Giant exoplanet orbits smaller dwarf star

I don't see what the problem is.
Even if the star is half the size of our sun it would still be vast compared to a planet th size of Jupiter.
 
I had to laugh at the Mirror headline: 'Giant "monster planet"...'

Does this mean that Jupiter is also a giant monster planet...?

Agreed. The article states that this "monster planet" is about the size of Jupiter. I don't get what the confusion is either. I read through the article, and all they say is "Standard theories state that when a star is formed, only a certain percentage of mass is available for accompanying planets". I'd like to know more about this "Standard Theory" they refer to. There are a myriad of explanations that could be found, including the 'capture' of a rogue planet from another system. Another thought I had was dwarf stars are sometimes the result of what is left over from a red giant. If the system had been there awhile, the star may have expanded and lost mass, etc.

It reminds me of a quote from Max Planck: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." :)

And, yes Ursa. We'd best keep an eye on Jupiter, as it might try to eat us when we're not looking. :D
 
Can anyone actually 'see' any planets yet? No, but, they supposedly know what's going on out there with all the trillion or so projected planets in this galaxy alone? A huge star, with small planets round it, would be even more unusual, wouldn't it? Shouldn't it just swallow them all up? Well, I'm baffled too.
Wait, just wait until people from a monster planet get here someday and start buying real estate. Each home will be the size of the great pyramid at Giza, with a pool and storage shed. And a nice garden, with a little path...* )
 
@J Riff, If you look in the article, they mention the Next-Generation Transit Survey (NGTS) Which is an array of high powered telescopes in the Andes. The name suggests to me that they are using a kind of transit detection, which means they measure the light of relatively nearby stars, and watch for a very slight dimming of the starlight. It can only be detected by computer, but it is assumed that the planet is 'transiting" in front of the star, and they calculate the size based on the amount of dimming.

Hopefully by the time the giants get here, we'll be gone. :cool:
 
I know, I know... it's there all right. Giants are probably there as well. Giant ants, teeny tiny people, who knows? We have to wait for tourism to expand a bit.
 
Is there any chance that this gas giant might simply be a wandering planet that was captured by the stars gravity?:unsure:

I wonder if it's coincidence you used the word "wandering" since the original word planet comes from the ancient Greek word planete, which meant "wanderer".

I believe it was used because very early astronomers noticed stars that moved over time with respect to the fixed star field behind them; It turns out they were not stars at all, but planets in our system. Telescopes back then were nothing more than a crude lens at the end of a small tube made of wood or leather.
 
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But planets will never move away from their home stars? From what I understand, it's almost impossible for planets or stars to move much closer to, or further away from, from the galactic core that everything rotates around. Even a star exploding would not send planets flying off to join other solar systems. The whole mess would just stay where it is in relation to the big black hole or whatever it is hiding in the centre of this milky galaxy. So they say. That's why whatever exploded here in this solar system, is still coming round and hitting the Earth, rather than booting it off for, say, Proxima C or the Pleides. Gravity is apparently serious about this mass-attracts-mass business, it's not my idea. * )
 
But planets will never move away from their home stars?

A class of exoplanets known as "Hot Jupiters" orbit very close to their stars - existing models of planetary formation say that could only happen if the planet had slowly spiraled in. But if it had, then it would have disturbed any existing planets and moons in lower orbits, and effectively slingshot them out of the star system.

As Hot Jupiters have proven to be very common, then this suggests there should be a number of planets and moons which have been forced from their original star systems.

Additionally, re-modeling of the formation of our own solar system suggests it was a very chaotic and violent place - best imagined as something like a game of billiards, where even Jupiter and Saturn might have originally been in closer orbit to the Sun. One particularly successful model even requires another gas giant to have formed in the solar system, only to have been flung out into interstellar space through interactions with existing planets.

So there are just a couple of reasons why it's increasingly believed that there must be a significant number of wandering planets moving through space - and why it makes sense that some of these may be captured by other stars.
 
So there are just a couple of reasons why it's increasingly believed that there must be a significant number of wandering planets moving through space - and why it makes sense that some of these may be captured by other stars.

I can't find the article that talks about it, but from modelling of solar system formation and evolution, some think that there are probably more planets out in interstellar space - 'Rogue Planets' - than there are in orbit around stars. This was backed up by the discovery of some potential candidates a few years ago. Modern estimates of Jupiter-sized rogue planets give supposedly their number at about 0.25 times the number of stars in the galaxy. Of course then, you have to add 'Earth-sized' and smaller planets? (Surely, as they are lower mass and assuming that astronomical objects fits some reasonable power law - don't see why not - there must be much more of them.) As you've stated, Brian, I do think that a great deal of these rogue planets were indeed formed in solar systems but then wrenched out by processes - some of which you mention.

