The Expanse - 2.08: Pyre

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This ship should not have existed. But it does and that is the difference to the scenes at Ganymede, as the events unfolding after the sky came down, there were a lot of people living in that Saturn moon.

None of them got rescued because the inner planets didn't wanted to get involved in the rescue efforts as they were too busy on pointing fingers at each other. Prax (Praxidike Meng) was caught in that chaos and he lost his daughter. Or so he thought until Holden's crew arrived on Fred Johnson's orders.

I kind of like the change even if I don't understand what happened to those underground installations, because Prox couldn't be dreaming on being working at the greenhouse when the skymirror tumbled through the roof.

It kind of show that Belt isn't a sanctury. And the people in the Belt ain't close to saints. Quite the opposite. They are human just like rest of us and they work like humans do. People in the charge might be under an illusion that everything's fine and dandy, but when you look at what they've swept under the rug, you'll see the dirt and grime that is mostly produced by absolute poverty.

Things over there aren't much different than what you see for example in Syria or in other conflict areas. What I also like is that Holden's and Naomi's relationship isn't out from Loveboat. In fact, those two are scrapping like rest of the people in our days. They all have problems. Amos included.

Nothing is perfect and life is a struggle until you die.

People do hideous things. They can't help it. Not even the rich people. Spacing couple dozen people is nothing to them even if we recognise it as a crime. The poor people, who would listen to them?

Life in the expanse is just like ours. Not much different. Even the fights between characters are just like you'd see them happening in the real life. You get used to it, just like they have, because there's no other choice.

I think this episode was most depressing one in the season. Maybe even in whole series. Is this the future we want to live in? I hope Holden and his crew find a new safe harbour for the Rosinate.
 
Season 2 Episode 8: Pyre

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A very dark episode, between spacing inners, losing children (or not) and the general comparison drawn to the refugee crisis, not a lot of happy times going on in this episode. Glad they finally got Prax into this (although they have inevitably tinkered heavily with the source material), it was quite distressing to watch him go through the pain of thinking he'd lost his daughter and then losing Doris and no-one seeming to care.

Amos is definitely having issues after the run-in with the refugees, let's just hope he can use this mission to find Mei to bring him back. Alex's reaction to him in the scene where they argue was brilliant, he genuinely looked terrified of Amos, and Amos didn't look like backing down there for a sec. Still, who else is gonna fly the Roci?

Fred showed his mettle in this episode as well, refusing to back down from the OPA rebels, but Drummer showed how they treat their enemies. Only lingering thought was that Drummer was very quick to 'off' the bad guys, was she angry or was she trying to hide her own possible implications into this?

And as usual Dawes killed his scene, even if it was just a message, what a message. Looks like the revolution has started people!

Great to hear it's been renewed for Season 3, maybe finally they will start publishing it to a wider audience!
 
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Finally all caught up on this season. It just keeps getting better! Love Drummer in the last episode. I love what they're doing with Gunny, too, and really looking forward to seeing that storyline evolve. This is such an epically well-cast show; there is literally no one I hate, even the bad guys you're supposed to hate. Excellent acting all around.
 
A very dark episode, between spacing inners, losing children (or not) and the general comparison drawn to the refugee crisis, not a lot of happy times going on in this episode. Glad they finally got Prax into this (although they have inevitably tinkered heavily with the source material), it was quite distressing to watch him go through the pain of thinking he'd lost his daughter and then losing Doris and no-one seeming to care.
That scene was a horrific surprise to me, especially lingering on the spaced Doris -- already dead, but with her mouth still spasming to breathe until she her body froze.
OK. The Belters are a hard lot. I get it.

Drummer showed how they treat their enemies. Only lingering thought was that Drummer was very quick to 'off' the bad guys, was she angry or was she trying to hide her own possible implications into this?
I liked Drummer's summary execution of her enemies -- no due process nonsense for this woman of action. It didn't occur to me that she might be hiding her own complicity. She didn't hesitate to go off with her old boss, Dawes.
 
That scene was a horrific surprise to me, especially lingering on the spaced Doris -- already dead, but with her mouth still spasming to breathe until she her body froze.
OK. The Belters are a hard lot. I get it.

I liked Drummer's summary execution of her enemies -- no due process nonsense for this woman of action. It didn't occur to me that she might be hiding her own complicity. She didn't hesitate to go off with her old boss, Dawes.

Well she did take a bullet for Fred, although it's not like she volunteered to do so, but I did wonder if some of the anger was at the possibility that she was 'in essence' on Dawes' side, and therefore the idiots basically shot one their own, albeit unknowingly. Maybe her response was anger towards how Dawes' words had led to her getting shot. I'm just theorising of course, there's no reason to believe this is the case, simply like you said that Dawes' approached her in the previous episode and we don't know what was said...
 
My theory on Drummer(a great character) is that she is on Fred's side and therefore a true believer in Belter independence. Just not the Dawes version. She has history with him. We can see that in her conversation with him and what she has alluded to herself. It might not be a happy history. I think she is devoted to Fred. That is my theory on it. Book readers probably know more.
 
Nope. She is a new character and fitting one, because without her and Dawes angle the Belt operations would look a bit different.
I think Drummer in the TV series is a replacement for the Fred's Engineer on Tycho (in the books) that betrays him and sets up the faction rebellion on the station. I do not trust her.
 
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enjoyed ep 8, a bit of a "take a breath and develop things before getting back into the action" kind of episode, which i think was necessary. will be good to see Gunny's storyline develop next ep.

i think Drummer just realised that Fred's justice wasn't enough for her so dispensed belter justice to the two she sees as traitors.
 

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