Star Trek - Discovery - 1.09: Into the Forest I Go

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First Shown 11/12/17 (Su.) 8:30 PM CBSAA
 
Well, I knew the Ambassador wasn't dead.

And what a victory! Wow. Quite an explosion. Can't help but wonder how expensive this episode was? They certainly beat all previous episode's special effects with this one!

I see problems with our lovers' love life coming. He will certainly not be able to "perform" with Michael, any time soon!

And finally: A male-to-male kiss!!

As far as the mid-series cliffhangers, I'm still processing them.
 
After this episode, we have a lot of processing. I liked the final. They are somewhere lost in space, far away from the Amiral.

We finally see behind Tyler's facade. The amiral will want him removed from the team, too. Is that female klingon in love with him ?

Michael took her revenge. Love it. She has chances now for her sentence to be removed.

Poor Stamets ! I suspect we have to say good-by in the next episode.
 
Sorry, but I didn't rate this one too highly because it was far too predictable. We all know that it is a mid-Season finale, so they are really going to end it with everything sorted out? Klingon cloaking device hacked. Ship of the Dead destroyed. Admiral saved. Pahvo saved. Come on, really no cliff-hanger?

So, four minutes to go and Stamets is going to take just one more spore-drive jump and then never again (even forget that Lorca is okay with the 'never again' part after he already twice ignored Culber's pleas not to play roulette with Stamet's brain.) First though, they discuss alternative and mirror universes that are now possible to visit (but we'll never see them, huh?) It was so obvious what would happen, but what did surprise me was that, wherever they have gone, they are not the first to go there. Far from it, it looked like the starship scrapyard that Riker went to in TNG. Some kind of starship graveyard maybe? I've read that it is Klingon wreckage, but not sure myself.

So, Saru and Burnham can go away, and find a way to hack the cloaking device after only sixty minutes or so? Then Saru, and the computer, work out the algorithm in just a few minutes more? When teams of Federation scientists cannot find a way to do this? Why didn't they work it out sooner if it was that easy? I don't think they have been trying most of the time; certainly wasting their talents on Discovery.

The defeat of the Klingons was also far too easy. Life sign masking technology we have never seen before or since. And yet those two sensors??? Couldn't they take along the low-noise version without the flashing disco lights? Might have been less conspicuous. The admiral is still alive but has been lying on the floor with two broken legs for how long now? And why was L'Rell hiding in there too? What was with the pile of bodies on the floor too? Too busy for funerals? Then the fight between Burnham and Kol. Why were they using short-Bat'leths? Why haven't we ever seen short-Bat'leths before?

Still, with all the faults, this is the best thing currently on TV, so I'm going to miss it.
 
Lorcas' plans are coming to fruition. He brought Burnham on as a destabilizing factor and it worked beautifully. He decides to disobey Starfleet orders and the entire crew doesn't bat an eye. No, they eagerly help him. Even timid Saru is wagging two fingers at Starfleet regs.

He's got Burnham convinced that she's indispensable and has her begging him to go on a daft away mission to prove herself.

He needs Stamets to do 133 microjumps and plays to his ego to get what he wants. Stamets eats it up!

Then Lorcas manipulates the entire Discovery crew by telling them they have proven themselves to great warriors. I mean... really.

And Kol has to be the worst Klingon leader ever. He gives a perfectly reasonable order in the face of an unknown enemy and then forgets about it because an invader demands single combat for honour? Beyond stupid. Never mind the fact that Burnham and Tyler could pretty much freely move about on a ship that size without ever being seen. Not once until Burnham plays for time.

And Discovery isn't lost. Lorcas knows exactly where they are and they'll go back once he has time to think and get what he wants.

I appreciate Lorcas' ability to manipulate the people, but not one dissenter? Strange.

A mediocre episode at best.
 
A fabulous ending to the intro chapter of USS Discovery's trip through the stars and time. It is not the question about where they've landed, but when and in what universe. The stars might have moved and vast regions of space might have changed as a result of things happening different. Star Trek is boldly going where no-one has ventured before - if you don't count in the Fringe and few other series (including ST TOS -> DS9 & Enterprise), but the way they're doing this is far different to what we've seen before.

Even in the Fringe, the Primary Timeline got more attention, where as with the ST Discovery we're looking the space from a totally different angle to what we are used to. Maybe that's why the spore drive doesn't get a mention in the timeline as the Star Fleet Admiralty buried the whole project as too dangerous to be attempted again. That is how I see them going forward and dodging all the questions on the future as why the sporedrive hasn't become the main way to travel through the universe.

However, and wherever they're currently might as well explore the whole thing as long as they can avoid temporal deprecation in the driver like Stamets. Eventually if the Pilot is organic and not some mechanical device there is going to be wear. That happens to everything and dear Captain Lurka truly pushed his luck.

There isn't much input from the Engineering as how much Discovery wears out during the jumps, but it certain that is happens as they have whole compliment of people working on the ship and its systems. It's not just "measly scientists" whose living there even though we don't see rest of the crew. So in there, Lurka kind of made a mistake with his speech.

