The rapid decline of the natural world

I'm optimistic in the very long term. In a few million years another biosphere will arise to replace the one we trashed -- and if our current level of consciousness arises again (or miraculously survives) future people won't be able to make the same mistakes, since we've already used all the readily available fossil fuels, and no one will be able to build another industrial civilisation from scratch.
 
I'm optimistic in the very long term. In a few million years another biosphere will arise to replace the one we trashed -- and if our current level of consciousness arises again (or miraculously survives) future people won't be able to make the same mistakes, since we've already used all the readily available fossil fuels, and no one will be able to build another industrial civilisation from scratch.

That's quite grim and yet hopeful all at the same time. I like the way you think!
 
I'm optimistic in the very long term. In a few million years another biosphere will arise to replace the one we trashed -- and if our current level of consciousness arises again (or miraculously survives) future people won't be able to make the same mistakes, since we've already used all the readily available fossil fuels, and no one will be able to build another industrial civilisation from scratch.

That's an excellent point HB. We are merely a tiny blip in the graph of the vast time scale that is life on Earth.

When we talk about ecological collapse, global warming etc... yes there are a lot of negative things happening to the habitat and the species it carries, but the main negative of these disasters are how they impact our ability to run our civilisation. Our demands will change one way or another as time goes by, and eventually it will stop.

(However, if we decide to 'Dyson Swarm' our sun, we may end up taking the Earth apart for it's materials to construct millions upon millions of O'Neill habitats, so that would be pretty one way and very destructive. But then we'd have much more space to put lots of life from the planet...)
 
I take the point about the long timescale and the blip, but the current ecology of the world is so gorgeous, I don't want to lose it, so to me the most important paragraph is
"Although their conclusions are stark, the IPBES authors are not entirely gloomy about Earth’s prospects. In offering practical options for future action, they want to show that it is not too late to slow down or even reverse degradation."

I am signing petitions to politicians, both UK and other nations, on various subjects which I'd probably better not detail as probably count as current affairs.

I financially support several charities - which all support local people with jobs and training and involvement at higher levels. (As in it isn't westerners imposing from the outside, it is a lot of self-determination.) It is also not post-crisis humanitarian aid, it is trying to prevent the crisis in the first place. They are also lean charities, with a lower spend on admin.

I'd particularly like to highlight

CHASE Africa who provide health care, family planning, tree planting against erosion, tree planting for wood lots and crops and advice on improving farming techniques through local methods to improve yields without needing more land for farming.

Fauna and Flora International who work on entire environments, both plants and individual species, and involve locals in all their projects, frequently handing over new protected areas to be run by the locals.
 
This discussion brings mind the 1972 film Silent Running.
 
Read Silent Spring 1962 Rachel Carson and then see the effects today of not heeding the warnings of corporate greed and the government control that is needed to sustain the planet
 

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