Pearl Mackie Leaving
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Yikes! Didn't see that one coming!
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John J. Falco
This show seems to be falling apart at the seams. I think they need a break. They can't keep doing the same things. I didn't even watch this season and I could barely get through last season.
How do you know it's falling apart if you haven't watched this season? 
Indeed, that secret was kept very quiet. Quite unlike the appearance of John Simm, which, when he took off his mask, might have been the biggest reveal in any TV show, ever, if the BBC hadn't been advertising it for several weeks in advance
Actually, I believe they are doing very different things. The appearance of Mondasian Cybermen rather than the more modern Cybermen is just one example of that. The appearance of two Masters together is another. Whether those "different" things work for you or not is a matter of taste, but it's clearly different. Or do you mean something else? The format of the Doctor and a companion travelling in time and space has worked for 55 years so I think it has some legs yet.
As for people leaving the show. Actors frequently come and go on all TV shows. In Doctor Who, very few companions have continued on for more than a few episodes after the change of a Doctor. Romana did but even she regenerated. Adric did, so there may be more. It has been widely reported that the Doctor is regenerating this season and there was even a spoiler in the first scene of World Enough and Time, so it really could have been predicted that Bill Potts would leave too. Her back-story is tied up with the Doctor being at the University where she serves meals.
The manner of her exit is something I would not have predicted. Usually, companions leave by waving goodbye for a life happily ever after. Adric also memorably did not.
Cathbad
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Dang.
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John J. Falco
How do you know it's falling apart if you haven't watched this season?
Indeed, that secret was kept very quiet. Quite unlike the appearance of John Simm, which, when he took off his mask, might have been the biggest reveal in any TV show, ever, if the BBC hadn't been advertising it for several weeks in advance
Actually, I believe they are doing very different things. The appearance of Mondasian Cybermen rather than the more modern Cybermen is just one example of that. The appearance of two Masters together is another. Whether those "different" things work for you or not is a matter of taste, but it's clearly different. Or do you mean something else? The format of the Doctor and a companion travelling in time and space has worked for 55 years so I think it has some legs yet.
As for people leaving the show. Actors frequently come and go on all TV shows. In Doctor Who, very few companions have continued on for more than a few episodes after the change of a Doctor. Romana did but even she regenerated. Adric did, so there may be more. It has been widely reported that the Doctor is regenerating this season and there was even a spoiler in the first scene of World Enough and Time, so it really could have been predicted that Bill Potts would leave too. Her back-story is tied up with the Doctor being at the University where she serves meals.
The manner of her exit is something I would not have predicted. Usually, companions leave by waving goodbye for a life happily ever after. Adric also memorably did not.
I follow the industry very closely for my blog. I don't have to watch TV shows to know what's going on with them on the executive side of things. It just seems like a mess with no direction. Sure they tried to shake it up with Mackie but she wasn't exactly what the fans wanted. I think more people would have liked to see the Doctor himself go that direction, not a companion. Having say, two girls in tardis would make for a very different atmosphere. I know Moffat is leaving as well as Capaldi. And while Bill's exit was handled rather well, it's funny that a death in the show is the thing that is very, very different.
I loved the 2005+ Doctor Who early seasons (though it took me awhile to get through that first episode due to the creepy mannequins). To me however the show lost itself somewhere between Matt Smith and David Tennant. I mainly watched last season because Jenna Coleman. This is just a personal opinion about the show and there are no objective reasons for this feeling I have. Maybe I don't like Capaldi, maybe I don't like the darker tone that was set for his plot. IDK. There's just something that's been off about Doctor Who for awhile. It grew stale on me.
I know: why watch the shows when one can
As a viewer, one who doesn't give a toss about what's happening behind the scenes, I've found this season to be better than most, with only one really poor episode so far (the third "Monks" episode, The Lie of the Land). If what's happening behind the scenes delivers another series like series eight (many of whose episodes were complete duds), that'll be too bad... but I'll judge this purely by what's on the screen, not on how it got there.
I mean, the scripts and the effectiveness with which they're delivered and produced are so unimportant to the viewers....
As a viewer, one who doesn't give a toss about what's happening behind the scenes, I've found this season to be better than most, with only one really poor episode so far (the third "Monks" episode, The Lie of the Land). If what's happening behind the scenes delivers another series like series eight (many of whose episodes were complete duds), that'll be too bad... but I'll judge this purely by what's on the screen, not on how it got there.
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John J. Falco
Why continue to watch a show that grows stale on me?
I generally stick with shows I really like or shows with a great cast chemistry even if the plot stinks. Series 8 and 9 had none of that! So then I stopped watching. Bill didn't do anything to woo me back. If the Doctor becomes a black woman maybe that will shock me back into watching it. I'd be like WTH is happening and have have to tune in. Hey I gave the show a good seven years, which is quite normal in America.
Cathbad
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Actually, most series don't last 7 or 8 years in the USA. When they do, it's usually because people like it. I still believe Capaldi is one of the better actors to ever hold the part. And if the show's been a bit darker... isn't that what people are going for, right now? Isn't the "Anti-Hero" in big demand?
I don't know. I only know what I like.
I don't know. I only know what I like.
No reason at all, but you were reacting to what was on the screen -- which is how it should be -- not how it got to the screen.
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Not really surprised. It was reported earlier in the year that the new writer/show runner was to get a clean slate for the next season. So everybody goes.
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I don't know...felt a little predictable to me, but then lots does these days, I seem to have a knack for knowing what's going to happen next. There were moments in this series that were decent and there were some not so good moments (the whole monks thing). But like Lucien I kinda figured that they'd all be gone for the new writer and runner.
There's a difference between having a great actor and relying on them to pull the script along, and having a good script. The good script bit has been lacking the last few series. It's nothing like it was with Tennant and Eccleston, where there were a few duffers in among some really clever and intriguing weekly and overarching plots (bad wolf anyone?).
Killing off companions has been done before, and it is a brave thing to have done (though technically she's a cyberman and not dead) but it was rather coming with how many times she's been pretend dead and people have been dead but not dead. She's still not 100% dead.
There's a difference between having a great actor and relying on them to pull the script along, and having a good script. The good script bit has been lacking the last few series. It's nothing like it was with Tennant and Eccleston, where there were a few duffers in among some really clever and intriguing weekly and overarching plots (bad wolf anyone?).
Killing off companions has been done before, and it is a brave thing to have done (though technically she's a cyberman and not dead) but it was rather coming with how many times she's been pretend dead and people have been dead but not dead. She's still not 100% dead.
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One could argue that being a cyberman is a fate worse than death.
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One could, one could also argue that whilst it may be considered a fate worse than death, it is still living...and an upgrade at that
Considering that cybermen begged for death... It is death without the benefit of not feeling it.
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