Units of Measurement

In fact the use of base 10 in our counting system almost certainly results from the fact that we have 10 fingers. I imagine a primitive man counting on his fingers until he runs out, and then placing a pebble in a pot (the '10s' column) before starting again with his fingers.
I'd say that the reason we use base 10 is, without question, because we have 10 fingers. Vigesimal systems (base 20) were also once common all over the world (the Mayan and Aztecs are most well known) but that was because they used all their fingers and all their toes too.
 
Nowadays, with people hiding their toes in shoes, we should probably use duodecimal (base 12) .
And base 6 in the winter if folks are wearing mittens.
 
My granddaughter counted to two yesterday (and I mean by that, that she actually understood the meaning, as she picked out two bottles, rather than just saying the "words" 'one, two, three' by rote.) We have a lot of binary things on the body - feet, shoes, socks, legs, knees, arms, shoulders, hands, mittens, eyes, ears, lips... but binary numbers become very long and unmanageable, very quickly and it is quite easy to see why we never used them for notation.

I agree with the previous posts though, a hexadecimal or duodecimal system, one which was based upon a number that is divisible in several different ways, would be much more useful. i.e. 10 is divisible by only 1,2 and 5. 16 is divisible by 1,2,4, and 8. But 12 is divisible by 1,2,3,4 and 6.

That such a small number is so easily divided in different ways explains why the dozen was used for baking, manufacturing and sales, rather than 10.
 
Why would base 12 be any more cumbersome for math than base 10? Multiplying and dividing by 12 becomes much easier.
This isn't about the characters, it's about your audience. If you write for a base-12 using audience, then you're in the right to think base 12 is the way to go. In the meantime, can you tell me what 12 to the 7th power is? How about 10 to the 7th? There is some math that's easier to do base π, and there's plenty of good reason to consider using base e. It would have to be a major story point to be worth confusing your readers over.
 
This isn't about the characters, it's about your audience... can you tell me what 12 to the 7th power is?
We weren't (not originally anyway) talking about Higher Maths. The thread is about units of measurement, so your "audience" is predominantly ordinary people doing simple everyday maths (addition, subtraction, multiplication and division) as traders, salesmen, artisans and customers, and not engineers, physicists or computer scientists (well it could be if it's a SF story.) My point is that a dozen is a much easier unit to work with (most especially for division) than a pack of ten. How often does one ever need to say what 12 to the 7th power is when working on a market stall? (Or in a SF story for that matter?)

I seriously doubt, however, that for any kind of purpose we will ever change from base 10. For Higher Maths you may be correct, but even then, people are very resistant to change. The USA still use Imperial measurements rather than Metric. There are even plans for the UK to return to Imperial measurements. I can't really see enough people agreeing to the use of base e or base π, whatever the advantages of those are. It just isn't going to happen.
 
Consider that 12 seconds squared is 2 minutes, 24 seconds. I don't want to even think what 12 seconds to the 7th power would be.
As @farntfar said, if we decided to use base 12 then 12 to the power of 7 would be 10,000,000. Simple. I think using base 12 would have been a marginally better choice (thousands of years ago) than base 10. Its not a huge deal though. 10 has the advantage of matching the number of fingers a human owns (making counting easier). Using a non integer base (like e or pi) would be dreadful for day to day use.
 
As @farntfar said, if we decided to use base 12 then 12 to the power of 7 would be 10,000,000. Simple. I think using base 12 would have been a marginally better choice (thousands of years ago) than base 10. Its not a huge deal though. 10 has the advantage of matching the number of fingers a human owns (making counting easier). Using a non integer base (like e or pi) would be dreadful for day to day use.
Well you can count base 12 using your fingers.
wikipedia said:
Finger-counting systems in use in many regions of Asia allow for counting to 12 by using a single hand. The thumb acts as a pointer touching the three finger bones of each finger in turn, starting with the outermost bone of the little finger. One hand is used to count numbers up to 12. The other hand is used to display the number of completed base-12s. This continues until twelve dozen is reached, therefore 144 is counted.
 
