The Mandalorian - Chapter Seventeen - The Apostate
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So it has been two years since Groku went to train with the Master Luke. For those who don't know, our Mando went back and was told off by Ashoka. She in fact told Mando to back off, because Luke way was The Way. Only it didn't sit well with the young Yoda.
He had daddy issues, and were more willing to do the Mandalorian Way instead of accepting Force(d) training with the legendary master. That's all you need to know if you haven't watched the infamous Book of the Boba Fett, which to my eyes was a major flop.
Those characters might however pop in during this season as Boba owns Mando a favour or two.
Let's see how this season starts...
What a treat as an opening scene, the Armourer making a Mandalorian Helmet and then swearing a young one to the creed. Disney didn't ef the armourer section either, even though it's not like you can make one in a time they allocated to filming it. By handcrafting it can take days to get it to shape, and then an equal if not longer to get it polished and ready for the ritual.
In the film universe it is also the first time we get to hear the Watch Creed vows, as the Armourer made to boy swear after her, "I swear on my name and the names of the ancestors, that I shall walk the Way of the Mand'alor. And the words of the Creed shall be foever in my heart. This is the Way (repeated by others). And from this moment of I will never remove the helmet..."
Not a long thing to remember for the young one. To my eyes, he looked barely 13, but already ready to take on whatever the tribe is willing to throw at his way. It was strange to see thirty odd of them on that beach, including the young ones. But we know that ever since the Purge their numbers have been small, so the whole opening the MegaCrock launched in reminded me of some of the best scenes in the GoT.
The MegaCrock is an amazing beast for being able to take multiple rounds of blaster fire, including shrugging off triple thermal detonations. It was like nothing could affect it, making the beast equivalent to the famous AT-AT capabilities. And just the like the Imperium workhorse, the MegaCrock went down from arial fire, by Mando introducing himself as Deus Ex saviour to the tribe.
To be honest I'd have like seeing the tribe handling the beast on their own, for once, but I get that we are on a time limit. And ain't watching GoT.
She was pissed that Mando came back, because according to her, it was no longer a possible for our Mando to redeem himself since the Emperor had Purge their home world. To him, there had to be another way. So he showed her a piece of carved crystal that he'd acquired from Java's, the Ebay sales people of the SW universe.
To my mind Mando's logic was strong. If the traveller who sold the crystal to Java's were able to go down to the surface, then maybe he would be able to go skinny dipping in the caves. The evidence however of them doing it is harder to prove. Selfies is one way, maybe he'll find another.
All the Armourer were able to say was "This is the Way," even though her posture suggested excitement, since the idea of returning to the home world must be a strong one among the tribe members.
The space whales. All thanks to the Fish. I haven't written those words since the end of the Rebels, where this hyperspace travelling species whisked away both the protagonist and the antagonist at the same time. It is a strong hint for the upcoming Ashoka series, and it's no wonder that the baby yoda were amazed by them.
It's just their first port of call wasn't the Mandalore, but Nevarro at the Outer Rim. It was good to see the town prosperous and full of life. And the only reminder about what had happened were a statue of IG-11 standing at the square.
The High Magistrate Karga tried to offer a piece of the best land for him and young one to settle down. All for free. No questions asked gift, but the man couldn't take it. And I doubt that it was the location that sucked, because all he could think was to get back to his home and prove his worthiness.
He's not a smart fellow, but he isn't a greedy one either. Even though all the time he's wearing the bling for all to see. What is also notable is that all the while the negotiation were going Groku were using his Force Powers (Push and Pull) like they were toys. So it is unlikely that what Ashoka suggested of him forgetting isn't happening.
They never get to finish the deal as it was interrupted by space pirates. Of course not Hondo Ohnaka class ones, but similar greedy ones, sniffing the riches in the sector. According to the High Magistrate they were now peaceful and prosperous colony, without a Marshal since the old one was sacked by Disney and according to the lore sent New Republic tribunals.
Even though Gaffi suggested that he'd make "a very fine lawman," Mando refused as all he wanted was IG-11. He said, "I need a droid that I can trust while I explore Mandalore, and he's that droid." So the town lost its statue
And the powering up of the assassin droid didn't go as planned.
