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Jo Zebedee

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Thanks to all who commented on the first of these two threads - it really helped. I've cut a lot of the information here, and tried to tell what I've kept through action (who'd know I tell people to do this week in, week out, and still struggle with it...). I've upped the conversation and foreboding at the end, and, most importantly for me, I've given Harry more of a Northern Irish voice. Any better?

(I'm not getting hung up on the start, by the way - I think my original start was further into the story than it originally seemed so this is building to support that, with lots of lovely layers being added)

@CTRandall , straggled stayed, I'm afraid. You won't be the last to wince at it. :D

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They pass, in their ones and twos and threes and fours, straggled along the horizon. This Influx will be the final one of my watch, if I’m any judge: my Celtic skin has blistered in a full day’s sun. Tomorrow it’ll have peeled back and be ready to frazzle all over again.

Most of their heads are bowed but one, a scrawny girl at the back, glares up at me. She’s about my age, maybe fifteen or sixteen, and jealousy comes off her in waves, tainting the air.

I don’t like how she looks at me, as if she can see through me. I stand as tall as I’m able and plant my feet. I hold my rifle at not-quite-ready, and stare down at the girl. Bryan insists that attitude is important when on duty. Harry, he says, if they believe you won’t hesitate to use that rifle, they won’t take the chance. He doesn’t take any chances, either, the ******* – my guard-tower is equipped with a bell and in clear sight of two others. If I don’t do my job and guard Home, someone else will do it for me.

The girl approaches the outer fence. She might be close enough to see the rows of beans and carrots growing. Perhaps even the outline of the buildings that make up Home’s Heart.

She looks the fences up and down, and I want to warn her that the outer fence is deliberately smaller than the inner, a trap that says ‘climb me and you might make it through to the food’, but I can’t. Talking with an Influx is strictly forbidden.

The inner fence is taller, electrified, and broken by Guard-towers. She won’t make it through but I think, for a moment, that she might try, and sweat breaks over my palms as I clutch the rifle tightly. If she crosses, I’ll have to shoot her.

“Julia!” An older woman, skin desiccated and parched, breaks from the group. She gathers the girl against her, turns her from Home, and they walk off, following the group.

Before they vanish, the girl looks back and stares at me. She holds my gaze, and I understand that she gets it. She gets the truth. I’m no luckier than her, even though I’m inside the fence with food and a bed.

None of us is lucky anymore. We’re all just surviving.

“Ho, Harry!” calls a voice behind me, and I turn. Will crosses from Home’s Heart, boots ringing on the concreted path. He’s tall and rangy, with shoulders twice as broad as mine, and I know that jealousy has a taste as well as a feel. “Any trouble?”

“None.”

“You’d have dealt with it, if it had come,” Will says, and pride swells in me. Will has a way of raising people up. He’d have been a teacher, if we were able to still have jobs like that, I reckon. Or an artist – I’ve seen the tracings he makes, at night, on guard, in the soft wetness of the wood.

He climbs, and joins me on the platform. In the surrounding fields, some of the Influx have settled down for the night, their cooking fires smoky from wet wood. It feels like they’re encircling us and that makes me uncomfortable. We’re supposed to be the free ones.

“That’s a new camp,” Will says, pointing to a fire just starting close by. Around it, people are setting up rudimentary shelters. One has a pot out and has put water in it, ready to go over the fire. “Any idea who?”

“Group’s just passed,” I say. “Caramel skin – from somewhere hot.” Most are, but recently we’ve even had Influx from the southern reaches of Ireland. “Didn’t look like a group to worry about.” I don’t mention the girl to Will. What can one girl do, after all?

“Give me the rifle,” said Will, his tone formal. “Your duty is over, Harry, and mine is to begin.”

The words of the guard-changeover. I unsling the rifle, and hand it over. Will takes it, just like I’ll take it back off him in the morning, and checks it over, making sure the barrels are loaded but that the safety is on.

