First-person present technique

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I'm reading a book at the moment written in first person present tense, and though this author's writing is better than many examples, I'm still finding myself picking up a lot of places where the first-present mode isn't done "properly". By which I mean, of course, "to my taste".

My main reason for this thread is to find out if many people share my view about the best way to do it, or whether (as is possible) I'm being unusually and hopelessly picky.

In third person, we're familiar with the difference between omniscient and close-third. In close third the text keeps to what the character knows and sees, their own style of language, etc. In a close-third POV a text wouldn't have a character in a heated battle reminisce at length about what he had for dinner the night before; it would break the illusion that was are in the character experience, which is the thing that creates immediacy. But in omni such a thing might work if done for a good reason, because the narrator is not the character.

In first person, everything is close to the character automatically, because character and narrator are the same. But you could say that first-past is something like omni in third, because it is a tale told at a distance (but in time rather than person), and first-present is, or ought to be, like close-third, but perhaps even tighter.

Present tense is held to be more immediate, and I think this is why it is often chosen, especially in YA. (It was almost never seen before The Hunger Games, and is now almost ubiquitous.) But for that to work, to my mind, it needs to reflect the real-time experience of the character. At its most stark, this means it should be as close as possible to a combination of unfiltered sensory experience, and direct thought.

So, "I stare at the view for five minutes" to me doesn't work. It suggests that the character's chief awareness is of themselves looking at the view. But in reality, their awareness should be of the view itself. The passage should be a description of the view, with the "I" suppressed.

Similarly, "I lie on the bed and think about what we did last night" suggests the character's main focus is of themselves thinking. The author would do better to just relate the thoughts. Incidentally, such periods of reflection are about the only times when flashbacks work in first-present. People don't in reality tend to think about past events in detail when they're engaged in something else that needs their attention.

I realise this is taking a pretty hard view of what first-present should be like. And it is really hard to write well. Some things that require almost no thought at all in past tense become almost impossible, especially "summary" passages. For example, I don't think you could use a linking method like, "Two hours later, we start off again", because the word "later" belongs to the time of stopping, and we are now in the moment of starting (if that makes sense). Even "After two hours, we start off again" suggests that the character, at the moment of starting, is focused on the length of time since stopping. Which they might be in certain circumstances, but probably not many.

Is this being really picky? Most critiquers don't hesitate to point out when a close-third text does something that feels too distanced for that mode. And yet I almost never see first-present done this rigorously, or at least not consistently throughout a text. A lot of it feels like past tense translated into present, in a way that someone might in real life when telling an anecdote after the event ("so I go up to him and give him his money, and he says ...").

So, to what extent is this "tight" version of first-present necessary, or desirable?
 
I think there is a need to balance the point of view with the need to tell a story. Just as it’s okay to pop out of third person to omni (or even to another POV, contrary to oft-stated advice here) sometimes to ensure the story makes sense by inserting back story (without info dumping), even if things have to be stretched.
I also wonder where your preferred first person present style sits against streams of consciousness. For me it would be a little too close to that and I might struggle to stay in the story without a little stage direction.

at least the writing wasn’t worse than others :D
 
It is just a pov for narration. You are telling the reader, in "real time", unfolding events as they occur and your thoughts, which are also events but independent.
Telling both the story in front of the retina and the story behind it.
Present tense thoughts take place in real time but are not temporally locked the way events are, they can still be reflective.
A pov movie for example will show the events but not the protagonists thoughts, so is purely experiential whereas the written protagonist relays both the "cinematic eye" and the internal processes. So in a way one is documenting two processes, the internal and the external.
The two have different dynamics, the art is to create chords in the mixing.
 
Just as it’s okay to pop out of third person to omni (or even to another POV, contrary to oft-stated advice here) sometimes to ensure the story makes sense by inserting back story (without info dumping), even if things have to be stretched.

For me, that's different. An artful pull-back from close-third can work because it doesn't break the understanding that there is an external narrator. But I don't see that wiggle-room with first-present. I would prefer a different way to insert backstory, either a period when reflection made sense, or (even better) through dialogue. That's partly why first-present is so hard: it's uncompromising. But when it really works, it's brilliant.

I also wonder where your preferred first person present style sits against streams of consciousness. For me it would be a little too close to that and I might struggle to stay in the story without a little stage direction.

I suppose it's close to it sometimes, and that could be wearing if care isn't taken. And I take your point that it needs to be readable. But for my taste (which is what this thread is about), I would rather it felt as if the author had started from the "pure" form and then made concessions to readability, rather than start by translating past-tense. (I'm not saying that's how they work, but that's how it can read.) I guess maybe I was spoiled by my first experience. The first first-present novel I read was Number9Dream by David Mitchell, which to me is so brilliant partly because the unusual tense, and its new restrictions, force his language and expression to be so inventive. I found this also in my own attempt at it; it encourages you to think outside the box in terms of expression. But even in Number9Dream there are times when the telling becomes less "pure", for convenience and to promote flow.