Plan B, the Anzelans. According to the High Magistrate, they represent the droidsmith in the sector. Only they weren't able to fix it, because the memory circuit were shot. Being a stubborn one, Mando offered to find the rare part even though I'd have preferred Groku pet torturing them to a point of "We'll fix it, no charge."
So off he went, flying into the galaxy and it wasn't long before he encountered Vane, the space pirate again. This time wanting to take a revenge against Mando in a Naboo starfighter. Well stupid do what they can.
That fight was awesome, and I enjoyed it as much as Groku did. Six against one wasn't enough against our acepilot. So they brought in a pirate frigate.
And the pirate king, Gorian Shard. He wanted revenge and Mando's fighter as payment for him destroying the property. According to him four pirate fighters is equivalent for a custom build Naboo starfighter.
Kalevala, "another planet in the Mandalorian system" according our Mando. I couldn't believe my ears nor my eyes when he said it. Even though I had it on subtitles. As you know, I'm a Finn, and Kalevala is a huge part of our culture, I felt so proud in that moment.
He landed on a "Mandalorian castle" that reminded me of the original Mandalore throne room. And who else but Bo-Katan were sitting on its throne. According to her, she lost her men and vessels, because Mando kept the Black Sabre.
She wasn't even wanting it any more. Instead, she suggested Mando to wave it around to gain followers. Then she told her reasons, "Your cult gave up on Mandalore long before the Purge. Where were you then? The Children of the Watch and all the factions that came before fractured and shattered our people. Go home. There's nothing left."
Mando's reply, "I am going to Mandalore so that I may bathe in the Living Waters and be forgiven for my transgressions"
"You're a fool," Bo-Katan said. And I agree, he's a fool, but he's our fool. Our dumpty on his redemption path for the glory. "There is nothing magic in the mines of Mandalore. They supplied beskar ore to our ancestors, and the rest is superstition. That planet has been ravaged, plundered and poisoned."
Our boy didn't take it. Instead, he argued, "You said that the curse was a lie. Make up your mind."
"If you want to go to the mines, be my guest. They are beneth the civic centre of Sundari." This is the way.
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He had daddy issues, and were more willing to do the Mandalorian Way instead of accepting Force(d) training with the legendary master. That's all you need to know if you haven't watched the infamous Book of the Boba Fett, which to my eyes was a major flop.
Those characters might however pop in during this season as Boba owns Mando a favour or two.
Let's see how this season starts...
What a treat as an opening scene, the Armourer making a Mandalorian Helmet and then swearing a young one to the creed. Disney didn't ef the armourer section either, even though it's not like you can make one in a time they allocated to filming it. By handcrafting it can take days to get it to shape, and then an equal if not longer to get it polished and ready for the ritual.
In the film universe it is also the first time we get to hear the Watch Creed vows, as the Armourer made to boy swear after her, "I swear on my name and the names of the ancestors, that I shall walk the Way of the Mand'alor. And the words of the Creed shall be foever in my heart. This is the Way (repeated by others). And from this moment of I will never remove the helmet..."
Not a long thing to remember for the young one. To my eyes, he looked barely 13, but already ready to take on whatever the tribe is willing to throw at his way. It was strange to see thirty odd of them on that beach, including the young ones. But we know that ever since the Purge their numbers have been small, so the whole opening the MegaCrock launched in reminded me of some of the best scenes in the GoT.
The MegaCrock is an amazing beast for being able to take multiple rounds of blaster fire, including shrugging off triple thermal detonations. It was like nothing could affect it, making the beast equivalent to the famous AT-AT capabilities. And just the like the Imperium workhorse, the MegaCrock went down from arial fire, by Mando introducing himself as Deus Ex saviour to the tribe.
To be honest I'd have like seeing the tribe handling the beast on their own, for once, but I get that we are on a time limit. And ain't watching GoT.
She was pissed that Mando came back, because according to her, it was no longer a possible for our Mando to redeem himself since the Emperor had Purge their home world. To him, there had to be another way. So he showed her a piece of carved crystal that he'd acquired from Java's, the Ebay sales people of the SW universe.
To my mind Mando's logic was strong. If the traveller who sold the crystal to Java's were able to go down to the surface, then maybe he would be able to go skinny dipping in the caves. The evidence however of them doing it is harder to prove. Selfies is one way, maybe he'll find another.
All the Armourer were able to say was "This is the Way," even though her posture suggested excitement, since the idea of returning to the home world must be a strong one among the tribe members.
