The Formula to Success - Luck and Sexy Babe Covers

psychotick

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Hi Guys,

Okay first up apologies to the women of this forum for the thread title. But it's unfortunately relevant.

So this post may seem a little like sour grapes, and maybe that's there to an extent. But there's also a valid point to be made, so you'll have to forgive me my moment of weakness.

Now over the years we've all had this argument raging here and elsewhere about how to achieve success. Indie versus trade. How to get an agent / a publisher. How if youdon't it's always because your writing isn't good enough. Too much telling, not enough showing. Passive versus active voice etc etc. Honestly the arguments have simply gone on and on.

And through it all one word has for me been paramount. Luck. Now a lot of us argue that luck is a minor player in this game. That if only you work hard and study etc you will succeed. And that those who succeed have done so purely because of their own efforts etc. You all know my opinion on this paradigm. Luck is the biggest player in the game, whether you're trying to get an agent / publisher, or whether you're an indie trying to get readers.

Mostly the arguments have been looking at the negatives of the industry. How the odds are stacked against the authors. Though of course there have also been the head scratching comments about how certain books - eg Fifty Shades - have made it into the stratosphere.

Well here's a new success story. And just to be clear, it's not my book, has nothing to do with me, and I am not promoting it in any way. Hell I'm not even providing a link. You can all google it for yourselves.

2287 A.D. A Post-Apocalyptic Sci-Fi Fantasy

This book crossed my screen on Facebook yesterday as an indie work that has sold a hundred thousand copies having only been published in June, and considering the rankings and numbers of reviews I tend to accept those numbers.

What I find difficult to understand is the how. Look I don't want to bag other authors - another reason I haven't provided a link - but there is an excerpt provided from the first chapter, and to me it shows the need for a damned good editor - not a proof reader to be clear. There are all sorts of issues in the writing, and the number one issue is that it's so frenetic that it almost doesn't make sense in places. It has absolutely no fill. No doubt those of you who read this and check it out, will have your own views.

Which leaves me with the obvious question. If the books not good - and to be fair I haven't read it and so am only working with the excerpt / look inside etc - what is it that has made this book a success? Because the writing certainly didn't grab me. Is it timing? Marketing? Pricing? The bought and paid for reviews? Or the babe factor on the cover? (Apologies to female members of this forum but if you look at the cover you'll understand.) I know I have my theories. You will no doubt all have your own.

But my point is this. As you go back to your computers and start typing away at your masterworks, agonising over your latest rejection letters - or lack of, pulling out your hair and asking yourself for the gazillionth time - why is my book not good enough? Why not think to yourself, maybe it is good enough. Maybe, this is more of a crap shoot than I want to admit. Maybe my book only has to reach a certain standard - (a standard which just recently I have started to think might be lower than I personally realised) - and after that it's time to think about covers, pricing and marketing instead of wasting my time trying to get an agent.

Maybe it's time to just give up and get a sexy babe cover! (More apologies to female forum members!)

Cheers, Greg.
 
Or change your definition of success. It's pretty much a given that there is no correlation between artistic merit and sales - this holds true across all mediums, music, film etc.
 
Hi Wruter,

Easier said than done when many if not most of the forum members here and elsewhere and desperately trying to get agents and publishers, and sales success is the yardstick against which they will judge submissions.

Cheers, Greg.
 
Every successful book is an anomaly when considered against the vast numbers being released. Just don't give yourself angina by worrying over things you can't control. And don't think that because crap sells you should produce crap.

OR YOU WILL SEE MY DISAPPROVING FACE.
 
Greg, how the hell did you manage to insert that spoof page into Amazon? It's neat that you didn't even provide a link for it, removing the suspicion that you had anything to do with it. I guess you might even have co-opted Brain into your late April-Fool's joke.

My mind has literally -- literally, mind you, using "literally" in its literal sense -- been blown apart. The excerpt posted by the authors reads more like one put up by a reviewer as a warning about the quality of the writing. And they give thanks to Zechariah Sitchin and Erik von Daniken for "brightening the darkness". It's too perfect!

