9.14: The Walking Dead - Scars

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An outsider's arrival forces Alexandria to rehash devastating old wounds; eye-opening secrets from the past are revealed.

 

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So once upon time Michonne got pregnant and while she was waiting for Rick Jr to pop out, Michonne wandered the world, carrying Rick's gun on her side as if was more comforting than her trusty old katana.

It must be hard to live without a partner and feel responsible for the whole community. Rick did it so effortlessly, even though he was somewhat bad leader. But I'm glad that they finally explained why she is so angry these days.

I have also started trusting into Daryl's silent leadership. He might appear taking orders, but in fact, he is leading the group in so ways. It's like he is this old ranger, in many ways similar to Old Man Kenobi, who were guarding the treasure till the end of days.

Michoenne, however, she has been turned since Rick's death. We know that he's not dead. But he is as dead to her as anyone else, even if she might feel in her heart that he's alive. Yet, she is so stone hard bad a**. She can take punishment like any man, and survive.

It felt so bad, when she was branded and still carrying a baby, while her old friend order a child to conduct pure torture. But I hated that they didn't show how Daryl managed to incapacite their guard and escape then escape the hook.

The following fight was the hardest and probably the most shocking in TWD's history. I cannot recall another scene like it and we are not at the end of the season.

What have they reserved for the end, when this episode made me cry so much?

 

[Dave]

There was a storm online about this episode. I avoided reading everything because I hadn't seen it, but understand the reason why now.

Personally, I find these flashback episodes irritating. I never know if it is the present or a flashback and find it hard to make head nor tail of what is going on. At least in this episode, the younger Judith and pregnant Michonne made that a little more easy, but it still felt disjointed. I would refer them to tell the story in a linear manner. We have had most of a Season left wondering what the big "event" that happened was. This did actually explain everything and it looks like things will change now.

 

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There was a storm online about this episode. I avoided reading everything because I hadn't seen it, but understand the reason why now.

Yeah. I saw some of that too. But I couldn't get myself to write the whole thing, because I'm feeling so sick for GP committing a malpractice on Mrs Grey and leaving a chronic pain patient in almost paralysing pain.

I just let it roll and I just enjoyed the story as much as I could. TWD is dark, but it is also showing events that could never happen in our world.

 

[nixie]

TWD meets Lord of the Flies, no wonder Michonne doesn't allow people into Alexandria. Takes in a friend welcomes her and the children, for them not only to steal the Alexandrian kids but brand Michonne and Daryl, were going to kill Judith and the others. She didn't want to kill,wanted to take them in she had to make an impossible choice, one she can't forgive herself for.
It was a disturbing episode but also rather enjoyable .

 

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TWD meets Lord of the Flies

What happened in the Lord of the Flies? I never read it, as it was a religious book and I didn't belong to the church, so I kind of skipped it. Was it a similar situation, where a friend comes to visit and then commits horrible acts?

 

[Marvin]

Anyone else think Anakin Skywalker Happy place

 

[Marvin]

As disturbing as that was, I still think that scene many seasons ago, when Carol ‘deals’ with the young girl in the secluded cottage garden.
The girl that was leaving the rats out in the prison. Chilling.

 

[nixie]

Lord of Flies is a group of kids on a deserted island who go feral, they turn on each other, eat each other. Maybe Children of the Corn would be a better comparison.

 

[svalbard]

What happened in the Lord of the Flies? I never read it, as it was a religious book and I didn't belong to the church, so I kind of skipped it. Was it a similar situation, where a friend comes to visit and then commits horrible acts?

Lord of the Flies is not a religious book. Can't say much more about it except that you should read it. A bona fide classic. Which leads me to this episode. I think this will go down as one of those great TWD episodes. For once the flashback scenes worked especially the way there cut from the fight with the kids to Michonne scyhting her way through the zombies.

The acting was strong, it answered a lot of questions and there is no where left but to go but forward with the story. And there wasn't a whole lot of Henry.

 

[REBerg]

Personally, I find these flashback episodes irritating. I never know if it is the present or a flashback and find it hard to make head nor tail of what is going on. At least in this episode, the younger Judith and pregnant Michonne made that a little more easy, but it still felt disjointed. I would refer them to tell the story in a linear manner.

Yeah! They could have run the flashbacks in longer segments and avoided the need to change gears so often. Michonne's pregnancy was also my guide.
My own annoyance and confusion were amplified by DirecTV apparently running commercials over parts of the show. Not the first time it has done that.
The killing of the kids was exceptionally shocking, but they gave Michonne no choice. It was kill or be killed. Jocelyn had brainwashed her young charges well.

 

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The killing of the kids was exceptionally shocking, but they gave Michonne no choice. It was kill or be killed.

Yeah, but as they were kids, it was a strange that the brainwashing was so strong. I am certain they understod that hitting a pregnant lady would be bad, super bad.

 

[Dave]

I think she had made them think that all adults were "bad" - she talked about others in her original group being unable to change and adapt to the new violent world, and maybe there were mental health issues in that group - so that if adults weren't exactly against the children, they were a kind of dead weight to carry around. However, she wasn't exactly young herself, and if so, the children would eventually turn on her too. There are a number of 1970's Sci-Fi books, films and TV where the theme was similar - teenagers in some sort of false paradise, not knowing what will happen when they become adults themselves. Or else, where the teenagers thought they were the brave new world, and better than the old world of the adults. I'm thinking of The Tomorrow People and The Tripods series and others that I only have a vague recollection of. It was simply a rehashing of those themes.

 

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The Tripods series

At the beginning it was about the survival and come-into-age, but at the end, when they are inside the alien facility, the survival turns its head and the whole thing becomes a rebellion and then an escape back to humanity. The Tripods was one of my favourite YA books.

However, she wasn't exactly young herself, and if so, the children would eventually turn on her too.

Then what? Survive on your own, with no knowledge of certain things that are there in the world. Just start from the scratch and begin to wonder what the "creators" might done with that thing?

 

[REBerg]

There are a number of 1970's Sci-Fi books, films and TV where the theme was similar - teenagers in some sort of false paradise, not knowing what will happen when they become adults themselves.

"And the Children Shall Lead" ... with Jocelyn taking the role of Gorgan.

 

[grip junky]

I loved this episode! As far as the kids go I found that very real. All you have to think of to see how real they were is the Hitler Youth, or the children soldiers of Uganda/Africa.

Hear it here first, Judith lets Negan out and he saves the day.

 

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As far as the kids go I found that very real.

Do you have a personal experience?

 

[grip junky]

I am not a very good writer, if I made it seem that way I am sorry. I have read a bunch about the Hitler Youth, and the children soldiers of Africa.

As far as being indoctrinated, I was on Parris Island. I have never seen the world, killing or dying the same. It seems strange but I think that is why I watch this show with a different eye. I do not even get why so many of you think Rick was a bad leader. I get his whys.

 

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I just thought you might had seen bullies and you recognised what the kids were going through by something you had experienced. I've seen and experienced so much that I've created some strong feelings to certain things and they get me emotional. So, I though, when you said with "the kids being real," that there was something more behind it, but you might not want to talk about it.

Sorry to be nosy. It's not my business if there is something. I'm just a very curious fellow.

 

[svalbard]

Beasts of no Nation is a compelling and disturbing movie about child soldiers in Africa. It shows how quickly children can be indoctrinated into believing almost anything and then committing the most horrendous crimes. It is terrifying that they are doing this out of a certain innocence(it is a concept that is difficult to capture) and it is only in later years that they will see the true horror of the what they have done, if they are lucky enough to escape.