What are Your Thoughts on Disney's Ownership of the Marvel And Star Wars Franchises ?

[JunkMonkey]

When Lucas did the first film there was no direct inference that Vader was in any way related to Luke . Obi Wan told Luke his father was betrayed and murdered by a young Jedi named Darth Vader . That there tells us that Vader was separate person altogether from Anakin . In an an earlier version of the story which was was adapted as Graphic novel, Vader was not Luke's father at.

I'd always assumed - even from the go - that they were the same. The implication was there. Jekyll and Hyde.

 

[Le Panda du Mal]

Bad writing is bad writing.

I don't consider that bad writing. *shrug*

 

[BAYLOR]

I don't consider that bad writing. *shrug*

Well, in all honesty , I do accept accept a certain amount of shlock writing if the product is entertaining . For example, I love Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea Movie and TV Series .

 

[.matthew.]

As to Jedi , it would have been a better film had they dispensed with the Ewok completely.

I beg your pardon?!?!

I know it's objectively true, but they were still entertaining to young viewers, and Star Wars was always conceived as a children's movie.

 

[KGeo777]

Questioned by who? Luke and the audience should be skeptical. However, it fits with the story given in SW.

By changing the nature of characters.
Obi Wan Kenobi goes from being a retired knight to the one who brought about the destruction of the Jedi.
Darth Vader goes from being bad guy to redeemed fellow. Personality and individual decisions get murky when the Force is utilized to explain it all.

 

[Swank]

I beg your pardon?!?!

I know it's objectively true, but they were still entertaining to young viewers, and Star Wars was always conceived as a children's movie.

SW and ESB are pretty gruesome for kids films. Burnt people, torture, mutilation. The adventure sensibility is youthful, but like Jaws rather than Goonies.

By changing the nature of characters.
Obi Wan Kenobi goes from being a retired knight to the one who brought about the destruction of the Jedi.
Darth Vader goes from being bad guy to redeemed fellow. Personality and individual decisions get murky when the Force is utilized to explain it all.

Ben didn't cause Vader to go Dark. Nor was Vader redeemed. The Force isn't Christianity.

 

[KGeo777]

Ben didn't cause Vader to go Dark. Nor was Vader redeemed. The Force isn't Christianity.

What do you mean he wasn't redeemed? He's standing there with Yoda and Kenobi smiling.
The Emperor in ROTJ is controlling Vader's mind. "I must obey my master."
Not the same Vader in TESB or SW.
He's clearly a free agent in the previous films.

They altered his personality to serve the plot.
Just as they did in TESB with Luke. When he gets to Dagobah he becomes frustrated and impatient.

 

[JunkMonkey]

Psssst! guys, they're just movies.

 

[KGeo777]

I don't have a problem with the idea of the ewoks but making them resemble teddy bears was distracting and having other alien forest creatures would have been better IMO.
The Gorax from the Ewoks movie should have been in it to wrestle AT-AT walkers. There were plains-dwelling creatures called Yuzzum which were dumped.
There's something cheap to ROTJ -the Jabba puppet is advanced but a lot of the FX scenes feel repetitive. Another Death Star?
It's visually underwhelming compared to TESB.

 

[BAYLOR]

I don't have a problem with the idea of the ewoks but making them resemble teddy bears was distracting and having other alien forest creatures would have been better IMO.
The Gorax from the Ewoks movie should have been in it to wrestle AT-AT walkers. There were plains-dwelling creatures called Yuzzum which were dumped.
There's something cheap to ROTJ -the Jabba puppet is advanced but a lot of the FX scenes feel repetitive. Another Death Star?
It's visually underwhelming compared to TESB.

Which is why the next Star Wars movie should be Star Wars :The Great Ewok Hunt.

 

[Swank]

What do you mean he wasn't redeemed? He's standing there with Yoda and Kenobi smiling.
The Emperor in ROTJ is controlling Vader's mind. "I must obey my master."
Not the same Vader in TESB or SW.
He's clearly a free agent in the previous films.

