Ultimately, it didn't get any steam until the Cinemascope movies of the 1950s. Certainly worth a watch if you can manage it.
 
With Westworld doing well and the theoretical Dark Tower flick supposedly on the way, the flavor of the Western might still be preserved. I know neither of these are strictly westerns, but they're close enough for me.
 
Hell on Wheels , an excellent tv series.(y)
 
It all depends on the creators doing it today and who are they today?

Also Hollywood is money chasing place, they see some genres lose in popularity, in pop culture because others like Science fiction blockbusters are more popular than ever,some other old popular film genres has to lose for another to gain. Superhero,SF movies dominate Hollywood.


Magnificent 7 was a strong movie, Hell on Wheels was excellent recent series. It depends on the creators involved because so good, hailed like Clint Eastwood that almost on his own made the genre survive in Hollywood 1970-1992. Where is the Eastwood actor, director quality today? Most westerns i see today are easy Hallmark tv quality types or rare decent mini series that are from cable channels.

Old Keven Costner types in leading roles today are far from Cary Cooper, Henry Ford, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, William Holden, Leo Van Cleef, Yul Brenner, Clint Eastwood, Franco Nero etc

Western vein,feel is all over new SF shows,films like the mentioned Westworld, Dark Tower of course. Its a rich tradition to use.
 
Is it possible that what we are seeing is a sea change in the public attitude about what makes a hero? The Western go to, was one ordinary dedicated man against the forces of evil who was able to prevail. Now I don't believe the mass psyche believes that is possible. If you are going to be a "one against the world" you have to have Super Powers! ---- Added to that, perhaps even more important ---- We've come to the very unenviable conclusion that people who are trying to do right just aren't that interesting. We want to see how evil works itself out in a life.
 
Going back to the start of this thread, I personally feel it was when people started getting pc in late sixties / early seventies.
There seemed to be a lot of popular psychology of the time advocating that giving kids toy guns promoted gun violence in later life. Youngsters then found themselves sitting with motivational shows instead of growing up to Wagon Train, Bonanza and Rawhide.
By the time they got to adulthood a Western was deemed 'old school and boring', they wanted lots of colour and movement.
Isn't that what a lot of CGI films now provide?
As I said this is just my opinion
 
Although I'm the right age I did not grow up watching Westerns. My mom being a good Christian outlawed them in our house until I was about 12. And perhaps disproving your point, I do like a good Western. I could go for "A Fist Full of Dollars" or "High Plains Drifter" right now.
 
Gunsmoke Mat Dillion and the Gang , I love this show. Great writing and top notch acting. :cool:

The Wild Wild West I own the whole series on dvd . Scfi steam Western . This show never gets old. :cool:
 
Gunsmoke Mat Dillion and the Gang , I love this show. Great writing and top notch acting. :cool:

The Wild Wild West I own the whole series on dvd . Scfi steam Western . This show never gets old. :cool:

Gunsmoke was great. I think I probably saw 2 dozen episodes. But The Wild, Wild West was another matter all together. I was old enough by then and I loved the spy aspect. I never thought of it as a S.F. steam Western, but that's an inspired call.
 
Yeah its shame as to my eye its a very solid film - heck even Harrison Ford does really well in it (he fits in this film as opposed to his attempts to rebook Han and Indy where he's just too old to really give those roles justice in the same way he once did). Sadly I think the film was just a touch too niche to work - it would have worked stronger with the same cast done as a long running TV series. Sadly I doubt it would have gotten the budget to survive that long.
Now I think about it, I believe I'd say that this film might well have done much better had it been given a less garish title... "Cowboys and Aliens" has to have rubbed many people the wrong way -- that title would have driven many away. So much more could have been done...
 
With Westworld doing well and the theoretical Dark Tower flick supposedly on the way, the flavor of the Western might still be preserved. I know neither of these are strictly westerns, but they're close enough for me.
They're not close enough for me. I just cannot think of either Westworld or Dark Tower as Westerns; they're simply SF/F placed in a Western or Western-parody setting.
 
Going back to the start of this thread, I personally feel it was when people started getting pc in late sixties / early seventies.
There seemed to be a lot of popular psychology of the time advocating that giving kids toy guns promoted gun violence in later life. Youngsters then found themselves sitting with motivational shows instead of growing up to Wagon Train, Bonanza and Rawhide.
By the time they got to adulthood a Western was deemed 'old school and boring', they wanted lots of colour and movement.
Isn't that what a lot of CGI films now provide?
As I said this is just my opinion

As an opinion that is either contrary, or at least sideways, to yours, how about this?
I have always believed (well, "always" since I started having a liking for contemplation...) that a large part of the popularity of the Western genre came out of the fact that many, very many -- if not most -- Americans were once closer to the land than are we today... There was a time when most Americans lived close to the soil, were involved in raising animals, maybe even had horses -- or, if they lived in a city, had memories of living on farms and ranches in their younger days. So much of the Western scenery used to be more familiar to people than it is today.
Add to that the fact that in those same days, there was no TV and -- for much of the relevant time period -- either little or no movies, radio, etc. Yet people who lived too far from towns to easily go there for entertainment, often resorted to books and magazines to put something interesting into their lives. And those sources of entertainment did things that made the country dweller see excitement going on in a world much like his own...

The Western faded out, yes. In part, imho, that was because everyone had seen it...over and over again. People are always looking for something new.
But it's also somewhat true that the Western is still there, metamorphosed. It underwent a...well, forgive me, but I'd call it a "sea change." It shed many of its trappings, but the things that made it exciting still shows up now and again...but it's in modern garb.

Think about many of the exciting movies you've watched in the last couple of decades. Some of them, I suggest, would have been Westerns, sixty years ago... The Avengers? Think Magnificent Seven... Captain America: Civil War? Think of any Western you remember with a lone hero who, in standing up for his principles, ran afoul of the powerful...

(You may by now suspect that for me, the Western is as much about a certain kind of character, as about horses, gun, cow-punching...
 
Of the more blatant rip off of westerns has to be Outland with Sean Connery. What is this film if not High Noon in space?
 
My impression is that it's cyclical. I never thought we'd see a big Holyywood musical again, but La La Land was enormously succesful, and I'll bet we see other muscials in the next few years.

We've had Deadwood and Hell on Wheels in the last ten or so years. And Tarantino has made a few westerns that were fairly successful. I think the public loses interest when saturated by a genre, but then through nostalgia, becomes curious again a generation or so on. I think the struggle might be to bring new generations into an old, seemingly-stale type of film. So new vision/voices might also be required to rejuvenate a genre.
 

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