In base 12. Yes. It's 10000000.
Indeed. There are 10 kinds of people: those that understand binary, and those that don't.

Speaking of which:

I seriously doubt, however, that for any kind of purpose we will ever change from base 10.

Software engineers use hexidecimal all the time. It's just convenient.

The point of metric is that it's useful over a much larger range of values. When all you're counting is eggs and donuts, 12's work just fine. If you want to talk about how far your car can drive, it doesn't work well at all. With machine tolerances, we automatically go to a decimal portions, even if we're using inches.
 
Software engineers use hexidecimal all the time. It's just convenient.
You're correct. I shouldn't have added that "for any kind of purpose" because there are probably plenty of purposes where other bases are already in common usage.

I'm glad we don't have to deal with £ s d currency in the UK since 1972 (well, unless you're a historian.) That's 12 pennies to a shilling, and 20 shillings to a £, or 240 pennies to a pound. Add in Crowns and Guineas and you're really talking. Now, that thread here where you suddenly wake up in the past and have to survive...
 
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I find the origins of things quite fascinating. For example, the knot used for measuring a ship's speed came about because, in the seventeenth century, a piece of wood known as a Common Log was thrown over the stern with a length of rope attached. The log was kind of triangular (I'd guess to produce drag and pull on the coil of rope on the ship). The rope had a series of equally spaced knots tied in it and, after a specific amount of time, the number of knots dragged out by the log indicated the speed of the vessel. The values of the Common Log were entered into the ship's logbook.

Such a simple method and naming convention:)

P.S. I'd surmise that the Common Log was so called because it's shape, weight and size would be common to every ship.
 
Yes but knots became nautical miles per hour and in the Eighteenth Century the Admiralty defined the nautical mile so that it was one minute of arc on the Earth's surface, which was convenient and links it back to 60 minutes of arc in a degree and 360 degrees to a circle and so on back to the Babylonians.
 
Yes but knots became nautical miles per hour and in the Eighteenth Century the Admiralty defined the nautical mile so that it was one minute of arc on the Earth's surface, which was convenient and links it back to 60 minutes of arc in a degree and 360 degrees to a circle and so on back to the Babylonians.
Although we don't know why the Sumerians/Babylonians were so keen on a base 60/base 10 number system, my guess (echoed by Greek writers around the 6th century BCE) is that they quickly found that 60 and numbers built on it, especially 360, are superior composite numbers, so making it nice and easy to divide them with lots of smaller numbers.

Also, interestingly, the definition of the nautical mile makes it far more a close cousin of the metre than of the hodge-podge of daft units that were cobbled together in the imperial system. Originally the metre was defined as one ten-millionth of the distance along a great circle between the equator and the pole. So similar to nautical miles, just divided up differently.
 
I find the origins of things quite fascinating. For example, the knot used for measuring a ship's speed came about because, in the seventeenth century, a piece of wood known as a Common Log was thrown over the stern with a length of rope attached. The log was kind of triangular (I'd guess to produce drag and pull on the coil of rope on the ship). The rope had a series of equally spaced knots tied in it and, after a specific amount of time, the number of knots dragged out by the log indicated the speed of the vessel. The values of the Common Log were entered into the ship's logbook.

Such a simple method and naming convention:)

P.S. I'd surmise that the Common Log was so called because it's shape, weight and size would be common to every ship.
And yet the spacing of the Knots was common among all sailors and nobody thought to correlate that spacing to units of measure used on land.

Navigation systems used on small vessels are pretty amazing. Autopilots since the 90s. "Go from present location to that port." One of the interesting features is the UOM button. Choose your unit of measure. Among those choices are "Speed on Land" using terrestrial speeds including the choice of mph/kmh. You can choose knots if you want.
 

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