GoT and aSoIaF the most feminist series ever?

[The Imp]

Game of Thrones and aSoIaF- the most feminist series ever?

Lyanna Mormont running Bear Island

Yara attempting to become Queen of the Iron Islands

Dany ruling the Dothraki and having the Unsullied and Second Sons AND 3 freaking dragons

Lady Olenna running Highgarden

Cersei and Margaery have been huge influences and are still players

Sansa now the Lady of Winterfell and maybe Queen in the North

Meera Reed saving Bran's ass and keeping that crew together

Brienne one of the bearriors in Westeros

The Sand Snakes running Dorne (I think)

Melisandre bringing Jon back and being a major influence in general

Arya kicking ass and taking names. Essentially a Faceless Man with warging abilities

Ygritte wearing the pants when in her relationship with Jon Snow

Catelyn Stark kept the family together after Ned's death

Shae, Osha and Missandei are also very strong chacters

Did i leave anyone out. Has there ever been anything with this many strong female characters?

 

[Culhwch]

Who run the world? Girls.

 

[Judderman]

Yes we could easily see something like the War of 5 Queens in Westeros. I don't think we will but it is possible. Dany, Sansa, Yara, Cersei, Margaery.

 

[The Imp]

Yes we could easily see something like the War of 5 Queens in Westeros. I don't think we will but it is possible. Dany, Sansa, Yara, Cersei, Margaery.

That would be something.

 

[Needle]

Hello gentlemen! Yes, yes, yes! Most of the women named by Imp are what I consider true feminists. Women who are willing to take the risks involved and suffer the consequences of equality, not just reap the benefits. I may send some into a rage with my words but to often women want to have equality but hey I can't do that or don't wish to do that in order to be equal. These women are willing to put themselves out there and take (earn) their place.


With the exception of Cersei (love/hate her) I would not see it coming to a War of the 5 Queens. While women can be vicious in a way most men are not and can not truly understand, women (these women particularly) are more willing to compromise and share power in order to protect what remains of their families and their people.

Also have to say, I loved the meeting of Dany and Yara (Asha)! Those 2 are a pair!

 

[Dan Jones]

You also missed out Lyanna Mormont, who has been an absolutely brilliant character. Stolen the two scenes she's been in.

 

[The Imp]

You also missed out Lyanna Mormont, who has been an absolutely brilliant character. Stolen the two scenes she's been in.

Me?

 

[Needle]

Lyanna Mormount rocks!! The way she looked at Jon as if to say "Just let me do the talking you moron, I got this!"

 

[Brian G Turner]

Has there ever been anything with this many strong female characters?

GRRM has always done strong female characters, but the normality of sexual violence means I doubt most feminists would regard the series as feminist.

Also, I suspect there's supposed to be a difference between "strong" and "murderous"!

 

[Eversummer]

Well, I often wonder when would Quaithe come back and join Dany's gang.... she's quite a character.

 

[Stuart Suffel]

GRRM has always done strong female characters, but the normality of sexual violence means I doubt most feminists would regard the series as feminist.

Also, I suspect there's supposed to be a difference between "strong" and "murderous"!

It is pretty strange.

Lotta naked skin (mostly female) in the TV version (for some unknown reason), so some might feel it's sexually exploitative. But the books, well, pretty much a lot of respect for the female and female capabilities, I suspect unrealistically so, as it's based in a world which is modeled on the middle ages (no so pro women). (I'm not a middle ages expert)

But yeah, ASOI&F is quite feminist, in as much as i understand the concept.

(open to being educated)

 

[Null_Zone]

Well the prostitutes are all empowered women making valid career choices rather than the traumitised and gang raped young girls from looted settlements reality would have provided.

 

[Judderman]

You could argue Erikson's Malazan series is more feminist. It has the Malazan empire led by an empress and her main battlefield general is a woman. There are many female characters both in senior army positions and otherwise . On the other hand he doesn't characterize the emotional differences that well. You just get the idea of both sexes being equal with the exception of a couple of mistreated female characters.

 

[Boaz]

I do not view ASOIAF as feminist. It has some strong female characters. Some very strong female characters. But it has weak ones as well...

Roz... got herself shot.

Lysa Arryn... got herself chucked off a mountain.

Doreah... got herself permanently sealed in a vault.

All the Frey women... yech.

Theon's ship plaything... presumably got herself knocked up and then beaten.

Myrcella got herself poisoned... or rather her family did.

Gilly is just silly...

Craster's daughter/wives are a strong statement for feminism...

Catelyn Stark kept the family together after Ned's death

Imp, I've known you as a voice of reason for years and years... and you cannot possibly mean that. She witnessed the murder of one son and her daughter in-law. One daughter was forcibly married to her mortal enemies. Her two other sons are reported executed. Her other daughter is missing and presumed dead. Her father died. Her brother and sister in-law were captured. Her uncle is a fugitive. Her sister was murdered. Her nephew is a hostage. I know that's not all her fault, but she did not keep the family together.

I'm not saying Catelyn is a weak character. In my opinion, she (along with Tyrion, Joffrey, Jorah, Jaime, Sansa, and Theon) is the most realistic character in the books. Catelyn is educated, intelligent, reasonably devout, and possesses a strong sense of honor. Her love of family is her greatest strength. She is logical until times get desperate... and then she can no longer see the forest for the trees. She becomes increasingly myopic as the threats to her children grow. And so her greatest strength becomes her greatest weakness as the story unfolds.

I am fascinated by Catelyn, because I do the same thing.

I dunno 'bout feminism, butGRRM knows that a strong female character does not have to be defined by a crown or magical powers. Those are just icing on the cake.

I love Cersei.

Let me rephrase that...

I love to hate Cersei.

She is a fantastic villain. She is avaricious and ambitious with little to no subtlety... though she thinks she has mastered that art. The scene in the second season when she threatens Littlefinger was pure gold. It was not in the books, but it really showed who she is.

GRRM is just telling a story. Lots of female characters. Strong, weak, flawed, growing, good, evil, humorous, serious...

Did i leave anyone out. Has there ever been anything with this many strong female characters?

Loras?

 

[Judderman]

I
I love Cersei.

Let me rephrase that...

I love to hate Cersei.

But you forgave her after she did the walk of shame didn't you? Well, briefly perhaps..

 

[Boaz]

Forgive? No. Pity? A little bit... But it was clear (even clearer in the book) that she was unrepentant.

 

[chongjasmine]

I don't think it is feminist in nature. I think it is neutral.