Present tense thoughts take place in real time but are not temporally locked the way events are, they can still be reflective.

Yes, but the reflection still needs to be in keeping with the present, no? You wouldn't have someone reminiscing in detail about a holiday when they're in a fight?
 
Context, context. "I stare at the view for five minutes" raises questions, which could very well be answered by knowing the rest of the scene. Or not.

The first thing is, why is the character staring? What's happening in this scene that allows for a time out? Are they thinking about something, wrestling with some big decision? Maybe we've heard the (internal) debate and this is a kind of breather just before the decision. In which case the staring could be done at the view, the wall, shoes, the cat.

In which case, why five minutes? That feels overly precise. It implies that the time period is the most important thing in the action. That could be. Maybe the character has to wait exactly five minutes before pressing the button or leaving the room. Probably not, but again context is everything.

So, either the pause is important, the view is important, or the time period is important. In which case, the context would indicate that.

Or, none of it is important, the writer is just marking time, and the sentence is a distraction that an editor should have caught.

But any single sentence pulled out of context is going to be hard to defend, easy to criticize. It's a bit like taking a single phrase out of a symphony.
 
I think you run into problems no matter how you slice it. I find a 1st Person present to be odd no matter what. It kind of feells like the POV character is giving a running commentary or play by play if their day. But of course no one ever does that. So unless it's pure stream of consciousness there will always be points of description that aren't 100 percent natural to a person's mind. As a reader, it doesn't bother me if the story is good. After all, I'm not the I of the story, I'm just a guy staring at ink on paper. So for me finding the best way to tell the story is where the balance lies. How to give the reader the information they need and keep them engaged.
Critiquers are different than readers, I find, in that they will deliver feedback on isolated portions of a book but readers tend to react to the presentation as a whole, unless there is a sentence or passage that breaks the story illusion.
I find what you say about reminiscing during a fight to be of a another issue for me. Regardless of pov and tense, such a move would halt the action. So unless it was to achieve a certain effect, like a blow to the head shakes loose a strange memory that is the real focus, I can't see it working in any POV or tense.
 
Context, context. "I stare at the view for five minutes" raises questions, which could very well be answered by knowing the rest of the scene. Or not.

The first thing is, why is the character staring? What's happening in this scene that allows for a time out? Are they thinking about something, wrestling with some big decision? Maybe we've heard the (internal) debate and this is a kind of breather just before the decision. In which case the staring could be done at the view, the wall, shoes, the cat.

In which case, why five minutes? That feels overly precise. It implies that the time period is the most important thing in the action. That could be. Maybe the character has to wait exactly five minutes before pressing the button or leaving the room. Probably not, but again context is everything.

So, either the pause is important, the view is important, or the time period is important. In which case, the context would indicate that.

Or, none of it is important, the writer is just marking time, and the sentence is a distraction that an editor should have caught.

But any single sentence pulled out of context is going to be hard to defend, easy to criticize. It's a bit like taking a single phrase out of a symphony.

My point was that "I stare at X" is distanced from the character's experience. The character would be aware of what they were staring at, not the act of staring itself. It's like the use of an even stronger filter word in close-third. ("She heard the car backfire" as against "The car backfired".)
 
So, a while back I started on a first person present tense story as an exercise into writing a way I have never previously done.

It's a difficult way to write for all the reasons mentioned above (and the occasional slip into past tense whenever I took a break to write something else 'normally').

For the passage of time, I discovered it reads better if you describe it from the present looking back into the past, so rather than "I stood there for five minutes" it could be "It had been five minutes of mindless waiting and now I..." Those are terrible examples but I'm just riffing here.

I was planning at some point to put a little up for critique but I know that first person present annoys a lot of people by default :)
 
My default writing mode is 1st person, although I have experimented with close 3rd (still plagued by ‘head hopping’), and I tend to only read narratives in these two modes. I need immediacy to draw me in.
 
Writing in present tense definitely shortens the word count, which is good for getting max story onto min paper.

When writing it it also helps linearise the story - stops the flashback and convoluted loops in the subplot arcs - which makes for an easier read.

I thought it was easy to do until I tried it! So do not underestimate the skill required to do present tense.

As for first person point of view - yes you need the blinker you POV character - but how you blinker him/her/it varies. If you allow time to be perceived time rather than actual time you have to take into account the concentration and focus elements of your POV. You also have to consider how to write motives into the script. Most motives are driven from the subconscious level - you can say instinct pushed them to do this - but when you do that you lose out on characterisation which to a certain extent is driven by background. The other thing you have to take into account is what the person takes as the norm - that person will not mention unless it has changed. For instance they could smell of boiled cabbage all the time, but they would not normally mention it.
 
My default writing mode is 1st person, although I have experimented with close 3rd (still plagued by ‘head hopping’), and I tend to only read narratives in these two modes. I need immediacy to draw me in.
Me too, It has become almost a default mode for me too now. It leads to a clean narrative in both chronology and information.
 
