3.07 Star Trek: Picard - Dominion
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I don't get the synopsis claiming that Picard is once again crippled and cornered. I'd say they were that in nebula and as soon as they came out, they've been running things pretty effectively. Now that they have most of the core team in the one vessel, I don't get why they would be feeling so threatened and alone. I guess it's a result of another migraine Friday.
Let's see how this develops...
Hidings amongst the space junk Titan's crew placed a call with Seven sitting in the captain's chair to an old friend sitting the StarFleet HQ, Tuvok. It surprised me to see his old scruffy face, and drooping ears at the other side of the view screen.
At first, I didn't get the setup until Seven started dropping hints and questions to find out if the old man had been compromised. And the Vulcan Science Officer started picking inconsistencies in his voice, making the Changelings more realistic, as they can't be all perfect copy machines. But I liked Tupac mimic was able to make its own variation of dead William Riker, when Picard blew up the game and demanded answers.
One thing though, as Geordi voiced, they're on their own and cannot trust any StarFleet people being what they claim to be. Not the Chief had learned anything, even though he made admissions in the last episode on not being the younger self. All he could do was to hide Titan in the scrapyard and hope for the admiral to come up with the game plan, "to expose this conspiracy to StarFleet."
It makes me wonder what else we are going to find and/or confirm as the wraps of foil come unloose. Beverly in her desperation figured a way to determine who's who, but her qualm was in that it could lead to a bloody genocide. To her, I'd say desperate times equals desperate methods. Meaning that you have to do what you have to do, but it doesn't have to be permanent and lead to the genocide act, even if culling is going to be part of the act.
To be frank, docs do that all the time, when they issue antibiotics, antiviruses and other things to kill bathogens. Our search for the life in the universe is lead by the search for bacteria. So, technically, extreme culling is what you do when you use chemicals to cure things.
And admiral was on the same line, "We weight the morality if and when this become actual."
To get more info they went back to the source, Data or the Manifest as that's what the current android does, he manifests all parts of him, good or bad, all the while he also possesses a great deal of StarFleet's critical information. So I'd call him as Manifest... and I also get that Mr Spiner in his olden days doesn't have the patience to play just an android.
He had to put his spin on it. Geordi explained that the Manifest were fighting the control, where Dr Soong and B-4 were minorities, and Data or Lore were going to try to win the control even though they were all equal parts of it.
So admiral popped the question, "Why the Changelings have stolen my body? What might they be using it for?"
Manifest's answer: "Extraction. Soong research indicated an anomalous form inside Jean-Luc Picard. Previous diagnosis of Irumodic Syndrome is in question."
"What is it?" Jean-Luc asked.
"Additional research," Manifest spurted erratically. "Establish an inferior Picard. A perfectly imperfect Picard. Through and through."
Picard then asked Geordi could he try anything to establish Data, when in fact the original had already asked him: "To let him go." Maybe he should respect that wish and not hope the impossible as Geordi indicated.
Why Vadic is even entertaining the communication with the renegade Founder? I don't get it when she's going to do her own thing anyway. It wasn't until the Founder showed his powers on controlling Vadic's changeling body. Calling her meaningless, almost next to the singular flesh bipedal humanoids.
All she needed was the boy...
Oh man I loved seeing Jack and one of Geordi's girls in the turbolift, with allmost ready to go bonking since "half of the ship is already empty." So nobody can hear your screams or moans. But I loved even more when he asked the old man to have a moment in the ready room, where he revealed that he'd been "feeling different."
Yet, he couldn't get why Admiral couldn't let him go, when he was so meaningless in the whole game, even though he is the centrepiece, the king on the chessboard. "Do you have any idea what it's like knowing that people have died, are dying, will die for what? For me? It's not worth it. I'm not worth it," he bled to the old man.
"I'm not giving up on you, Jack," Jean-Luc said. "Don't you give up, either."
There was but answer, as there is always a "but..." answer with the stubborn sons. They will do what to do regardless of old man's wishes. In daddy shoes, I'd have put him in the brig just to eliminate most of the trouble, while knowing that there's going to be some anyway because Jack's a clever boy.
So Jean-Luc did the opposite and suggested, "What if we actual do? I think I know how we can get Vadic."
The execution was a marvellous act of feigning death at the midst of the space battle carnage. Vadic bought the setup and ordered a boarding party, no transporters without double tabbing either of the nacelles to make sure Titan wasn't going to escape again.
At the board, Jack was first to present himself, and ask why me? The answer Vadic gave was a cryptic no sense "better place," and nothing meaningful like for example a plead to help to save a dying race or something similar. So Jack made them to chase him, even though catching him with a teleporter would have been easier.
