What do you think is the most irritating part about writing communities?

P.K.Acredon

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My personal irritation is having to put up with people who are buried in so many layers of cognitive dissonance that it is impossible to reason with them and they always turn the conversation into an arguments that have nothing to do with the original discussion. I don't mean something simple like you saying something and then someone not understanding what you mean which could be solved with a simple explanation to help them understand.
I mean people whos only goal is to mindlessly judge you and your work with no proper knowledge of what you're talking about.
It always went like this: I said something that I thought about and asked for peoples thoughts, people got the wrong idea and very condescendingly said I'm not smart enough to talk about those things. I tell them that what their judging is not what I meant and that they should stop judging with no proper knowledge of what I mean. After that they get really defensive and flat-out admit they didn't even know what I was talking about and that I need to be a nicer person and not lash out to peoples criticisms. I then explained to them that they are not criticizing properly which they responded by treating me like a joke who just doesn't want people to critize his stuff.
I am not lying when I say some writing communities are filled with these clowns are they are some of the most annoying experiences I've ever had. They were so bad in-fact that they almost made me quit writing because at the time I thought every one trying to learn how to write was this cognitively dissonant. Just talking about these annoying experiences is making me irrationally upset.
 
Before I had the good fortune to join this wonderful site, I had all of the above problems, with other writing sites. Not all of the members were jerks, but enough of them to encourage me to look for better. The know-it-alls were troublesome, especially the ones who weren't published and didn't know what they were talking about. Then, of course, there were the youngsters who asked for advice when what they really wanted was a glowing review for their sub-standard work. My handle says that I don't teach chickens how to dance. Well, PK, that's why. All that having been said I haven't seen that sort of behavior on Chrons in many years, thanks to our kindly Sherrif Brian G Turner. Enjoy this terrific site. I doubt very much if you'll find better anywhere on the net.
 
Before I had the good fortune to join this wonderful site, I had all of the above problems, with other writing sites. Not all of the members were jerks, but enough of them to encourage me to look for better. The know-it-alls were troublesome, especially the ones who weren't published and didn't know what they were talking about. Then, of course, there were the youngsters who asked for advice when what they really wanted was a glowing review for their sub-standard work. My handle says that I don't teach chickens how to dance. Well, PK, that's why. All that having been said I haven't seen that sort of behavior on Chrons in many years, thanks to our kindly Sherrif Brian G Turner. Enjoy this terrific site. I doubt very much if you'll find better anywhere on the net.
I am so glad someone felt the same way. I was literally worried that some of those kinds of people would reply and defend those clowns. The worst part about the whole thing was how much wasted time was made trying to talk to them. Not to mention every single conversation always turned into an argument making so every discussions turned into the same boring pointless argument about these narcissist's finding every single thing I say an issue. Making so the discussions never went anywhere and I never got a decent answer. These people just have zero consideration. Do they realize that they are in a discussion about writing so the topic should stay on writing? Not about some harmless thing that they think is a very big issue? There was one time when I said something a little sarcastic and they got so riled up and demanded I explained why I am so mean and rude. First of all, I wasn't. They were just over reacting. Second of all, as if they have any right to demand anything from me. But I wanted the discussion to continue so I just told them I have a harsh job sometimes. Then every single post was about how I shouldn't treat people like crap just because my job treats me like crap. Yes, they said it the swear word way as if my behaviors was so aggressive, a swear word had to give it justice. While I'm just thinking in the back of my mind: "Why do you morons have such thin skin? I made this discussion about writing. Why are we talking about my job? It's not even your business!" They always see themselves and what they believe as the center of the universe no matter where they go. It can be a physical room discussing about science or a virtual room discussing about art online. Either way, all they'll see is just another place they can get attention by shoehorning their own ideas in the discussion. And they will demand reality to be their image by selfishly twisting discussions to the things they want to talk about. Its like they can't comprehend the idea that just because they think someone isn't being nice that doesn't mean they're being nice or even correct for that matter. Imagine if you were a teacher and some arrogant students kept bringing the subject off topic and as the teacher you just want to get back on topic so the lesson can continue but the arrogant students won't let it.
All in all, those clowns can think whatever nonsense they want about me. They can waste their lives in their own little worlds and put whatever empty meaningless labels they want on people who don't worship them. Because I'll be some where else at a different site that isn't controlled by this hivemind of narcissism because in they end, I don't have time for their bull. But anyways I'm glad I left those sites and found this one. Seems like a really good site. I mean unlike most other writing sites, this site has moderators that actually know something about management. They make sure that the discussion stays on topic. Some writing sites just let people do stupid things. IF that wasn't bad enough, some sites even have moderates that are just as narcissistic as those people and they will remove and comments you make about how they're biased against you and for the cognitively dissonant.
 
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I have limited my use of forums for similar reasons.
However I'm not sure I've ever been struck by the notion of cognitive dissonance.

When I look at it though, I have to admit that the nature of the internet is conducive to that.

When I say that I mean cognitive dissonance(CD) to be something like this.

Animal rights activist: We should outlaw hunting; it's cruel to animals.
Hunter: I hunt to eat.
ARA: Do like the rest of us and go to the supermarket to get your beef.
Then to add a bit of the twisted to our CD.
Vegetarian: I hunt for pleasure; but I give it to someone who will eat it.
Officer of the Department of Natural Resources: We need to thin the herd--folks.

You can't escape this because:
Unfortunately we live in the world of the WWW--Wild West Web.
Where flaming individual posters was a favorite pastime.
This caused the knee jerk reaction to moderating posts to eliminate the Flame Factors.

