Iron Fist - Netflix most abhorred series by the critics

ctg said:
But that doesn't explain why the hole was ripped on the plane and his mum sucked away.
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Alas when you have a show that is riddled with lousy research and poor writing, it's too easy for me to put this one down to lousy research and poor writing.

I finished watching it, and the lousy research just kept piling up. Weirdly, Claire's dialogue when she was applying a credit card to a sucking chest wound was correct, but her actions weren't. Stuffing gauze between plastic and wound, not turning the patient onto his side, it was so close and yet so far. I'm far too able to believe that the writers really think tops of aircraft can pop out and passengers will be sucked into the sky.
 
Narkalui said:
Did anyone else catch the Karate Kid reference? :)
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No! Where?

I'm actually rewatching this with Mrs Stable and the fight scenes look a fair bit better on the bigger screen than they did on my tablet. Also the general enjoyment is improved since I realised that the Danny Rand character is supposed to be an idiot.
 
When Danny goes to see his parents memorial, it says "Wendell, Father" on his father's stone, "Heather, Mother" on his mother's, and his own stone says "Daniel, Son." I refuse to believe this is an accident.
 

A billionaire behaving badly, again. Nothing new to our current geopolitical climate, but I love the new mask, while the old school owl mask scares me. It looks so abnormal.
 
I liked the first season. This trailer made my eyes glaze over though. Not really much info apart from what we already know. Looks like it's worth watching, hopefully. Too much emphasis on fight scenes will make me fast forward, which often leads to turning it off altogether.
 
After seeing them do a better job with Danny on Luke Cage I was really hoping that would continue in the second season. They start off a little better and the actor has improved his fight scenes. A few episodes in and Danny begins to go back to his petulant ways. Worse than that the plot is one I'm sick of. I'm so tired of the "let's grind the hero down all season" plotline. I don't mind when a hero loses a fight. An episode doesn't go his way. These season long spirals suck. The last season of Flash and 2 seasons of Arrow have already made me sick. I don't need any more from Netflix. I am not one of those people who believe entertainment has to be tragic or that happen endings are for suckers. It's OK if the hero has an uphill battle as long as it's not down hill over and over. I've also had my fill of "let's take the heroes power away".

I'm 6 episodes into season 2. Unlike the bland and mostly forgettable season 1 this season is actually making me unhappy. I find this to be a step down.
 
Anthoney said:
I'm 6 episodes into season 2. Unlike the bland and mostly forgettable season 1 this season is actually making me unhappy. I find this to be a step down.
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Maybe you should have played some of the Spider-Man instead because that adventure is awesome. I didn't even realise that it was Iron Fist 2 launch date until much, much later. Then again I've been so busy this and last week that I haven't really been focusing on what is coming in the small screen. I'm sorry to hear that you haven't liked this season.

I'm just in the first five minutes and like it was with the Luke Cage, I'm going to take my time instead of binging it fully, unless it pulls me in firmly. I've seen the reviewers lambasting this one again, and I've avoided mostly reading their pieces so that I can watch and analyse it with a clear mind.
 
Oh man, Typhoid Mary in the first episode. I know that most of the people don't get the reference as Mary has been a small time villain, mostly associated with Spider-Man and DareDevil. And for Matt Murdoc she spelled doom and really, really hard time as she comes out as a 'black widow' type. In the comics she used her weakness to lure Mr Murdock to a love trap, before she started ruining his life under Fisk's orders.

I've yet to see if she's powered in the series or will she live the life of innocent reporter before her transformation to a villain. This certainly piqued my interest.
 
Well, I'm at the beginning of episode three and yes, the season 2 has drawn me in and it's not just because of the Typhoon Mary's appearance. I appreciate that they are giving her a proper introduction before they unleash all of the madness that is tied to package that was created by legendary John Romita to be a tool for misery. To me personally I find Danny's story as a humble one, as he's so prepared to give up all that massive fortune just be a person in a huge city.

You don't ever really get how huge New York really is from the small screen or the movies, if you haven't ever visited the place. To me the new Spider-Man game opened up the geography of the Manhattan Island, where most of these series are located into even if it's not as dirty and somewhat rotten as you can see in the series. Speaking of which, the first season left it pretty clear that the era of Hand the rule was over when Mademe Gao disappeared and left the New York criminal underworld without a steady ruler.

I suspect she is still a force in the second series as she is tied to the Iron Fist in more ways than one. It would fit her character to wage the war from the shadows and use the triads to cause trouble. I even suspect that she might have influenced Davos in his hatred. Sure, he lost his home, his family and his city when Dany didn't return to K'un-Lu but out of the two, he's the one who's weaker and corruptible.

The reason why I'm saying these things is because to me Dany's story is much better than Tony Stark's. Dany doesn't want riches. He is not interested in power. All he wants is peace, like a proper guardian, so that he wouldn't have to active his Iron Fist. Thing that is mostly missing is his inner monologue, which is much easier to translate into the narrative than doing it at front of the cameras.

I believe that Iron Fist would be much better as a story if it was in the written form, because it would allow the audience to get much more out from the brooding looks, pouting, and sighs that has been present constantly in the first three episode.

Iron Fist isn't a nice story and it certainly hasn't been written in the way that would yield much of positivity as all Netflix Marvel stories has been made to be dancing in the edge of total darkness. When I watch them I can sense the chaos churning as it winds things tighter.

The one thing that is bothering me is the timeline, because they showed Luke Cage in the summer time, while the Iron Fist is set in the heart of the winter. New York is cold in this season, not autumn like or matching the season as the Luke Cage did. I wonder what is the reason for that because it certainly cannot be the fact that Thanatos did his trick in the Avenger movie.