They altered his personality to serve the plot.
Just as they did in TESB with Luke. When he gets to Dagobah he becomes frustrated and impatient.

As I said, we don't know what Vader meant.

And, as I stated, becoming a Force ghost is not the equivalent of going to heaven. It isn't a faith and it doesn't come with a karmic reward.

 

[KGeo777]

As I said, we don't know what Vader meant.

And, as I stated, becoming a Force ghost is not the equivalent of going to heaven. It isn't a faith and it doesn't come with a karmic reward.

Well Anakin and Yoda and Obi Wan looked mighty pleased around the campfire!

 

[Swank]

Well Anakin and Yoda and Obi Wan looked mighty pleased around the campfire!

Why wouldn't they be pleased to have lost two opponents and regained an ally?

 

[.matthew.]

Which is why the next Star Wars movie should be Star Wars :The Great Ewok Hunt.

Ewok: First Blood Part II

 

[.matthew.]

SW and ESB are pretty gruesome for kids films. Burnt people, torture, mutilation. The adventure sensibility is youthful, but like Jaws rather than Goonies.

First stated in 1977, but later reiterated, George Lucas confirmed Star Wars was made for kids, specifically those around 12 years of age. I was about that age when I saw them and I loved all three. Objectively they were family-friendly kids' movies with a universal rating in the UK.

 

[KGeo777]

First stated in 1977, but later reiterated, George Lucas confirmed Star Wars was made for kids, specifically those around 12 years of age. I was about that age when I saw them and I loved all three. Objectively they were family-friendly kids' movies with a universal rating in the UK.

He said the target audience was 7 and up around 1980 when asked. The toys were aimed at 7 and up, not 12 and up--although he did say that he expected Star Wars to do about the same as a Planet of the Apes movie--and that was for certain, 12 and up--he was never consistent about things.
After the prequels were criticized, he said people needed to remember that the target audience was 6 and up!

 

[KGeo777]

Why wouldn't they be pleased to have lost two opponents and regained an ally?

That's a Heavenly kind of depiction. It's not much different from the idea of angels or spirits of the dead coming back to influence people. It's more Christian than Greek pagan.
The first movie was vague enough that when Luke hears his voice in the trench--it may have been in his mind or some last trace of spirit making its presence known before it goes off into the cosmos. But the sequels made it explicit--Yoda can hear Obi Wan speaking too.
And Kenobi's self-sacrifice--martyrdom, that was Christian. Turn the other cheek. He let himself be killed by an enemy. The 1977 version where Darth Vader was the bad guy.

 

[.matthew.]

After the prequels were criticized, he said people needed to remember that the target audience was 6 and up!

Yea, I hated the prequels... but looking back now it's like yes, they were fun movies for little kids, and it was wrong to judge them by any other standard.

 

[KGeo777]

Yea, I hated the prequels... but looking back now it's like yes, they were fun movies for little kids, and it was wrong to judge them by any other standard.

Except he also claimed it was a political movie-about the senate and scheming and trade negotiations--little kids don't care about that stuff. He was making excuses because he didn't expect the negative reaction.
I think Gary Kurtz had discouraged the kind of humor that crept into ROTJ when he was absent (the burping alien).

 

[.matthew.]

Except he also claimed it was a political movie-about the senate and scheming and trade negotiations--little kids don't care about that stuff. He was making excuses because he didn't expect the negative reaction.
I think Gary Kurtz had discouraged the kind of humor that crept into ROTJ when he was absent (the burping alien).

Perhaps, but then again, the main characters started as children (or close to) and even in later films they were much younger than the original trilogy actors. All the goofy droids and goofier Jar Jar Binks stuff certainly weren't aimed at adults, and even the senate scenes were over-the-top CGI and silly acting.

Plus, considering he said the first trilogy was made for children even as it was receiving wild acclaim, does suggest the prequels would be as well, and that it wasn't an excuse.