The space whales. All thanks to the Fish. I haven't written those words since the end of the Rebels, where this hyperspace travelling species whisked away both the protagonist and the antagonist at the same time. It is a strong hint for the upcoming Ashoka series, and it's no wonder that the baby yoda were amazed by them.
It's just their first port of call wasn't the Mandalore, but Nevarro at the Outer Rim. It was good to see the town prosperous and full of life. And the only reminder about what had happened were a statue of IG-11 standing at the square.
The High Magistrate Karga tried to offer a piece of the best land for him and young one to settle down. All for free. No questions asked gift, but the man couldn't take it. And I doubt that it was the location that sucked, because all he could think was to get back to his home and prove his worthiness.
He's not a smart fellow, but he isn't a greedy one either. Even though all the time he's wearing the bling for all to see. What is also notable is that all the while the negotiation were going Groku were using his Force Powers (Push and Pull) like they were toys. So it is unlikely that what Ashoka suggested of him forgetting isn't happening.
They never get to finish the deal as it was interrupted by space pirates. Of course not Hondo Ohnaka class ones, but similar greedy ones, sniffing the riches in the sector. According to the High Magistrate they were now peaceful and prosperous colony, without a Marshal since the old one was sacked by Disney and according to the lore sent New Republic tribunals.
Even though Gaffi suggested that he'd make "a very fine lawman," Mando refused as all he wanted was IG-11. He said, "I need a droid that I can trust while I explore Mandalore, and he's that droid." So the town lost its statue
And the powering up of the assassin droid didn't go as planned.
Plan B, the Anzelans. According to the High Magistrate, they represent the droidsmith in the sector. Only they weren't able to fix it, because the memory circuit were shot. Being a stubborn one, Mando offered to find the rare part even though I'd have preferred Groku pet torturing them to a point of "We'll fix it, no charge."
So off he went, flying into the galaxy and it wasn't long before he encountered Vane, the space pirate again. This time wanting to take a revenge against Mando in a Naboo starfighter. Well stupid do what they can.
That fight was awesome, and I enjoyed it as much as Groku did. Six against one wasn't enough against our acepilot. So they brought in a pirate frigate.
And the pirate king, Gorian Shard. He wanted revenge and Mando's fighter as payment for him destroying the property. According to him four pirate fighters is equivalent for a custom build Naboo starfighter.
Kalevala, "another planet in the Mandalorian system" according our Mando. I couldn't believe my ears nor my eyes when he said it. Even though I had it on subtitles. As you know, I'm a Finn, and Kalevala is a huge part of our culture, I felt so proud in that moment.
He landed on a "Mandalorian castle" that reminded me of the original Mandalore throne room. And who else but Bo-Katan were sitting on its throne. According to her, she lost her men and vessels, because Mando kept the Black Sabre.
She wasn't even wanting it any more. Instead, she suggested Mando to wave it around to gain followers. Then she told her reasons, "Your cult gave up on Mandalore long before the Purge. Where were you then? The Children of the Watch and all the factions that came before fractured and shattered our people. Go home. There's nothing left."
Mando's reply, "I am going to Mandalore so that I may bathe in the Living Waters and be forgiven for my transgressions"
"You're a fool," Bo-Katan said. And I agree, he's a fool, but he's our fool. Our dumpty on his redemption path for the glory. "There is nothing magic in the mines of Mandalore. They supplied beskar ore to our ancestors, and the rest is superstition. That planet has been ravaged, plundered and poisoned."
Our boy didn't take it. Instead, he argued, "You said that the curse was a lie. Make up your mind."
"If you want to go to the mines, be my guest. They are beneth the civic centre of Sundari." This is the way.
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The Mandalorian: Jon Favreau Reveals Grogu Was With Luke Skywalker A LOT Longer Than We Thought
Lucasfilm will finally release the highly anticipated third season of their hit Star Wars series [...]
So, what's the protocol when the kid's head grows? At some point, that headpiece will be so tight he wouldn't be able to remove it -- creed or not.
Thinking about it, I would imagine a lot of day-to-day activities would be hampered by the helmet rule. I can't imagine sleeping in a helmet. Will Mando be able to take his helmet off while bathing in the Living Waters?