He nods. “Good work, little Harry. Go, get food.” He grins, but it’s not mean like Mike or Dolfer’s would be. “You need it to grow.” His eyes narrow. “But, be careful. Your man. He’s in quare form.”

My man, not his. My stomach knots, tightening under my ribs. Bryan in a temper never bodes well. I start to climb down, picking the first support with care. I wish I could stay with Will, curled up for the night in the corner of the guard-tower and safe.

“Harry.” His quiet voice stops me. “Be careful, won’t you?”

“I’m always careful around Bryan,” I say.

“Not just that.” Will smiles and I think it might be the saddest I’ve ever seen. “Around Home. Things… change, from time to time. Keep your head down, Harry. Keep out of any trouble that might want to find you. And –- ” He shakes his head, and goes back to staring over the encampments that surround us.”I’m sorry. It’s all sh*te.”

“It is,” I say because it’s true, and then I don’t have anything more to say, and later I’m sorry I didn’t ask him what was the matter, and did he want to talk. Maybe it would have changed things if I had.
 
It's an interesting start, but if the girl is an important character, I would expect Harry's thoughts to dwell on her more. Any inline comments can be ignored :)

They pass, in their ones and twos and threes and fours, [shadows] straggled along the [flaming] horizon. This Influx will be the final one of my watch, if I’m any judge: my Celtic skin has blistered in a full day’s sun. Tomorrow it’ll have peeled back and be ready to frazzle all over again.

Most of their heads are bowed but one, a scrawny girl at the back, glares up at me. She’s about my age, maybe fifteen or sixteen, and jealousy comes off her in waves, tainting the air.

I don’t like how she looks at me, as if she can see through me. I stand as tall as I’m able and plant my feet. I hold my rifle at not-quite-ready, and stare down at the girl [we don't know he's on a raised platform]. Bryan insists that attitude is important when on duty. Harry, he says, if they believe you won’t hesitate to use that rifle, they won’t take the chance. He doesn’t take any chances, either, the ******* – my guard-tower is equipped with a bell and in clear sight of two others. If I don’t do my job and guard Home, someone else will do it for me.

The girl approaches the outer fence,. She might be close enough to see the rows of beans and carrots growing. Perhaps even the outline of the buildings that make up Home’s Heart.

She looks the fences up and down, and I want to warn her that the outer fence is deliberately smaller than the inner, a trap that says ‘climb me and you might make it through to the food’, but I can’t. Talking with an Influx is strictly forbidden.

The inner fence is taller, electrified, and broken by Guard-towers. She won’t make it through but I think, for a moment, that she might try [Why? what does she do?], and sweat breaks over my palms as I clutch the rifle tightly. If she crosses, I’ll have to shoot her. [How does that make him feel?]

“Julia!” An older woman, skin desiccated and parched, breaks from the group. She gathers the girl against her, turns her from Home, and they walk off, following the group.

Before they vanish, the girl looks back and stares at me. She holds my gaze, and I understand that she gets it. [Perhaps she understands] She gets the truth. I’m no luckier than her, even though I’m inside the fence with food and a bed.

None of us is lucky anymore. We’re all just surviving.

“Ho, Harry!” calls a voice behind me [Doesn't Harry recognise Will's voice?], and I turn. Will crosses from Home’s Heart, boots ringing on the concreted path. He’s tall and rangy [<- Could be included in his stride], with shoulders twice as broad as mine, and I know that jealousy has a taste as well as a feel. “Any trouble?”

“None.”

“You’d have dealt with it, if it had come,” Will says, and pride swells in me. Will has a way of raising people up. He’d have been a teacher, if we were able to still have jobs like that, I reckon. Or an artist – I’ve seen the tracings he makes, at night, on guard, in the soft wetness of the wood.

He climbs, and joins me on the platform. In the surrounding fields, some of the Influx have settled down for the night, their cooking fires smoky from wet wood. It feels like they’re encircling us and that makes me uncomfortable. We’re supposed to be the free ones.