Maybe it means that the effect is reversed in the second movie somehow.
 
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Well, the episode 4 answers the timeline question as when Misty Knight shows up with her cybernetic arm it becomes clear that Iron Fist 2 is happening in the winter after Luke Cage took over Harlem's Paradise. But her appearance also answers the question that has been bothering me, are they all locked in their individual zones in the Manhattan?

The answer is most definitely no, but while that is true, the MCU has a major problem because there cannot be all these superhero living in one place and still be so unknown to each other that there is no connection. That there are enough of people in the criminal underworld for them to beat.

It's strange when you think about the powered people versus the normal people, and if a norm superhero keeps beating the criminals day in, day out, there shouldn't be much left, because the criminals has a limit. Beat enough of them and they will leave. Between all the superheroes and supervillains, if I was a criminal I would certainly move away rather than stay in the area as there must be much easier cities to make a living.

Misty Knight claims NYPD has resources to handle the situation in the ground as it is, but it is so strange on why anyone would want to do anything unlawful if you're chances are ending in the prison hospital with multiple broken bones and damaged organs.

Nevertheless, maybe that's why they chose Typhoid Mary as this season major villain as she comes from outside the city, having background in the US military. In the comic books, her 'condition' was caused by Matt Murdock, before she got powered, but in the Iron Hand, I get a sense that Mary is already gone through all the hell already and the military background fits better on her messed, split-personality. Of which the 'Bloody Mary' is the worst as she's completely sadistic, borderline psychotic.

It is kind of boring that Davos only has one personality trait, and that is dark psychotic. His placement against Typhoid Mary is illogical, as they could have allowed the K'un Lun storyline brew in the background while Mary does her job for Joy.

Instead of slowly creeping darkness, this season is blanketed with it from the beginning. The only ray of hope is Ward. And that is strange.
 
I'm a bit surprised, early reviews all lambasted IF2 and later reviews glorify it.

We expressed guarded hope for the second season of Marvel's Iron Fist when the trailer dropped last month. And we're happy to report that the series, which returned to Netflix last Friday, mostly lives up to the trailer's promise. The writing is better, the fight scenes are better, and the characters and relationships are more fully developed. Thematically, it's all about power: who deserves to wield it, what it means to lose it, and, ultimately, learning how to share it.
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Iron Fist’s second Netflix season mostly lives up to its promising trailer

Io9's article was the best. I see if I can find it. But in the meantime I still haven't finished the new season.
 
I thought the pacing was much better than season 1 or Defenders. Finn did a good job with the fight scenes. Again better than season 1. So overall the mechanics of the series were good.

The story on the other hand had problems. It almost unseat Jessica Jones season 2 as my most hated season of marvel on Netflix. No power for 60% of the season?! We never get to see Mary's baddest personality. They take the smart and decent sister and turn her into a wobbly, meandering half villain. Her great plan for revenge has no real reason or purpose.

Rather than use the comic storyline where Davos gets a type of Iron Fist power the do their own stupid story where the power of the dragon can be stolen with tattoos. This was only marginally better than Danny giving his power up. I don't mind Coleen getting some power. She been great in the action sequence. She's better liked the Danny. Even the epilogue which I think was supposed to take some of the sting from Danny's stupidity was more weird and confusing than exciting.

Here where they all land with me.
JJ S1, DD S1, DD S2, Pun S1, Luke S1, Def S1, IF S1, Luke S2, IF S2, JJ S2.
 
The Crane Sisters you'll meet in the episode 5 and 6, the Marvel wiki suggests they are connected to the Crane Mother, who is the ruler of the mythical K'un-Zin, one of the Heavenly cities. They are certainly mysterious and outright annoying for not being willing to operated with Finn.

I don't what Davos offered to them to steal Dani's Chi. But in theory, if someone steals your Chi, you're powerless and therefore, close to death ... if you aren't already in there. What I don't understand is how Davos' Chi is coloured red, and Dani's Yellow. I suppose it has something to do with the Aura, as Davos is constantly angry ... to something.

I think that K'un-Lun elders knew that Davos was going to lose the fight for the right to challenge the mythical dragon. We don't know if Madame Gao is a similar type, but I suspect that she has the ability to transform to a human and back again on her will. But that doesn't explain the power transfer, unless somehow Dani killed the dragon and stole the power, which in return Davos wants because he believes in the traditions.

After all the Iron Fist is full of traditions. But what I don't really understand is that why Davos wanted to stay in the New York city, cleaning its criminal underworld instead of taking the first flight out from the city and going back to the K'un-Lun or the other mythical cities to offer his services as a guardian.

Maybe he was all ready full of pile, when he stepped into that ring and got tied to Danny. To be honest, he has the least amount of progression in the story, even though he becomes the biggest thing for stealing the Iron Fist. Ward, in the other hand, transforms literally in the screen from being a complete dick to someone who you can tolerate, maybe even reflect as one your friends.

After all we all have those people in our lives; ones that we love and hate at the same time. For Davos, there is no hope. The producers make you hate his every move, and they make you believe that every word he says is a lie.
 
Spectacular finish. The Iron Fist 2 really changed around towards the end and became truly exciting something we haven't seen so far. Not in the filmed Marvel Universe. Not before. I'm pretty certain of it and I'm glad they self corrected the series by adding the self monology and giving Danny a path forward. So, maybe Io9 was right and this is the best Iron Fist we have seen. It certainly feels that way and I'm excited for the future. Well done Netflix and the Iron Fist team. Well done.
 
I think it is a smart move from Disney and Netflix to not shell money into the bottomless pit that is the superhero genre. They gain nothing from trying to swim upstream. But all in all it might not be the last time we see Mr Rand or his companions.
 
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