Star Trek - Discovery - 1.11: The Wolf Inside

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First Shown 1/14/18 (Su.) 8:30 PM CBSAA

 

[Cathbad]

Why does the MU Shantou have the NCC label instead of ISS?

 

[Cathbad]

Tyler's reaction to seein Voq adds credence to the theory expressed in the 1-10 thread. EDIT: Just saw it all - Tyler was Voq. The emperor was one of the two I'd envisioned.

 

[Alexa]

I still believe we are talking of a double personality. We saw both Tyler and Voq during the operation this time.

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So in this MU Voq represents the resistance and they brought back captain Georgiou as the ruthless emperor ? I really don't like these MU.

Why Lorca doesnt't want to go home ?

 

[Cli-Fi]

Why Lorca doesnt't want to go home ?

Lorca is home. The only way Georgiou could have known the plans of the Discovery was if Lorca gave them to her. Did anyone notice Georgiou said something about Burnham's prisoner being better than her when she was yelling at her. That prisoner is Lorca.

 

[Cli-Fi]

Tyler's reaction to seein Voq adds credence to the theory expressed in the 1-10 thread. EDIT: Just saw it all - Tyler was Voq. The emperor was one of the two I'd envisioned.

I thought for one brief moment that when Tyler charged at Voq upon seeing him, he would soon be revealed as T'Kuvma. It would make sense because He yelled at himself to remain Klingon while, the real Voq was shunned as a Klingon. It was a little out of chracter. If Tyler was revealed as T'Kuvma, I think it would have been a bit better. T'Kuvma had a thing for L'Rell as well, but alas the real theory turned out to be true. Tyler is Voq. Klingon Sleeper Agent. Cue James Bond Music...

 

[Cathbad]

Why Lorca doesnt't want to go home ?

Because e's scheduled to be dethroned as a Captain?

 

[Cathbad]

I believe the MU Tyler will eventually join the Discovery - no way will we lose such a popular character?

 

[Cathbad]

Did anyone notice Georgiou said something about Burnham's prisoner being better than her when she was yelling at her. That prisoner is Lorca.

Yes, but the Emperor would already know about the prisoner?

 

[Dave]

Well, that cleared up a few loose ends! All my theories proved correct, too.

Lorca is home. The only way Georgiou could have known the plans of the Discovery was if Lorca gave them to her. Did anyone notice Georgiou said something about Burnham's prisoner being better than her when she was yelling at her. That prisoner is Lorca.

Yes, but the Emperor would already know about the prisoner?

During the early part of this episode I was beginning to doubt Lorca was MU again, but it is really the only thing that makes sense. We could be reading too much into that comment by Georgiou though, but on the other hand, why else would the Emperor cross the Quadrant to get her hands dirty killing rebels, unless the real reason was actually to get the MU Lorca.

Why does the MU Shantou have the NCC label instead of ISS?

If true, I missed that, and it is also a huge mistake. I'd need to re-watch.

I believe the MU Tyler will eventually join the Discovery - no way will we lose such a popular character?

I'm sure we will be seeing the MU Tyler and the MU Culber joining the crew.

We have also seen both Stamets - although I'm not sure which is which. I must admit to not liking the whole Spore Drive and "astromycological" business. Scientifically, it is as likely as a workable Transporter, and I hoped we had seen the end of that. Now, it looks like it is still an ongoing plot with the two Stamets walking together in the astromycological jungle. Still, it makes as much sense for the Star Trek multiverse to be joined together by a magical fungus as it does for the the Star Wars universe to be joined by a midi-chlorian "Force".

I think to avoid canonical problems with Kirk's trip to the MU, no one in the MU is going to know that the Discovery is from the prime U. Otherwise, I can't see why Sarek didn't say more about what he saw during the mind-meld. Just to say that her intentions are good is a rather tame and superficial description of all the things he observed. Anyhow, he is probably dead now, along with Voq and the rest of the rebels.

Not much else happened really, except did we know that Saru was so strong? The MU Saru pulled Voq/Tyler of Burham and threw him across the room!!! Maybe the MU Saru just works out more?

 

[Cli-Fi]

Now, it looks like it is still an ongoing plot with the two Stamets walking together in the astromycological jungle.

That reminded me of the red forest in 12 monkeys. But the possibilities of them visiting even more universes is cool potential that they will probably never get to use.

I can't see why Sarek didn't say more about what he saw during the mind-meld. Just to say that her intentions are good is a rather tame and superficial description of all the things he observed. Anyhow, he is probably dead now, along with Voq and the rest of the rebels.

I'm thinking MU Sarek dies in glorious battle to defeat the Empress and maybe he tells Spock about what he saw in the mind-meld. Sarek really doesn't do anything for me but if he fills in the holes between Hoshi, Georgiou, and Emperor Spock, I could forgive them for including Sarek in the show.

 

[Cli-Fi]

Yes, but the Emperor would already know about the prisoner?

I could see the Emperor knowing about Lorca and her not trusting Burnham to carry out her orders, but Lorca was smirking while she was destroying the rebel bases and then also while the Emperor was yelling at Burnham for not doing it. If she expected Burnham to carry out her orders, she would not fly there just to do it herself.