The cuteness factor here -- mischievous Grogu, elfin droidsmiths, a seaweed pirate beard -- was over the top. Even the fight with the Crocosaur didn't seem overly threatening.
I liked this episode, but I probably would have liked it even more when I was 6.
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Sure he does take his helmet off, it's at the front of someone else that's problematic. He could have lied to the Armourer about the fact, and nobody would have ever known, but he aren't like that.
I'm sure someone will find Crocosaurus fight exciting. To me, IG-11's resurrection was scarier, especially when he booted on the default kill-mode.
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No, it's the Mandalorians. From one perspective, they are zealous warriors, truly devoted on being one of their kind. It's the Children of the Watch that have gone stray with their helmet ideas. The other mando's they are totally fine, and often want to show their face, while from the writers perspective keeping the helmet on, opens certain possibilities, as you say, in regard to the identity of individual beings.
It's also slightly surprising that they made the kid visor a bit bigger, because Pedro has tweeted that he can't see sh*t when he's wearing the one. But because it's already done, they can't really change it, and the same goes to the armour too. She has even more limited vision.
But if you look earlier season one episodes, especially the one with the village and banned actor... in that one, Din removes his helmet to eat. But he does it in hiding.
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Silly people. It is not like the first time, there are interconnected plotlines, between the seasons. Both Ashoka and Bo-Katan came from the Rebels and the Clone Wars. The same thing applies to the freaking space whales. Not talking about the Master Luke and Jedi Academy. There are so many things and the one thing people complain is having to watch something else to know why Groku is in the small screen and Mando driving a Naboo ST-1 StarFighter.
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I liked this fairly well. I really liked the dog fight in space, but realistically that was an add on (or at least it appears to be now), it did not add anything to the plot. I got lost at the armorer ceremony. I thought that this was a flashback to Mando's youth until Mondo and Groku come in and save the day. --- But whenever it was, the mega-croc seemed like a reason that spot would not be chosen. (I'm not going to make my usual comment (like the Sand Worm in season 2) that the fauna in this show do not look like they could survive on that planet. Too much animal, too little prey.
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Hmm. I wasn't blown away by this. It seemed to lean heavily on the sillier, muppets-in-space end of Star Wars: the little robots holding up Karga's cloak (which were, admittedly, amusing), the tiny repairmen, the pirate with a seaweed beard and a lot of C3POs. The best moment by quite a way was the IG robot defaulting to "murder mode", which felt like the only real moment of real threat.
I must admit that the other Mandalorians looked pretty weedy when the space crocodile interrupted their coming-of-age ceremony. I found it hard to work out what had happened to Bo Katan's rebellion, or whatever it was: presumably quite a bit of time has passed, and her followers have wandered off. The space dogfight was cool, but I've never seen Mando as an ace pilot before. We'll see how it pans out.
I must admit that the other Mandalorians looked pretty weedy when the space crocodile interrupted their coming-of-age ceremony. I found it hard to work out what had happened to Bo Katan's rebellion, or whatever it was: presumably quite a bit of time has passed, and her followers have wandered off. The space dogfight was cool, but I've never seen Mando as an ace pilot before. We'll see how it pans out.
My thought, too. Surely, the elders must have been aware that a bus-sized predator lurked in those waters.
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Exactly, they wandered off, because the bosslady wasn't appealing enough. No BlackSabre, no power, no prospect. They're a bit lit Klingons as they lust for battle and conquest.
Current limit to get called Ace Pilot is five kills.
Massively underwhelmed by this. None of the scenes were engaging, the dialogue flat (especially the closing exchange, which had none of the passion and intensity it should have had for such a emotional topic), and what on earth was that one-liner about 'Using your head?!?!' Also, the opening scene... A ceremony at what you would assume is a sacred site. I'm with @Parson on this: they presumably know the lake is home to a giant crocodile. So why hold a sacred ceremony there? Why at least not be better prepared?
Bizarre, and at 32 minutes, ephemeral. I hope this is not the shape of things to come: a beloved TV series delivering content only with zero inspiration.
It would be a 5.5/10 for me.
Bizarre, and at 32 minutes, ephemeral. I hope this is not the shape of things to come: a beloved TV series delivering content only with zero inspiration.
It would be a 5.5/10 for me.