This in turn creates a more subtle CD when someone who appears to break the rules is flamed by rule enforcers who cant wait for the moderator to act.

Causing the moderator to come mute the 'someone'(because they started it by breaking a rule) rather than muting the flamers(because rule enforcers are not breaking the rules unless there is a rule that says that the only rule enforcers are moderator).

It all manages to work both ways.

Civilized behavior is measured by politeness and courtesy--the WWW scores in the low percentile most of the time.
 
I don’t mind conversations that derail and quite enjoy the hustle and bustle of the internet. What I don’t get is why, if is upsets you, you stay in the groups. I definitely think there is room to take things less seriously though
 
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My personal irritation is having to put up with people who are buried in so many layers of cognitive dissonance that it is impossible to reason with them

People are people. Everyone is trapped in their own flesh prisons, a floating neural net supported by sugars and chemicals and amino acids. Their net is trained on the constant data of their lives, the lives of the people arounds them and the culture they are inculcated to. In short everyone's experience and knowledge of the world is different in mind boggling ways.

On top of that, everyone has a schema, an ideological framework that sets how they interpret the world around them (Robert Anton Wilson called these Reality Tunnels) - it consists of a series of heuristics - models that encapsulate something about reality that enable us to operate within the world. Because reality is enormously complex, those heuristics are often reduced down to rough approximations - predictions of how people will react in a given situation. Often, these are incorrect. These heuristics are informed by the training data of your life - your early experiences, the information you get from your environment.

Schema, also includes your moral foundations - that is often the kinds of moral ideology that you were conditioned on by your parents or caregivers and the location of your birth - but it also seems to have a genetic component, so that people's political allegiances can be predicted with some accuracy given only your genome. [In case you think I'm going on a tangent here - stick with me - I'm going somewhere].

Whenever you talk to someone, the words you use, the context in which they meet your words, the things going on in their heads is different, which means they will always connote different things. Every word you speak has a connotation - a set of inferences that will spark meanings and associations in your mind.

All of this means that communication is incredibly hard. Most of what you say will never be fully understood by the person you're talking to, as you mean it. It will also be filtered through these layers of schema that lie between your understanding and theirs.

Most often, people are talking past each other. Their starting points so far apart it means they are unable to inhabit the same mental space as the person you're talking to. If you want to see a great demonstration of this, look on Youtube for a video of Noam Chomsky in conversation with Michel Foucault - both of these highly intelligent men's starting points are so far apart that it makes substantive conversation very difficult because they cannot agree on even the most basic frame of reference.

Many times people cannot even see that the words they use mean different things, or that they are not talking with each other about the same thing.

and they always turn the conversation into an arguments that have nothing to do with the original discussion. I don't mean something simple like you saying something and then someone not understanding what you mean which could be solved with a simple explanation to help them understand.

Often, people try to use analogies in order to express their thoughts, and tangents arise because the other participant in the conversation cannot understand the analogy, or fails to engage in the spirit of the conversation.

I mean people whos only goal is to mindlessly judge you and your work with no proper knowledge of what you're talking about.

It's easy to misinterpret something, or assume a motive of the person you're talking to, or take or give offence to someone. People project their own fears and prejudices on other people, especially if they disagree. Usually disagreement is taken to mean other person belongs to "the other tribe" - the type of people your schema defines as "the bad people".

Things like tone also don't translate to the written word so well. Sometimes people can come across as rude or brusque or condescending if they use too many words, or too few, or they try and demonstrate their mental workings.

It always went like this: I said something that I thought about and asked for peoples thoughts, people got the wrong idea and very condescendingly said I'm not smart enough to talk about those things. I tell them that what their judging is not what I meant and that they should stop judging with no proper knowledge of what I mean. After that they get really defensive and flat-out admit they didn't even know what I was talking about and that I need to be a nicer person and not lash out to peoples criticisms. I then explained to them that they are not criticizing properly which they responded by treating me like a joke who just doesn't want people to critize his stuff.

Part of this is learning how to talk to other people, putting aside assertions, stop trying to control the direction of conversation and start asking questions and trying to understand others, rather than asking people to understand only you.

If you invest your ego in being right, it will upset you when people think you're wrong. Conversation can be a status game. It doesn't have to be.


I am not lying when I say some writing communities are filled with these clowns are they are some of the most annoying experiences I've ever had. They were so bad in-fact that they almost made me quit writing because at the time I thought every one trying to learn how to write was this cognitively dissonant. Just talking about these annoying experiences is making me irrationally upset.

In pretty much all internet communities you'll encounter differing opinions. Flame wars existed since the start of the internet. It's nothing to be afraid of. I used to hang around a great music community, years ago and there were enormous barnies - but once in a while really good things would emerge from them. Learning different people's perspectives, approaching quite contentious topics with an open mind - sometimes even changing your mind about stuff.
 
In answer to your question, imho - the most irritating things are cliques, and people only wanting to showcase or promote their own work and not wanting to read, evaluate or support others.

In that respect, Chrons is generally unlike other communities in that there are some who are incredibly supportive and generous with their time with critiques, challenge and so on.
 
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In answer to your question, imho - the most irritating things are cliques, and people only wanting to showcase or promote their own work and not wanting to read, evaluate or support others.

^This. Take Twitter, a community of writers with virtually no reading coterie. I tend to think they have an overinflated impression of their work. I’ve read a lot of independently published books. Some of them are quite amazing, to be fair. But the people who get the most recognition of all I don’t think ever really pick up a book other than their own. But they know how to advertise! Namely, with memes. Memes about writing…
 

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