But yeah, this kind of success probably is more luck than anything. And did anyone ever doubt the maxim that sex sells?
 
Interesting excerpt from a Kirkus review. Oddly, I can't seem to find it on the Kirkus website. How strange!
 
@psychotick having been aroused into looking into this by your post, it seems from some of the favourable reviews that the book has some sort of erotica in it.

If this is truly the case then it's success is more explainable. Having gawped at wonder at the genre that is Dino erotica last year - stories that most primary school children could emulate and beat (although, yes, they wouldn't write stories like A Billionaire Dinosaur Forced me Gay). They are liberally sprinkled with prose that makes Dan Brown look like Shakespeare. And such a genre does seem to be commercially quite successful for the self publishing author.*

It seems that as long as you can stimulate a reader's fantasies strongly enough**, they can be quite forgiving of the prose...

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* I have my pseudonym: Throb Morton. Now I just need my own patch of badly written erotica to colonise. Maybe Victorian Space Erotica, sort of Barbarella meets HG Wells meets cheap erotica. You have been warned :D. (Although I'm sure it's already been done.)

** Of course a lot of those buying it could be doing so because 'it's so bad, it's good.'
 
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The Goodreads reviews are either 5 star eulgoies or 1 star 'it's a load of crap/it's porn' verdicts. The description, probably dumped in from Amazon, says there are freebies including a couple of illustrations by the cover 'designer' which are too risque for Amazon so I think you can see where they are coming from. Not quite 50 shades in space but ....
 
So; I read the sample for the ebook, which is a contiguous block and I have to say that I didn't find many of the grammatical problems that some complained of. There was one instance that lied was used where lay or laid should be used.

Overall the writing might have been a bit stiff, but no worse than some that I have seen and the prospect of erotica was looming; though I've never had much difficulty with that. But here's what struck me.

The whole plot hovers around a trope that I thought once was intriguing; but that was the first time I had read of it and I was maybe 16 years old at the time. It's been overused and abused too often and that alone made me happy I ran out of sample.

Your hero and his female counterpart are the world's saviors, but to activate their uber-nature they have to have sex.
Enough said.
But I'll go on; just before it abruptly ended they had less than ten minutes to find each other and do the deed before the men and women associated with the main hero would be wiped out by the infinitely powerful evil. (I so want to find out what happens...do they make it in time; er, uhm I mean do they save the day.)
 
On a second look:
Earth's Last War (Children of Destiny) (Volume 1): Glenn Van Dyke, Claudio Aboy: 9781512083439: Amazon.com: Books
:the author/s have published this under a different title about nine months ago and at that time had a giveaway initiative that might have included the author responding to four and five star reviews.

Also it appears a diligent effort was made to have other comments deleted. We can only guess why.

What screams out at me while examining four and five star reviews is the possibility that this success is solely a part of an ongoing troubling part of the amazon review and subsequent advertising structure and very little to do with the cover and or quality of the writing.

I will offer this much; some of the errors may have been corrected in this version. (I'm not sure I'm ready to test that and go against my better judgement about the plot elements. Some editing to correct grammar does not equate to fixing substantive editing concerns.)
 
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Hi Tinker,

Don't know what's going on there. Two versions of the same book with the same cover and a different title, both selling at the same time on Amazon? And both doing well. Odd. I note though that the Kirkus reviews etc, are identical.

Also, they might have worked hard to remove the one stars, but they've still not helped the books rating any. And if they have edited it, they can't have done much. It's 592 pages in both versions.

Cheers, Greg.
 
I'm seeing 655 pages when I look; both on ebook and paperback (654) and 592 on the old.
Hi Tinker,

Don't know what's going on there. Two versions of the same book with the same cover and a different title, both selling at the same time on Amazon? And both doing well. Odd. I note though that the Kirkus reviews etc, are identical.

Also, they might have worked hard to remove the one stars, but they've still not helped the books rating any. And if they have edited it, they can't have done much. It's 592 pages in both versions.

Cheers, Greg.
 

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