“That’s a new camp,” Will says, pointing to a fire just starting close by. Around it, people are setting up rudimentary [< is that a word Harry would use?] shelters. One [< the shelter?] has a pot out and has put water in it, ready to go over the fire. “Any idea who?”

“Group’s just passed,” I say. “Caramel skin – from somewhere hot.” Most are, but recently we’ve even had Influx from the southern reaches of Ireland. “Didn’t look like a group to worry about.” I don’t mention the girl to Will. What can one girl do, after all? [I think we need more of Harry's thoughts about the girl earlier on]

“Give me the rifle,” said Will, his tone formal. “Your duty is over, Harry, and mine is to begin.” The words of the guard-changeover.

The words of the guard-changeover. I unsling the rifle, and hand it over. Will takes it, just like I’ll take it back off him in the morning, and checks it over, making sure the barrels are loaded but that the safety is on. [checks it over: barrels loaded - safety on.]

He nods. “Good work, little Harry. Go, get food.” He grins, but it’s not mean like Mike or Dolfer’s would be. “You need it to grow.” His eyes narrow. “But, be careful. Your man. He’s in quare form.”

My man, not his. My stomach knots, tightening under my ribs. Bryan in a temper never bodes well. I start to climb down, picking the first support with care. I wish I could stay with Will, curled up for the night in the corner of the guard-tower. and safe. Safe.

“Harry.” His quiet voice stops me. “Be careful, won’t you?”

“I’m always careful around Bryan,” I say.

“Not just that.” Will smiles and I think it might be the saddest I’ve ever seen. “Around Home. Things… change, from time to time. Keep your head down, Harry. Keep out of any trouble that might want to find you. And –- ” He shakes his head, and goes back to staring over the encampments that surround us.”I’m sorry. It’s all sh*te.”

“It is,” I say because it’s true, and then I don’t have anything more to say, and later I’m sorry I didn’t ask him what was the matter, and did he want to talk. Maybe it would have changed things if I had. [Things might have been different if I had.]
 
A solid second draft. Much more compact than the previous version with quite a bit more action, and I really like the voices of your characters in this one.

The statement "He’s tall and rangy, with shoulders twice as broad as mine, and I know that jealousy has a taste as well as a feel." as well as the dismissive attitude toward the possible importance of the girl seem to imply relatively strongly that the protagonist is a male. If you want to keep this a bit more ambiguous, you may want to make the reason for being dismissive the frequency of such moments. In other words, the protagonist didn't report her not because she was singular or because she was female, but because people coming to the fence is a regular part of the day, so even though something stuck out about her, her actions were unremarkable.

I also felt a bit differently about the protagonist this round. He/she felt more comfortable in their skin this time, and more settled into their role in the society. I don't know if that was an intentional shift or not, but it does seem like a different direction to go with the character.

And, forgive my blatant American nature, but I presume referring to one's father as "your man" is an Irish colloquialism? Here in the States, it typically means "your husband or male partner", whereas the term "your old man" refers to a father. If I am right about it being a colloquial expression, then I wouldn't change it, but you may want to keep it in mind when your book becomes a best seller and you are working on an American release...

Overall, great work!
 
Thanks, both :)

Vince, I’ll muse on drawing more importance to her. She will be important of course but the protagonist doesn’t know that so I’m not sure Harry would notice more. That old pain in the neck of close pov.

Thanks, Joshua. I think they are stronger this time which might make them being less ambiguous more difficult - I’m not wedded to it. ‘Your man’ is a universal term here for an unnamed bloke who everyone knows who is being referenced. It’s really hard to describe but it is the term that would be used. It’s always a balancing act how far I take the vernacular - if it doesn’t actually trip people up I’ll keep it, I think.
 
Wow, what a transformation. Is all I'll say.

Except that if you're using "quare" for "queer", might it be worth Irishing the rest up a bit? "Your man" could then be "yerman". Or maybe not. I'm just saying that because I have nothing else.
 
Wow, what a transformation. Is all I'll say.

