6.10: The Walking Dead - The Next World

[SilentRoamer]

Carol and Darryl are never going to go further I don't think.

I saw it as this - Darryl was a tragic figure from an abusive childhood, Carol was a tragic figure from an abusive marriage. They founf solace and comfort in each other, Darryl in Carols kindness and concern and Carol in Darryls gruff but caring nature.

I never saw a romance just a lot of love.

 

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[Ste-Pe]

Anyone on board with the Daryl is gay idea? Had a very hetero upbringing and just doesn't know how to deal with his own sexuality. That's why he's so drawn to carol, he can see she's been through a lot; she's had to hide a secret too (in her case an abusive husband)

 

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Daryl is gay

No

 

[REBerg]

So, that's the music that was in my head as I watched this scene. It works even better here than it did in the Doctor Who episode "The Girl Who Died."

 

[Ste-Pe]

Haha love the benny hill chase music!!

Anyone catch what was written on the side of the red tractor the walkers were tied to? I got "we will be.." But can't make out the word written underneath
You see it when Rick is reversing the truck and Jesus is on one side trying to hide from Daryl (about 49 seconds into the clip

 

[REBerg]

Haha love the benny hill chase music!!

Anyone catch what was written on the side of the red tractor the walkers were tied to? I got "we will be.." But can't make out the word written underneath
You see it when Rick is reversing the truck and Jesus is on one side trying to hide from Daryl (about 49 seconds into the clip

"we will be back for them"? It's blurry, but that is what it seems to say. Assuming that's correct, maybe "them" are the walkers they had tied together?

Also, I don't think Daryl is gay. I think his backwoodsman background severely limited his social circle before the apocalypse, making him inept in his relationships with more sophisticated others -- as in his assuming that Carol is a lesbian because of her short hair style.

Besides that, ctg, widely regarded as the world's foremost authority on all things TWD, has answered "no." So, that's that.

 

[Ste-Pe]

Haha, fair point

 

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Andrew Lincoln on the episode

Episode 10 was quite unexpected…

AL: It’s a tonal shift, isn’t it?

Yeah. My question is do you feel the show could only ever become so domesticated? It can only do that for so long and then it has to break the paradigm again.

AL: I think you’re right. I think that, like you said, there are certain reasons why people probably dig the show. The returning episode felt like a combination of all the things that work beautifully in the show that we do really well, which is the thrills, spills, horror, emotional heart, and in amongst this crazy-ass action sequence it then finishes in a very tender, quiet space, an intimate father-son moment, and I think that’s probably, if we were doing album covers, that would probably be the Greatest Hits. But then I think we do need to go for our Jazz Odyssey episode, because we’re in Season 6, and we owe it to you guys to push the envelope.

Scott Gimple said it to me when we entered Alexandria and I shaved everything off and we’d been this feral bunch of misfits and we were trying to become civislised, we were the sort of poison. I said ‘this feels really fricking scary, is this right?’ He said ‘we should be scaring ourselves’. It’s our responsibility as creative artists to be scaring ourselves. But in answer to your question I don’t think it will be very long (laughs).

I don’t think it could sustain that sort of episode. It’s lovely to show the world what we’re fighting for, what we’re bleeding for and screaming for and a world without the potential for romance and love and laugher… It was great fun doing it. Norman and I thought it was Butch and Sundance and after about five days everyone behind the monitors were just like ‘it’s Bill and Ted’. (Laughs)

GN: And according to Norman some of the funnier bits didn’t even [make the cut].

AL: He always says that. No, there’s some… we improvised quite a lot and it was just fun. It was just fun to just be hanging with those characters rather than fighting.

GN: You don’t get opportunities like that. Andy [Lincoln] and Norman [Reedus] don’t have lots of significant time together, so that episode was born out of a conversation that the three of us had at the beginning of the season when it was like, you have two guys who have fantastic chemistry together and they virtually have no scenes together! Or if they do it’s just like “grunt”, “grunt”, “grunt” and then they’re off! So it’s probably the most fun of an episode that we’ve had, but still fun in the world of our show. But surely nothing lasts. Unfortunately.

AL: Always the story will interfere with domesticity, it’s just one of those worlds. It moves like an Exocet missile, these next six episodes, doesn’t it? We meet a lot of new characters and a lot of new environments and it races to the season finale, which of course you directed again.

Andrew Lincoln on Walking Dead’s “Jazz Odyssey episode”

 

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Haha, fair point

There is nothing that suggest he's into men. He could have got his rocks off in the last season, when he bunked in Aaron's place. I'm sure they could had done a quickie, when they were out there, searching people. Thing is nothing suggest he's into men. Other then in brotherly fashion. Mates and all those things.

Some that he might have punched a few times. And I know, for the fact, that there are very butch men and so on, including real killers - who are gays. But even then, Daryl haven't been written like he's a gayman. Believe me, Kirkman has no problems on writing in those sort of things. If only I could say what happens to Carl ...

Note to those of you who know, don't talk about it!

In TWD, and especially Daryl's character in the screen, wouldn't it be clear by this point on which way he goes? We are six seasons in, which probably means 8 to 10 years into production, and this is full adult show.