They got every borderer trapper, but as a twist Lore prevented Geordi from teleporting Jack and daughter from out of it. While Beverly approached Vadic with some questions...
"You look so eased. So relaxed..." Beverly said. "Not even trying to slip out. Which is good, because it hermetically sealed so it would be a challenge, even for you."
I don't get why she extended the dialogue so much when she could have just asked, 'What do you want from my boy?' Like a concerned mother would have done and shown her tiger nails.
Her explanation though, "You know, I took an oath to do no harm, but you should know I am rethinking that promise."
Vadic mocked her and the admiral. The answers were more interesting as the first thing she revealed to Beverly was that Jack wasn't completely her own. And then she went on to babble about the genocide, even suggesting that she was the subject where they had used in their tests to develop the agent. She even reminded them that because of it, she was now able to mimic blood and pass as "solids."
Mum was more than willing to execute her when admiral raised his gun. Because of Lore, Vadic was able to slither away, even though I could see at least two phaser hits in her form. While Jack possessed ensign La Forge and made her to fight like him.
What is she hiding? And why are the Changelings able to resist phaser hits?
Let's see how this develops...
Hidings amongst the space junk Titan's crew placed a call with Seven sitting in the captain's chair to an old friend sitting the StarFleet HQ, Tuvok. It surprised me to see his old scruffy face, and drooping ears at the other side of the view screen.
At first, I didn't get the setup until Seven started dropping hints and questions to find out if the old man had been compromised. And the Vulcan Science Officer started picking inconsistencies in his voice, making the Changelings more realistic, as they can't be all perfect copy machines. But I liked Tupac mimic was able to make its own variation of dead William Riker, when Picard blew up the game and demanded answers.
One thing though, as Geordi voiced, they're on their own and cannot trust any StarFleet people being what they claim to be. Not the Chief had learned anything, even though he made admissions in the last episode on not being the younger self. All he could do was to hide Titan in the scrapyard and hope for the admiral to come up with the game plan, "to expose this conspiracy to StarFleet."
It makes me wonder what else we are going to find and/or confirm as the wraps of foil come unloose. Beverly in her desperation figured a way to determine who's who, but her qualm was in that it could lead to a bloody genocide. To her, I'd say desperate times equals desperate methods. Meaning that you have to do what you have to do, but it doesn't have to be permanent and lead to the genocide act, even if culling is going to be part of the act.
To be frank, docs do that all the time, when they issue antibiotics, antiviruses and other things to kill bathogens. Our search for the life in the universe is lead by the search for bacteria. So, technically, extreme culling is what you do when you use chemicals to cure things.
And admiral was on the same line, "We weight the morality if and when this become actual."
To get more info they went back to the source, Data or the Manifest as that's what the current android does, he manifests all parts of him, good or bad, all the while he also possesses a great deal of StarFleet's critical information. So I'd call him as Manifest... and I also get that Mr Spiner in his olden days doesn't have the patience to play just an android.
He had to put his spin on it. Geordi explained that the Manifest were fighting the control, where Dr Soong and B-4 were minorities, and Data or Lore were going to try to win the control even though they were all equal parts of it.
So admiral popped the question, "Why the Changelings have stolen my body? What might they be using it for?"
Manifest's answer: "Extraction. Soong research indicated an anomalous form inside Jean-Luc Picard. Previous diagnosis of Irumodic Syndrome is in question."
"What is it?" Jean-Luc asked.
"Additional research," Manifest spurted erratically. "Establish an inferior Picard. A perfectly imperfect Picard. Through and through."
Picard then asked Geordi could he try anything to establish Data, when in fact the original had already asked him: "To let him go." Maybe he should respect that wish and not hope the impossible as Geordi indicated.
Why Vadic is even entertaining the communication with the renegade Founder? I don't get it when she's going to do her own thing anyway. It wasn't until the Founder showed his powers on controlling Vadic's changeling body. Calling her meaningless, almost next to the singular flesh bipedal humanoids.
All she needed was the boy...
Oh man I loved seeing Jack and one of Geordi's girls in the turbolift, with allmost ready to go bonking since "half of the ship is already empty." So nobody can hear your screams or moans. But I loved even more when he asked the old man to have a moment in the ready room, where he revealed that he'd been "feeling different."
Yet, he couldn't get why Admiral couldn't let him go, when he was so meaningless in the whole game, even though he is the centrepiece, the king on the chessboard. "Do you have any idea what it's like knowing that people have died, are dying, will die for what? For me? It's not worth it. I'm not worth it," he bled to the old man.