If she didn't expect Burnham to carry out her orders she would not have yelled at Burnham for doing something she expected or at least she would have been more sarcastic about it like, sighs, "I knew you couldn't do it, you've always been soft. So I had to take matters into my own hands." She seemed pissed that Burnham didn't obey her. She said none of that hinting that someone told her of Burnham's plans, and the only one who could have done that was Lorca.

 

[ctg]

We have also seen both Stamets - although I'm not sure which is which. I must admit to not liking the whole Spore Drive and "astromycological" business.

If you watched the first interview in the After Trek, you might noticed that the writer used a specific word "prime" to Statmets from our hypothetical universe. In theory there might be more universes that share Statmets with the Spore Plane. A classical science doesn't allow Spore Planes of existence, or a complete mirror opposite to the "Prime Universe." Are Trekkies ready to dive into the multiverse theory with the USS Discovery?

 

[Cathbad]

I can't see why Sarek didn't say more about what he saw during the mind-meld.

Because a mind meld is very personal. Sarek would only reveal tat absolutely necessary.

 

[Cathbad]

If she didn't expect Burnham to carry out her orders she would not have yelled at Burnham for doing something she expected or at least she would have been more sarcastic about it like, sighs, "I knew you couldn't do it, you've always been soft. So I had to take matters into my own hands."

I thought she only accused her of being too slow?

 

[Jax]

Why does the MU Shantou have the NCC label instead of ISS?

Because it's meant to.
It's the USS Shenzhou or the ISS Shenzhou, it still has the same registry number NCC-1227

 

[Alexa]

I could see the Emperor knowing about Lorca and her not trusting Burnham to carry out her orders, but Lorca was smirking while she was destroying the rebel bases and then also while the Emperor was yelling at Burnham for not doing it. If she expected Burnham to carry out her orders, she would not fly there just to do it herself.

If she didn't expect Burnham to carry out her orders she would not have yelled at Burnham for doing something she expected or at least she would have been more sarcastic about it like, sighs, "I knew you couldn't do it, you've always been soft. So I had to take matters into my own hands." She seemed pissed that Burnham didn't obey her. She said none of that hinting that someone told her of Burnham's plans, and the only one who could have done that was Lorca.

I have another theory. The Emperor could have known about Lorca from Michael's first officer. She is quite eager to grab the power that one.

Lorca was indeed smirking, but for a different reason. Philippa Georgiou was supposed to be dead by Michael's fault in the Prime Universe and Michael imprisoned for life for mutiny. Maybe he has just enjoyed the irony of the situation.

 

[Dave]

If you watched the first interview in the After Trek...

I've seen that now and Ted Sullivan solved another problem I had with Klingon medicine and genetic engineering. He believes that after the ENT "Augment" episodes, the Klingons took that technology, embraced it, and after 100 years they now have the ability to turn Klingons into Humans in a run-of-the-mill way. This would supposedly explain away the "Southern" and "Northern" Klingons, with and without ridges. The Klingons in TOS who looks like swarthy humans with moustaches have all been genetically altered.

This is fine, but doesn't gel with TNG and DS9 - the whole 'way of the warrior' Klingon philosophy with Worf; the episode, I forget, that dealt with Klingons not believing in battlefield triage; not to mention Kor, Koloth, and Kang all coming back with ridges in DS9: Blood Oath. Altering themselves to look human would be an anathema to a Klingon from TNG and DS9 but, then, changing back again doesn't seem very likely

Someone here said (sorry I forget who) that Discovery works best as a sequel to Enterprise and not as a prequel to anything else. I think I just have to accept that.

It's the USS Shenzhou or the ISS Shenzhou, it still has the same registry number NCC-1227

Yes, that is correct if that is what @Cathbad meant. (How they both would have the same NCC numbers is another question entirely, but all ships do.)

I have another theory. The Emperor could have known about Lorca from Michael's first officer. She is quite eager to grab the power that one.

Lorca was indeed smirking, but for a different reason. Philippa Georgiou was supposed to be dead by Michael's fault in the Prime Universe and Michael imprisoned for life for mutiny. Maybe he has just enjoyed the irony of the situation.

I second this. The first officer has been put down by Michael Burham several times, just for doing her duty. I'm sure she called the Emperor and told her Burham wasn't blasting the planet as commanded and had an interesting prisoner.

 

[Cathbad]

Because it's meant to.
It's the USS Shenzhou or the ISS Shenzhou, it still has the same registry number NCC-1227

Then, Why did the Discovery change theirs from NCC to ISS?

 

[Cli-Fi]

I have another theory. The Emperor could have known about Lorca from Michael's first officer. She is quite eager to grab the power that one.

Lorca was indeed smirking, but for a different reason. Philippa Georgiou was supposed to be dead by Michael's fault in the Prime Universe and Michael imprisoned for life for mutiny. Maybe he has just enjoyed the irony of the situation.

You know what @Alexa? That theory makes more sense, but I like mine better. I am a TV fan conspiracy theorist after all.

Dang it. Now I feel like I'm talking to my echo device.