 

[Ste-Pe]

You're right it should be clear by now which way he goes, I first heard the 'Daryl is gay' rumour last season and supposedly Norman Reedus is up for it (responding to a fan question).
I suppose just because a character is gay, doesn't mean they're going to jump into bed with the first openly gay character they meet, especially if they're in love with one particular character and/or in denial about their own sexuality - which could be a justification used in Daryl coming out so late in the show

Personally I prefer Daryl on his own, I wouldn't like to see him with anyone really, I like his 'lone wolf' style

However, I know TWD is like the most popular program on Fox and it obviously must make them a LOAD of money and will want to keep it going for as long as possible; I wonder if demand from fans has shaped the writing at all (eg Glen being so hard to kill and the R+M getting together - loved it but was it a result of all the fan demand?) so I could imagine a departure from the written material (a la Game of Thrones) to carve its own way (note: I haven't read the comics so I realise I'm not the oracle on this) and possible shoe horn in some popular fan theories to keep people watching.

With this in mind, I'm sure the writers will do what they can to protect the Holy Trinity of Rick, Michonne and Daryl, but anyone else is up for the offing. Indeed they love the shock of killing characters, I've lost count of the new characters introduced that only stick around long enough so I feel something when they die - it could be argued that the purpose of such characters was for the shock value of their death

So, how do they keep the shocks coming, but for our Holy Trinity? They can't die, so what else can they do? Would Daryl coming out be as shocking as his death? Possibly, that's all I'm saying.

 

[REBerg]

You're right it should be clear by now which way he goes, I first heard the 'Daryl is gay' rumour last season and supposedly Norman Reedus is up for it (responding to a fan question).
I suppose just because a character is gay, doesn't mean they're going to jump into bed with the first openly gay character they meet, especially if they're in love with one particular character and/or in denial about their own sexuality - which could be a justification used in Daryl coming out so late in the show

Personally I prefer Daryl on his own, I wouldn't like to see him with anyone really, I like his 'lone wolf' style

I hope that TWD not lose its way with things like characters agonizing over their sexuality displacing action. Romero has already criticized the show as a soap opera with an occasional zombie, and I would hate to see it move in that direction.

I could imagine a departure from the written material (a la Game of Thrones) to carve its own way (note: I haven't read the comics so I realise I'm not the oracle on this) and possible shoe horn in some popular fan theories to keep people watching.

I've never had a problem with television or film departing from preceding written material. I don't see any originals as being so sacrosanct that they can't benefit from change. Knowing exactly what's going to happen in a TV show or movie because I've read the story would be kind of boring, actually.

 

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Romero has already criticized the show as a soap opera with an occasional zombie, and I would hate to see it move in that direction.

Nope. It's not going to be an soap. It was already proven in the last episode, and besides the point Romero has his humour in the projects. Not everyone though see that because all they see is gore. TWD is what Romero's produce isn't. I respect the man, and everything he has done, but I also Respect Kirkman, Charlie Adlard and Tone Moore for what they've done.

I've never had a problem with television or film departing from preceding written material.

We know this series has deviated from the original material quite a bit. Wolves, Terminus, Main Character twists, in fact, this series has rarely been so close to the origin material as what is at the moment. Yet, it's different. I could as well say unique in history of things.

So whatever way Daryl blows, I still love this series as it is. And it frustrates me that sometimes it's not behaving well. Which is life. Of course.

I like his 'lone wolf' style

Me too.

Holy Trinity of Rick, Michonne and Daryl,

Things can and will happen. Rick has gone bonkers more than a few time. Michonne is no saint, and Daryl has his questionable motives. Yet, they work very well together, no matter what creators throw at them. I would hate them to lose on stupid things, and we've seen those things to happen, like all business that happened when Shane offed Otis.

He could have been a great lieutenant to Rick's posse. Tyreese would have loved Alexandria and giving roamers hell, when Carl lost his eye. Even the boody Governor could have eventually been turned to save the cause, as every life matters in this game. Alexandria doesn't have an endless supply of people. And I would hate to go back in the savage days that followed Prison escape.

Life is good. And they know now they can deal with the horde if the need arise again. Because, that horde cannot be the only one dwelling in the Capitol buildings. I estimate there's at least 100 000 roamers left in that urban jungle.

 

[Ste-Pe]

So whatever way Daryl blows, I still love this series as it is. And it frustrates me that sometimes it's not behaving well.

Yep, me too. Personally I think it's got better and better as the seasons have gone on

I hope that TWD not lose its way with things like characters agonizing over their sexuality displacing action.

There has, for me, been some jaw droppingly awesome action in the series (Carole's assault on terminus, Rick defending the prison with his AK Spring instantly to mind) and I'm ready for some more. I suppose the danger the writers face is having too much. Already I'm sorta 'meh' when michonne takes some heads with her sword, when it was so cool the first few times. So I guess they need some balance to make the action scenes really 'zing' but you're right, I just hope it never gets bogged down the other way either.

(Sorry my quote+ thing is being buggy, this from ctg) Things can and will happen. Rick has gone bonkers more than a few time. Michonne is no saint, and Daryl has his questionable motives.

And I've loved seeing the journey they've all taken and how it's shaped their characters. I *need* these three in the show

 

[REBerg]

There has, for me, been some jaw droppingly awesome action in the series ... I suppose the danger the writers face is having too much. Already I'm sorta 'meh' when michonne takes some heads with her sword, when it was so cool the first few times. So I guess they need some balance to make the action scenes really 'zing' but you're right, I just hope it never gets bogged down the other way either.

TWD is probably as well balanced between action and drama right now as it has ever been. Action dominated at the start but later declined to a point that the showrunners were promising fans more walkers. They have delivered.

 

[Ensign Shah]

Loved this episode, in fact I am loving the start of this season. The first episode I was a nervous wreck! The second episode I was cheering and laughing. What a roller coaster of emotions so far!

The 'will they or won't they' story was done well and almost caught me by surprise in this episode. It was wonderfully sweet.