"I'm not giving up on you, Jack," Jean-Luc said. "Don't you give up, either."
There was but answer, as there is always a "but..." answer with the stubborn sons. They will do what to do regardless of old man's wishes. In daddy shoes, I'd have put him in the brig just to eliminate most of the trouble, while knowing that there's going to be some anyway because Jack's a clever boy.
So Jean-Luc did the opposite and suggested, "What if we actual do? I think I know how we can get Vadic."
The execution was a marvellous act of feigning death at the midst of the space battle carnage. Vadic bought the setup and ordered a boarding party, no transporters without double tabbing either of the nacelles to make sure Titan wasn't going to escape again.
At the board, Jack was first to present himself, and ask why me? The answer Vadic gave was a cryptic no sense "better place," and nothing meaningful like for example a plead to help to save a dying race or something similar. So Jack made them to chase him, even though catching him with a teleporter would have been easier.
They got every borderer trapper, but as a twist Lore prevented Geordi from teleporting Jack and daughter from out of it. While Beverly approached Vadic with some questions...
"You look so eased. So relaxed..." Beverly said. "Not even trying to slip out. Which is good, because it hermetically sealed so it would be a challenge, even for you."
I don't get why she extended the dialogue so much when she could have just asked, 'What do you want from my boy?' Like a concerned mother would have done and shown her tiger nails.
Her explanation though, "You know, I took an oath to do no harm, but you should know I am rethinking that promise."
Vadic mocked her and the admiral. The answers were more interesting as the first thing she revealed to Beverly was that Jack wasn't completely her own. And then she went on to babble about the genocide, even suggesting that she was the subject where they had used in their tests to develop the agent. She even reminded them that because of it, she was now able to mimic blood and pass as "solids."
Mum was more than willing to execute her when admiral raised his gun. Because of Lore, Vadic was able to slither away, even though I could see at least two phaser hits in her form. While Jack possessed ensign La Forge and made her to fight like him.
What is she hiding? And why are the Changelings able to resist phaser hits?
Enjoyable episode with plenty of tension. However, even though Vadic now has control of the Titan, we've just literally seen that Data could arguably take control back. Interesting to hear her story, though - at least, as Picard said, what she wants us to hear.
Interesting to see Jack taking over LaForge's daughter to help her escape. Am wondering if he might be a special Changeling-solid hybrid? Not sure it's supported by the telepathy, though.
Overall, another great episode - good to see this series continuing strong.
Interesting to see Jack taking over LaForge's daughter to help her escape. Am wondering if he might be a special Changeling-solid hybrid? Not sure it's supported by the telepathy, though.
Overall, another great episode - good to see this series continuing strong.
The Chin’Toka Scrapyard is apparently related to the Battles of Chin’Toka in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. These were very bloody offensives during the Dominion War in which the first Defiant was lost.
Yes, I also had trouble following if this was the real Tuvok or a changeling. Seven was asking questions that only Tuvok and herself knew the answers to, but if he can also morph into Riker, do they all share memories from each other?
Yes, I also had trouble following if this was the real Tuvok or a changeling. Seven was asking questions that only Tuvok and herself knew the answers to, but if he can also morph into Riker, do they all share memories from each other?
That's quite a change, making Soong and B4 only memory files and no longer full personalities. I guess it makes for a better narrative if there are only two personalities battling it out for control - it fits with the left and right side of the brain (depicted graphically), dester and sinister, or with black and white, good versus evil.
I feel this is the most important revelation from this episode, but don't know what it means. Jack has inherited this thing that was mis-diagnosed as Irumodic Syndrome, but which we now know is an "anomalous form" within Picard. Does this explain Jack's "superpowers"? If so, why didn't Picard have the "superpowers" too? And why isn't it killing Jack, as it would have done to Picard?
That did spoil the cliffhanger somewhat. However, if they hadn't set that up before next week then to do so woould have been a little like the deus ex machina found in a 'Flash Gordon" or "Batman" serial. Also, we still have the tension remaining that Data may not be able to reverse what Lore has done in time, or that Lore may take back control before he has a chance.
Oh, yes, forgot to mention that it was nice seeing Tuvok - even though the character seems to have aged more in the past couple of decades than in the previous 100 years!
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Honestly, the whole mess needs an explanation, and it's not the first time in ST history when they are doing something unexplainable. I didn't put it in because I thought you guys would go about his borg implants. But that doesn't explain all the other corpses that Section 31 is storing in DayStrom facility. Do all of them have anomalies inside too?
The whole thing is on flimsy, super thin ice, and how are the Changelings are going to do it in sort window of time?