Will L'rell take a role in the Discovery as it's quite obvious they're going to get back any time soon? Possibly forever. But that makes me think about Sarek and other roles that they've lent from the Primary Timeline. Hypotechically Michael Burham should be able to contact the Vulcan Ambassador and alert them to the fact, they can't come back.

The defeat of the Klingons was also far too easy. Life sign masking technology we have never seen before or since.

You might not remember or it hasn't been as prominent but they've dappled with this thing before. Sometimes they cannot get clear readings. Other times it gets distorted and causes drama. Thing is the notion is wrong. If they've technology to detect lifesigns, they certainly can simulate it. In the advance team case, the Klingon becomes much stronger and it should stand out in the sensor logs. I really doubt they had people monitoring their internal sensor logs for abnormal strong Klingon presence that could indicate that they've been borded.

All of that would have quite complicated to translate into drama on small screen, while it would be much easier to present in the written form. So please don't say they haven't because they definitely have. In the Next Generation this feature was often done by rocky and/or radioactive elements. In the Deep Space 9, life masking disturbances blanket the area known as the Bad Lands.

I'm looking forward to what they can find and what they can get away in the upcoming episodes. This isn't bad thing, ST Discovery is really nice addition in the small screen for the serious SF lovers as you said.
 
Okay then, call it "wearable life sign changing technology." Certainly, life signs can be difficult to read, but never deliberately cloaked to look like another species by wearing a badge. If they could do that then all badges from TNG onwards should have employed them. Anyway, it's not important. I said I wouldn't complain about new technology (although I did mean technology we already have today, or very soon.)

Your idea that they will never go back home is something I hadn't actually considered. We will have to see if that is the way it goes. I considered they might be in the Mirror universe, or in the Kelvin universe, or in some new Discovery universe, but I was expecting them to get back again. What do we think about the ship parts - are they Klingon? Is it a graveyard, or a battlefield? In other words, is it a place where ships arrive and never return again, or have they just arrived following a huge Klingon defeat.
 
I think the Klingon female has conditioned Tyler to some sort of action. Some clues: "I won't let them hurt you." (He's on a Federation ship), and "Soon."
 
And I think some of you have it wrong.

We know the Federation wins the war. But the Klingons haven't been defeated yet - only their (current) cloaking system. The Captain mentioned there was "a long way to go."

As far as defeating the Klingon ship "all too easily"? I recall another cloaked ship being easily destroyed, once discovered. (The Undiscovered Country).
 
As far as defeating the Klingon ship "all too easily"? I recall another cloaked ship being easily destroyed, once discovered. (The Undiscovered Country).
I meant them beaming aboard and running about the ship without being noticed, then Burham, alone, defeating the whole Bridge. The reason they both had those small weapons was that she wouldn't manage to lift a 'Worf' style Bat'leth. Just because Kol was fighting her, the rest of the crew ignored Discovery and stood about watching.

As for the cloaking device, we know that there was a "now we see them, now we don't" arms race between cloaks and sensors all the way through the next 100 years. The Klingons will improve the cloak, the Federation will improve their sensors.
 
I think the Klingon female has conditioned Tyler to some sort of action. Some clues: "I won't let them hurt you." (He's on a Federation ship), and "Soon."
I didn't catch that. Was it in the memory sequences? I thought this episode put the conspiracy theories to rest, but in that case they are only intensified. Now he is a brainwashed sleeper rather than a Klingon with plastic surgery?
 
I meant them beaming aboard and running about the ship without being noticed, then Burham, alone, defeating the whole Bridge.

Yeah. They seem to be trying to make too much out of her.

The reason they both had those small weapons was that she wouldn't manage to lift a 'Worf' style Bat'leth. Just because Kol was fighting her, the rest of the crew ignored Discovery and stood about watching.

I agree with you size reason.

I don't think the Klingon Captain had any choice but to accept the challenge - but you're correct, the battle didn't have to happen then and there.
 
I didn't catch that. Was it in the memory sequences? I thought this episode put the conspiracy theories to rest, but in that case they are only intensified. Now he is a brainwashed sleeper rather than a Klingon with plastic surgery?

He's too small for a Klingon.

After this last episode, I'm convinced he's a sleeper, ready to act on command.

Which means the Klingon's "defection" was a ploy.
 
Someone said, "It looks Klingon."
Lorca said that and it seems like that might have been a rush to judgement on his part. Remember he was trying to get back fast as possible to help Starfleet defeat the Klingons. Maybe he thought in that quick second before Saru told him he didn't know where they were due to the disturbance, that the Klingons got there first already and destroyed Starbase 46.
 
Sorry, but I didn't rate this one too highly because it was far too predictable. We all know that it is a mid-Season finale, so they are really going to end it with everything sorted out? Klingon cloaking device hacked. Ship of the Dead destroyed. Admiral saved. Pahvo saved. Come on, really no cliff-hanger?