Unfortunately for any idea that a rogue planet might have been gravitationally captured by a star system....while it may be possible, as I've said many times before on this topic, SPACE IS VERY BIG :D. In four billion years the Andromeda galaxy will collide with out galaxy and when these ~1 trillion stars hits our ~300 million...yep, there are expected to be no direct collisions. Similarly for a rogue planet to just hit a star system is going to be extremely rare. Furthermore the planet must move with a velocity very close to that of its capturer. Also, it must involve a third body (either another planet or star bound to its capturer) to absorb, into its orbit, the orbital energy and angular momentum released by the capture. It all adds up to, 'well the universe is such a big place, so it must have happened somewhere, but it's so rare we should not rely on this explanation to explain virtually anything!'

As for this star and planet - the star is described as a red dwarf with a mass half that of our sun, hence it's still main sequence and likely to remain so for many billions of years. So the star should not have lost mass and that cannot be an explanation for said Jupiter sized object to be in it's system.

I believe the standard theory they are referring to is the Solar Nebular Disk Model and my guess is that there probably is a correlation between the mass of the proto-star accretion disk, the mass of star it produces, and how much 'stuff' is left over for planetary formation. In this case it seems said planet has taken a much higher proportion of the 'stuff'. Note however what sort of figures we're dealing with here: Here on Sol, Jupiter is ~0.1% the mass of the Sun. In this system, this big planet is ~0.15% the mass of the red dwarf. Doesn't look much at all!

The problem with all current theories and models of solar system formation is that we've only really had one example to theorise about and measure properly, and it is only in the past few decades that we've been able to start to pick out what other systems do. As each new observation adds to the zoo of star systems perhaps we'll have a better chance at correctly unpicking how solar systems can form and evolve.
 
But planets will never move away from their home stars?
Yes they will. This happens due to a phenomenon called 'orbital resonance'. Small nudges on every orbit will build up over time to sling even monster planets out of a solar system, or into the sun.
 

Yeah they are a bugger to spot, what with no light anywhere near 'em!

I think the 0.25x figure I quote is in line with the 2017 research which comes up with 75 million Rogue Jupiters - I note that it says that's a maximum figure as they may be counting 'Jupiters' that are still bound to their stars. I would still think that we could be talking about hundreds upon hundreds of millions of rogue planets Earth size and smaller out there.
 
Into their sun yes, out of their big loop around the core, not likely, not for ages. So, nothing much 'wandering' around the galaxy. Even out here in the sticks, everything was locked in millions of years ago. At 67,000 MPH we are stuck around a Sun going 450,000 per, can't see any way of breaking out of that.
 
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Into their sun yes, out of their big loop around the core, not likely, not for ages. So, nothing much 'wandering' around the galaxy. Even out here in the sticks, everything was locked in millions of years ago. At 67,000 MPH we are stuck around a Sun going 450,000 per, can't see any way of breaking out of that.

Nope, not at all, physics tells us different. Unless you think Voyager 1 & 2 ain't comfortably cruising into the interstellar space of our galaxy.

You just need to achieve escape velocity from the solar system. And usually, for an object in orbit, one gravity assist from a large object is all you need.

Jupiter has probably been sending enormous numbers of sizeable objects into deep interstellar space for billions of years, causing plenty of galactic wanderers. (In fact the Nice model for our own solar system evolution suggests that Jupiter caused an Ice giant to be ejected from out solar system)

To send an object into inter-Galactic space, i.e. outside the milky way, requires a much higher escape velocity (relative to galactic core and mass)...but stars have been observed being forcibly 'chucked' out of the galaxy by natural gravitational interactions of other objects also.
 
If our Sun blew up, all the wreckage would lump together and keep rotating at the same distance from the galactic core. Nothing would wander off to Proxima, or anywhere else. And, nothing comes here from other solar systems. It's too far. You may start out well, blasted off by a super-nova, but would be attracted back to the main mass of matter comprising this solar system, long before you'd start being attracted to anything else, even if only a few light years away. It would seem that one could head inward, towards the core, but velocity and angular momentum deny this. So, no wandering solar bodies of any kind, not at those speeds. Simple physics. )
 

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