Keep what works in the context of the book's voice, regardless of "rules."
Don't keep what doesn't work.
Apologies if that sounds too glib or unconvincing, but I really don't think it matters that much. If the reader is racing through the story and enjoying it, you're on to a winner. I do think writing technique is important, but perhaps not as important as is generally thought. The main reason to learn writing rules is to know how to break them to get the effect you want. John Crowley used to refer to the "snake's hands," by which he meant the occasional diversions, loops and sub-plots which actually add to a novel. Snake's hands are fine. Enjoy them.
PS - how many times did Tolkien use the word "was" in his text? Hundreds of times too many. Doesn't matter though.
 
But any single sentence pulled out of context is going to be hard to defend, easy to criticize. It's a bit like taking a single phrase out of a symphony.

This is good, and I think the point applies to more than just sentences. It's the emotional impact of the symphony that matters, not how closely the composer stuck to the rules.
To quote Zaphod Beeblebrox: relax.
 
Okay, so I did a quick search and found a few examples of this 'bad writing' in my attempt. The most egregious being "I meander through the various streets for nearly an hour, clearing my head and thinking through the best approach to make." Dealing with short time jumps is probably the cause for most of these, when it's a big one I seem to handle it a lot better but when I'm in a hurry to 'get somewhere' it's harder to devote time to go through what's happening.

Maybe, "The cobbled roads eventually lead me to Stonegate street. I've had nearly an hour to think through my approach and I hope they'll listen to reason."
 
First person is fine. Plenty of detective novels use that. Present tense is more difficult for me. I can't think of a single novel where it was handled well. It doesn't feel immediate at all to me, only contrived. And .matthew. is quite right--small time jumps are especially problematic. It's like the narrator blinks out of existence for a time.

Might as well pile on here. Various streets? Is it really important to tell me that? Nearly an hour? Is the narrator checking their watch? Is it more important to the story to specify an hour rather than just for a while? Never mind the low likelihood of anyone spending an hour mind-clearing. I guess it doesn't matter what was in the mind, only that there was stuff to be cleared. *blargh* Honestly, though, bad writing is going to happen no matter the person or tense.
 
I agree with Stephen on this. I grew up reading books like Dune which were quite happy to move cleanly from one perspective to another within a single scene, to show the thoughts of all present. I've been told that this is wrong - it isn't if it's done well, but a lot of people are currently trained to think that anything like this is a straight-up error. I think you have to balance up whether the "special effect" being used jars the reader out of the story more than it moves them through the story, and if it helps rather than hinders, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
Might as well pile on here. Various streets? Is it really important to tell me that? Nearly an hour? Is the narrator checking their watch? Is it more important to the story to specify an hour rather than just for a while? Never mind the low likelihood of anyone spending an hour mind-clearing. I guess it doesn't matter what was in the mind, only that there was stuff to be cleared. *blargh* Honestly, though, bad writing is going to happen no matter the person or tense.

In context of the story, he was unable to get a taxi from his current location and his destination wasn't just around the corner so cue the various. Could definitely have been done much better but first draft of a style I'm not used to...

As to the time thing, don't you check your watch (or phone these days) on at least a semi regular basis? The hour was spent walking and planning the next move which isn't detailed because it happens in the next few lines. Nearly an hour also feels more precise than just saying a while which could be anything from a few minutes to a few hours. So he walked for almost an hour, which also denotes a long distance travelled at walking speed. The sun also set in that time changing the atmosphere of the next scene.

But yea, not a critique thread for me, so I do think that moving the time spent to an introspection in the present works better - for this style of writing - than declaring the time to be spent in the future in a half past tense way.

:)
 
For first-person narration, I'm never able to ignore the context in which the narrating is supposedly being done. So I've written stories, and sketched a novel, which are supposed to be the first-person character's memoirs (as in, they're the ones supposed to be doing the writing), so in the past tense; but I simply can't conceive what the first-person present-tense narrator is supposed to be doing: narrating to themselves? Doing a running commentary for the sake of an invisible interlocutor? This is why this feels to me like a really artificial mode of narration, and I can't get past that artificiality to immerse myself in the story.
 
Hmmm. So I’ve just written a novel in first present (it is the novel Harebrain is currently reading, as it happens). I mostly write third past but I do write first often in short stories.
I have no real preference for reading stories in (although I find 2nd quite tricky) - provided I like the characters I’ll keep reading.
In this case I didn’t set out to choose first-present, it just kind of didn’t go away (I’ll often start in first until I’ve learned the character voices).
For me, it makes no difference. I truly don’t get why first present is a problem. It’s a story, told through a character. Does it matter who is being narrated to or through? We all know the real narrator is always the character who is telling the story. It’s just they do it in different ways.
 
I might try to dig out a section for critique and link to here.

here you go. I’m pretty sure some of the stuff that is discussed in this thread are in this sample.
 
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