So, four minutes to go and Stamets is going to take just one more spore-drive jump and then never again (even forget that Lorca is okay with the 'never again' part after he already twice ignored Culber's pleas not to play roulette with Stamet's brain.) First though, they discuss alternative and mirror universes that are now possible to visit (but we'll never see them, huh?) It was so obvious what would happen, but what did surprise me was that, wherever they have gone, they are not the first to go there. Far from it, it looked like the starship scrapyard that Riker went to in TNG. Some kind of starship graveyard maybe? I've read that it is Klingon wreckage, but not sure myself.

So, Saru and Burnham can go away, and find a way to hack the cloaking device after only sixty minutes or so? Then Saru, and the computer, work out the algorithm in just a few minutes more? When teams of Federation scientists cannot find a way to do this? Why didn't they work it out sooner if it was that easy? I don't think they have been trying most of the time; certainly wasting their talents on Discovery.

The defeat of the Klingons was also far too easy. Life sign masking technology we have never seen before or since. And yet those two sensors??? Couldn't they take along the low-noise version without the flashing disco lights? Might have been less conspicuous. The admiral is still alive but has been lying on the floor with two broken legs for how long now? And why was L'Rell hiding in there too? What was with the pile of bodies on the floor too? Too busy for funerals? Then the fight between Burnham and Kol. Why were they using short-Bat'leths? Why haven't we ever seen short-Bat'leths before?

Still, with all the faults, this is the best thing currently on TV, so I'm going to miss it.

All your concerns fall out the window if Discovery is lost in time/space/reality. If they never make it back home, Starfleet doesn't get any of the rewards due to their success although I'm not sure what exactly they were able to transfer to Starfleet about how they completed their mission. As I recall the cloaking signatures do change, so even if Discovery was able to send a copy of the signature to the Vulcan Admiral it might be worthless by the time he decides to use it, making Discovery not but a footnote in the history books. That is if the Admiral doesn't cover it up because he doesn't want to be seen looking bad.

So it also stands to reason that whoever is next in line (probably that pale fellow/outcast dude) will create such changing signatures.
 
Lorca said that and it seems like that might have been a rush to judgement on his part. Remember he was trying to get back fast as possible to help Starfleet defeat the Klingons. Maybe he thought in that quick second before Saru told him he didn't know where they were due to the disturbance, that the Klingons got there first already and destroyed Starbase 46.

Quite possible!

I think we'll find it's the remnants of a major battle. It reminded me of the debris field from Wolf 359.
 
Well, I knew the Ambassador wasn't dead.

And what a victory! Wow. Quite an explosion. Can't help but wonder how expensive this episode was? They certainly beat all previous episode's special effects with this one!

I see problems with our lovers' love life coming. He will certainly not be able to "perform" with Michael, any time soon!

And finally: A male-to-male kiss!!

As far as the mid-series cliffhangers, I'm still processing them.


Sorry, but I didn't rate this one too highly because it was far too predictable. We all know that it is a mid-Season finale, so they are really going to end it with everything sorted out? Klingon cloaking device hacked. Ship of the Dead destroyed. Admiral saved. Pahvo saved. Come on, really no cliff-hanger?

So, Saru and Burnham can go away, and find a way to hack the cloaking device after only sixty minutes or so? Then Saru, and the computer, work out the algorithm in just a few minutes more? When teams of Federation scientists cannot find a way to do this? Why didn't they work it out sooner if it was that easy? I don't think they have been trying most of the time; certainly wasting their talents on Discovery.

The defeat of the Klingons was also far too easy.

Still, with all the faults, this is the best thing currently on TV, so I'm going to miss it.


This was a cool episode and with a kind of fitting but pretty dark/predictable secondary sexual assault theme to boot. Stamets is my favorite character but Lorca comes a close second. Starfleet sure does seem to have a lot of rouge elements out there. However, the plot actually works. Since Star Trek is known for the plan falls into place perfectly scenarios (This happens to Kirk all the time) And of course when you actually think about Lorca's plan. No other ship in Starfleet has the spore drive, Stamets, or I assume much information about Klingons at all.

The Cloaking hacks are a bit kooky and probably not in line with canon. Since wasn't it Kirk who figured out a way to get around cloaking technology in one of the movies? But I digress. Star Trek isn't perfect. This series isn't perfect, but it does sooo much right and it does so much for the future of sci-fi in general that I can suspend my disbelief especially because people are bothered by the fact that Captain Lorca has a touchscreen bridge panel and not one with grey dials.

The coolest parts of the finale were Lorca's plan and the battle with Ship of the Dead. Those graphics were beautiful!

The greatest question I have for this episode is not where/when Discovery ended up but where was the Tribble???
 
I also assume that they are now in some other sort of parallel dimension because of the backlash from fans as they are currently writing/filming the next chapter now it is totally feasible, that they would do that. Hopefully so these idiots can shut up.
 
The Cloaking hacks are a bit kooky and probably not in line with canon. Since wasn't it Kirk who figured out a way to get around cloaking technology in one of the movies?

I think it's pretty safe to assume the cloaking device changed over the years.

:)
 

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