Except that if you're using "quare" for "queer", might it be worth Irishing the rest up a bit? "Your man" could then be "yerman". Or maybe not. I'm just saying that because I have nothing else.

I’ll take that. Quare isn’t the same as queer -like in England saying someone is in ‘some form’ maybe?

It will be a challenge in this book. Inish was written mostly in the Belfast accent which most people are at least a little familiar with. This one is in a country dialect (it’s actually in Liam Neeson’s dialect, maybe I could book him for the movie .... :D)

I might end up doing a glossary this time. If I do I’ll make sure it’s humourius.

Much thanks for the kick up the butt. :)
 
‘Your man’ is a universal term here for an unnamed bloke who everyone knows who is being referenced. It’s really hard to describe but it is the term that would be used. It’s always a balancing act how far I take the vernacular - if it doesn’t actually trip people up I’ll keep it, I think.
I see no reason not to keep it, as I cannot forsee it tripping too many people up over there, at least. I was just giving you a heads up for an American market.
 
Re "straggled", if I'm the only one it bothered, I'll just have to learn to live with it :giggle: Actually, it didn't bother me so much this time. And overall Imthink this version is stronger. And I agree with Harebrain that you could "Irish it up" more. The few expressions here seem slightly out of place, though that might also be due to the brevity of the extract. Let them flow! (Wait, isn't that a Disney song?)
 
I do have one thing, which I forgot.

my Celtic skin has blistered in a full day’s sun. Tomorrow it’ll have peeled back and be ready to frazzle all over again.

In my experience as a teenager with skin so Celtic the ghost of Yeats used to follow me round in admiration, having your skin blister through sunburn is a horrible experience, and leaves you feeling quite sick and weak and shivery. It's not something you'd ever want to repeat. Even if Harry is tougher than I was (not hard), why isn't s/he wearing long sleeves and a hat?
 
I do have one thing, which I forgot.



In my experience as a teenager with skin so Celtic the ghost of Yeats used to follow me round in admiration, having your skin blister through sunburn is a horrible experience, and leaves you feeling quite sick and weak and shivery. It's not something you'd ever want to repeat. Even if Harry is tougher than I was (not hard), why isn't s/he wearing long sleeves and a hat?

Nevermind light full length clothing, if I was running a compound of pale skinned folk in a very warm place I'd have the guard towers covered by awnings. Although, yeah, you'd think the heat would change the clothing. Although I do kinda idly wonder how long it takes for things to change here - plenty of tanned looking Ozzies and Southern Staters that'd think little of such sun out there who came from the same pasty stock as thee and me.

Not that this is hugely relevant mind.

(Also, I apologise for having nothing else to offer, but me and present tense just aren't friends).
 
Nevermind light full length clothing, if I was running a compound of pale skinned folk in a very warm place I'd have the guard towers covered by awnings. Although, yeah, you'd think the heat would change the clothing. Although I do kinda idly wonder how long it takes for things to change here - plenty of tanned looking Ozzies and Southern Staters that'd think little of such sun out there who came from the same pasty stock as thee and me.

Not that this is hugely relevant mind.

(Also, I apologise for having nothing else to offer, but me and present tense just aren't friends).
Neither am I, normally - or into first person. But that’s how Harry wants to tell me his story ;)

Point taken, guys - will refine :)
 
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Thanks to all who commented on the first of these two threads - it really helped. I've cut a lot of the information here, and tried to tell what I've kept through action (who'd know I tell people to do this week in, week out, and still struggle with it...). I've upped the conversation and foreboding at the end, and, most importantly for me, I've given Harry more of a Northern Irish voice. Any better?

(I'm not getting hung up on the start, by the way - I think my original start was further into the story than it originally seemed so this is building to support that, with lots of lovely layers being added)

@CTRandall , straggled stayed, I'm afraid. You won't be the last to wince at it. :D

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They pass, in small groups their ones and twos and threes and fours, (seems a bit laboured) straggled along the horizon. (the horizon beeing a long way aawy would you get this level of detail) This Influx will be the final one of my watch, if I’m any judge: my Celtic skin has blistered in a full day’s sun. Tomorrow it’ll have peeled back and be ready to frazzle all over again. (This isn't what actually happens if the sunburn get to blistering it would be agony the next day)

Most of their heads are bowed but one, a scrawny girl at the back, glares up at me. She’s about my age, maybe fifteen or sixteen, and jealousy comes off her in waves, tainting the air.