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Like too many other shows The Mandalorian has a history of beating around the bush for at least two thirds of its seasons to deliver the real meat in the last couple of episodes. And this season opener didn't do anything to upset the status quo. I can't believe you can make a half-hour episode feel that unfocused and cluttered.
I still like and enjoy the show because, heh, it's got Mandalorians. 1993-me still can't believe we're getting an official SW show about guys wearing Boba Fett's armor. The way the light plays with Din Djarin's armor is enough to keep me happy and entertained throughout.
But I care not one bit for silly CGI monsters (especially when the show already gave us that several times) and pirate dogfights when they are nothing but a distraction from the real meat. I don't understand why Djarin would stop by Bo Katan's castle at all, other than to waste another three minutes of screentime. I can buy that he'd need a droid to explore a potentially poisoned planet, and that the only droid he would ever trust to do that was IG, so that sold me the Nevarro stop, but I wish he'd just snuck in, stolen the IG parts and left again.
As of now it looks like the trip to Mandalore will be this season's throughline, so if the first two seasons are anything to go by, Djarin will manage to lose or break his ship twice, get Grogu captured and rescued, get embroiled in two or three local rebellions and meet half the cast of the SW saga before he even plots a course to Mandalore in the penultimate episode. Here's hoping I'm wrong! I mean, if Bo Katan's castle was in Mandalorian space, then really there can be no excuse for Djarin to be anywhere else than on Mandalore proper at the start of next week's episode, right? Right?!
So stop pulling your punches! Just go to Mandalore already, fight some monsters there if you must, bathe in its waters and let's see what happens then.
P.S. I really can't fault the fans of The Mandalorian who are angry that so many important things happened between the finale of Season 2 and the opener of Season 3 in another show. In fact The Book of Boba Fett was so dreadful I can't bring myself to blame anyone for not sitting through it.
P.P.S. The young Mando's helmet with its thick visor was actually a nod at the equally dreadful Boba Fett plastic helmets for kids released by Hasbro in the last few years, in another perfect example of How You Should Make Your Ugly Toys Canon To Sell More of Them.
Sigh... No, but really, I love The Mandalorian.
I still like and enjoy the show because, heh, it's got Mandalorians. 1993-me still can't believe we're getting an official SW show about guys wearing Boba Fett's armor. The way the light plays with Din Djarin's armor is enough to keep me happy and entertained throughout.
But I care not one bit for silly CGI monsters (especially when the show already gave us that several times) and pirate dogfights when they are nothing but a distraction from the real meat. I don't understand why Djarin would stop by Bo Katan's castle at all, other than to waste another three minutes of screentime. I can buy that he'd need a droid to explore a potentially poisoned planet, and that the only droid he would ever trust to do that was IG, so that sold me the Nevarro stop, but I wish he'd just snuck in, stolen the IG parts and left again.
As of now it looks like the trip to Mandalore will be this season's throughline, so if the first two seasons are anything to go by, Djarin will manage to lose or break his ship twice, get Grogu captured and rescued, get embroiled in two or three local rebellions and meet half the cast of the SW saga before he even plots a course to Mandalore in the penultimate episode. Here's hoping I'm wrong! I mean, if Bo Katan's castle was in Mandalorian space, then really there can be no excuse for Djarin to be anywhere else than on Mandalore proper at the start of next week's episode, right? Right?!
So stop pulling your punches! Just go to Mandalore already, fight some monsters there if you must, bathe in its waters and let's see what happens then.
P.S. I really can't fault the fans of The Mandalorian who are angry that so many important things happened between the finale of Season 2 and the opener of Season 3 in another show. In fact The Book of Boba Fett was so dreadful I can't bring myself to blame anyone for not sitting through it.
P.P.S. The young Mando's helmet with its thick visor was actually a nod at the equally dreadful Boba Fett plastic helmets for kids released by Hasbro in the last few years, in another perfect example of How You Should Make Your Ugly Toys Canon To Sell More of Them.
Sigh... No, but really, I love The Mandalorian.
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Yes, the next one will be on Mandalore, and it's going to be a long episode by Mandalorian standards. Some people who have seen it already says it's more what the season pilot should have been.
I agree, but reading the first posts, I thought I must be the only one who thought this. I thought that for a new season so eagerly awaited, this first episode was somewhat slow, but then as TCC just pointed out, the last two seasons followed the same pattern.
Unless they grow to from eggs to adults extremely fast.
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