I don’t like how she looks at me, as if she can see through me. I stand as tall as I’m able and plant my feet. I hold my rifle at not-quite-ready, and stare down at the girl. Bryan insists that attitude is important when on duty. Harry, he says, if they believe you won’t hesitate to use that rifle, they won’t take the chance. He doesn’t take any chances, either, the ******* – my guard-tower is equipped with a bell and in clear sight of two others. If I don’t do my job and guard Home, someone else will do it for me. (bell? what's that about)

The girl approaches the outer fence. She might be close enough to see the rows of beans and carrots growing. Perhaps even the outline of the buildings that make up Home’s Heart.

She looks the fences up and down, and I want to warn her that the outer fence is deliberately smaller than the inner, a trap that says ‘climb me and you might make it through to the food’, but I can’t. Talking with an Influx is strictly forbidden.

The inner fence is taller, electrified, and broken by Guard-towers. She won’t make it through but I think, for a moment, that she might try, and sweat breaks over my palms as I clutch the rifle tightly. If she crosses, I’ll have to shoot her.

“Julia!” An older woman, skin desiccated and parched, breaks from the group. She gathers the girl against her, turns her from Home, and they walk off, following the group. (what about their skin and sun blisters because they must have been out in the sun for days)

Before they vanish (too far for gaze holding), the girl looks back and stares at me. She holds my gaze, and I understand that she gets it. She gets the truth. I’m no luckier than her, even though I’m inside the fence with food and a bed.

None of us is lucky anymore. We’re all just surviving.

“Ho, Harry!” calls a voice behind me, and I turn. Will crosses from Home’s Heart, boots ringing on the concreted path. He’s tall and rangy, with shoulders twice as broad as mine, and I know that jealousy has a taste as well as a feel. “Any trouble?” (Is this a scene change becasue he was up a tower previously not at ground level)

“None.”

“You’d have dealt with it, if it had come,” Will says, and pride swells in me. Will has a way of raising people up. He’d have been a teacher, if we were able to still have jobs like that, I reckon. Or an artist – I’ve seen the tracings he makes, at night, on guard, in the soft wetness of the wood. (don't understand the wetness etc)

"I'm sure you would have dealt with anything," Will says, and pride swells in me. He has a way of raising peoples moral. He'd have probably been a teacher in previous times. Times when people had normal jobs. I've seen the tracings he makes at night....

He climbs, and joins me on the platform. In the surrounding fields, some of the Influx have settled down for the night, their cooking fires smoky from wet wood. It feels like they’re encircling us and that makes me uncomfortable. We’re supposed to be the free ones.

“That’s a new camp,” Will says, pointing to a fire just starting close by (they're all new camps or should be as they were all passing the fence and heading off into the distance, not heading out to the fields). Around it, people are setting up rudimentary shelters. One has a pot out and has put water in it, ready to go over the fire. “Any idea who?”

“Group’s just passed,” I say. “Caramel skin – from somewhere hot.” Most are, but recently we’ve even had Influx from the southern reaches of Ireland. “Didn’t look like a group to worry about.” I don’t mention the girl to Will. What can one girl do, after all?

“Give me the rifle,” said Will, his tone formal. “Your duty shift (there's probably a military tterm bus I can't remember it - and really he should have his own rifle but maybe they are scarce) is over, Harry, and mine is to begin.”

The words of the guard-changeover. I unsling the rifle, (was half at the ready before) and hand it over. Will takes it, just like I’ll take it back off him in the morning, and checks it over, making sure the barrels its are loaded but that the safety is on.

He nods. “Good work, little Harry. Go, get food.” He grins, but it’s not mean like Mike or Dolfer’s would be. “You need it to grow.” His eyes narrow. “But, be careful. Your man. He’s in quare form.” (Dialect makes for problems IMO whats wrong with a bad mood - and if what others have said about irish meanings it may be better to avoid some 'terms' )

My man, not his. My stomach knots, tightening under my ribs. Bryan in a temper never bodes well. I start to climb down, picking the first support with care. I wish I could stay with Will, curled up for the night in the corner of the guard-tower and safe.

“Harry.” His quiet voice stops me. “Be careful, won’t you?”

“I’m always careful around Bryan,” I say.

“Not just that.” Will smiles and I think it might be the saddest I’ve ever seen. “Around Home. Things… change, from time to time. Keep your head down, Harry. Keep out of any trouble that might want to find you. And –- ” He shakes his head, and goes back to staring over the encampments that surround us.”I’m sorry. It’s all sh*te.”

“It is,” I say because it’s true, and then I don’t have anything more to say, and later I’m sorry I didn’t ask him what was the matter, and did he want to talk. Maybe it would have changed things if I had.


I found it positionally out of kinter. We have the horizon set just below the tower. Harry able to see things from the height of his tower he shouldn't be able to and people walking of into the distance that is also just below the tower.

As I mentioned, I find introducing dialect into a character can be difficult unless the writer has actual eperience of the words (as in is a native speaker). In any case introducing dialectic words just to avoid the offensive English version could be considered worse, especially if it's only once in the book.

You also need to explain why he gets frazzled (and why he doesn't do what the influxers do)because they seem to avoid it. If it's because they cover up then the facial details (like age) would be obscured.

Also the reason for the bell - I get it, but surely if the rule is cross the fence and get shot, that would be good enough to warn the other towers. Are we in a situation where they can waste electricity on a fence - no mention of lights at night

Didn't get the tracings on the wood

However, I like the premise. I can see the girl plays a larger role (though I could be wrong).

I think you need to expand the background to all this, but I suppose that may have been done elsewhere.

Hope I helped

Tein
 
@Jo Zebedee

I read it through quite smoothly and got the picture immediately. There may be a line or two I'd drop, but that's just your writing style. Good stuff.

The problem I have is with the need for the Irish words.

@Joshua Jones: 'your man/your woman' as used by Irish simply means 'him/her'. But in a directed sense of referring to a particular individual without naming them -- sort of. No-one would know this who had not been around Irish people for a while.

'Quare' was immediately misunderstood too.

So this is already making the dialogue difficult to understand, right at the first chapter. We know we're in Ireland. Or perhaps we are, that will become clear quite soon anyway. We know the Irish have their own accents.

Perhaps just a reminder here and there, but the use of terms that will be obscure to non-Irish readers doesn't seem necessary, and perhaps counter-productive?
 
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Thanks all - this is funded by the Arts Council of NI and the pitch was for it to have an NI feel - so I have to walk a fine line. Exposition isn’t a problem it seems but the dialogue might be. I’ll add some additional context around quare and your man.

Thanks for the bits, Tein - I’ll address those :)
 
... this is funded by the Arts Council of NI and the pitch was for it to have an NI feel - so I have to walk a fine line ...
There's a challenge for you then, lol.

Sorry, but @HareBrain is right about severe sunburn. It's a bad burn injury that can land up in hospital. Even moderate sunburn is actually very painful. (You really are Irish, aren't you!) :)
 
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There's a challenge for you then, lol.

Sorry, but @HareBrain is right about severe sunburn. It's a bad burn injury that can land up in hospital. Even moderate sunburn is actually very painful. (You really are Irish, aren't you!) :)

I just don’t allow the sun near me ;)

I’ve fixed that bit, cheers :)

I did okay with Inish Carraig and @TheDustyZebra was great at catching what didn’t make sense!
 
Perhaps you mean to indicate tolerance to the sun, in which case a person's skin becomes brown and leathery and tough and no longer burns or blisters.
 
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