3.09 Star Trek: Picard - Vox
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It is kind of strange how much better this season has been than the previous one. Even if they've managed to stretch the plot. Not just in one place, but the audience doesn't seem to care as long as they get their Trek wish fulfilled.
So let's see how this one develops...
I have to confess that I'd to go into the memory alpha and refresh my memory on the Betazoid race and their abilities. According to them:
memory-alpha.fandom.com
The reason is that I remember Mrs Troi being an empath and her mum being overly protective and quite powerful telepath. All the episodes that I remember, Deanna sensed thoughts and feelings, making her an empath and not a telepath. It was the Vulcans who did do mind merges through touch. And only her mum showed the powerful telepathic invasions when she came on board the Enterprise-D.
She didn't care about the privacy of one's mind. To her, it was all an open book, and she roasted Deanna for not doing it to the crew. But as you can see from above shot, the connection is created through a touch, and Jack opening up to her suggestions.
Deanna said that she would open the door, without even thinking about the possibilities that whatever is behind it might invade her own mind. But then again none of the literary ever has said that it is a possibility and occasionally telepaths shouldn't invade other minds carelessly. But her finding the Borg sounded so ridiculous.
Even Picard found it strange. "There are no nanobots in his blood," he shouted. "There are no transceivers, no receivers." Beverly, however, claimed that it might a biological possibility, by looking it through scientist eyes and not being a mum. That the body in the Daystrom institute contains some sort of biotech, that Jean-Luc passed to Jack ... in his sperm.
When the old man went to talk to the son, he was still visibly shocked. Yet, he took on the responsibility by sitting down and letting Jack know about the events that had happened "35 years" into the past. He told the short version instead of raving about it, like he should because to him everything in the past is connected to the Borg.
It is also notable that Jean-Luc was able to hear the Collective, even if the general explanation was through the implants and him not being telepathic. My understanding was that the hive mind was created through technology and not because the Borg were somehow telepathic and clairvoyant to be able to see into the future for Picard to have a son.
Jack was puzzled about the fact and he even recalled, out loud that the Borg were cold to a point that they didn't care about anything who they assimilated. Like a machine. And yet, he had "feelings," making him a human.
Picard however was whined up about the fact that the Borg are controlling everyone, and not caring about the individuality. Maybe just because they were a hivemind and in that mass, one voice doesn't matter so much. Unless it's a powerful one.
One that Picard wanted to confine in a Vulcan institute. Jack couldn't handle it. He took Jean-Luc's prison guards and walked out to only shout at his mum about being manipulative. Then he nicked a shuttle and somehow jumped straight out from the garage to hyperspace, to follow the coordinated that the Borg Queen transmitted into his mind.
Is that you, Queen Agnes?
Before we got it, Jean-Luc was told by the NG crew that the DNA alteration was a real thing, and it had made Jack a transceiver. Mind-boggles. I, however, find it plausible. The clairvoyance is where the scheme becomes a card house.
While white-haired Adm Shelby launched "350th" celebration of the Frontier Day Jack beamed into the cube and proceed to clear the whole thing with a classical phaser raised high. Had he never heard that it is useless because the Borg adapt after a few shots?
Not that anyone ever cares about the security and flaws, Janeway proudly announced a new automation technology that allows fleet wide formation for the defence and exploration. She never considered the fact that peer-to-peer transmission can be intercepted and manipulated for the exploitative purposes.
In the cube, the Queen explained Jack that he was not Locustus but Vox, a transmitter and a voice for the Collective, before he was assimilated. The stretch in the imagination came in Titan's sickbay, where the Manifest and daddy La Forge told Beverly that Jack's DNA contained a transmitter code that the StarFleet still uses actively. For synchronization.
Apparently the Changelings had infiltrated the StarFleet to add the DNA code into the library, and making it "common," thus making the hack a zero-day. Mind-blown, again.
As soon as Titan entered to Earth's orbit, the fleet-wide automation technology took over their ship and tried to make to sync with the fleet. Without waiting a second, Picard opened a com-channel to Adm Shelby and told them a partial warning, before the hack completed and the Borg jumped into the Sol System, straight at the heart of the celebration with the whole fleet disabled by their exploits.
The hack didn't stop there, as all the young one were transforming into the Collective husks because of the DNA alterations. And it happened in the seconds, while the OLD generation were not affected for some weird reason.
The Old Generation way out of the situation was to use an autonomous Maintenance Repair Shuttle to escape. Captain Shaw was shot during the escape and Seven couldn't leave him behind. And neither could Raffi to leave her girl alone in the fight. In his dying moment, Shaw transferred the conn to Seven.
While the Borg eliminated the Space Dock, La Forge took the Old Grew back to the Fleet Museum and presented them a restored Enterprise-D.
Those looks, man. I can't believe it either
So let's see how this one develops...
I have to confess that I'd to go into the memory alpha and refresh my memory on the Betazoid race and their abilities. According to them:
Betazoid
The Betazoids or Betazeds were a telepathic humanoid civilization originating from the Federation planet Betazed in the Alpha Quadrant. Externally, Betazoids were physically indistinguishable from Humans in every aspect but one: the irises of their eyes were completely black. They could...
memory-alpha.fandom.com
The reason is that I remember Mrs Troi being an empath and her mum being overly protective and quite powerful telepath. All the episodes that I remember, Deanna sensed thoughts and feelings, making her an empath and not a telepath. It was the Vulcans who did do mind merges through touch. And only her mum showed the powerful telepathic invasions when she came on board the Enterprise-D.
She didn't care about the privacy of one's mind. To her, it was all an open book, and she roasted Deanna for not doing it to the crew. But as you can see from above shot, the connection is created through a touch, and Jack opening up to her suggestions.
Deanna said that she would open the door, without even thinking about the possibilities that whatever is behind it might invade her own mind. But then again none of the literary ever has said that it is a possibility and occasionally telepaths shouldn't invade other minds carelessly. But her finding the Borg sounded so ridiculous.
Even Picard found it strange. "There are no nanobots in his blood," he shouted. "There are no transceivers, no receivers." Beverly, however, claimed that it might a biological possibility, by looking it through scientist eyes and not being a mum. That the body in the Daystrom institute contains some sort of biotech, that Jean-Luc passed to Jack ... in his sperm.
When the old man went to talk to the son, he was still visibly shocked. Yet, he took on the responsibility by sitting down and letting Jack know about the events that had happened "35 years" into the past. He told the short version instead of raving about it, like he should because to him everything in the past is connected to the Borg.
It is also notable that Jean-Luc was able to hear the Collective, even if the general explanation was through the implants and him not being telepathic. My understanding was that the hive mind was created through technology and not because the Borg were somehow telepathic and clairvoyant to be able to see into the future for Picard to have a son.
Jack was puzzled about the fact and he even recalled, out loud that the Borg were cold to a point that they didn't care about anything who they assimilated. Like a machine. And yet, he had "feelings," making him a human.
Picard however was whined up about the fact that the Borg are controlling everyone, and not caring about the individuality. Maybe just because they were a hivemind and in that mass, one voice doesn't matter so much. Unless it's a powerful one.
One that Picard wanted to confine in a Vulcan institute. Jack couldn't handle it. He took Jean-Luc's prison guards and walked out to only shout at his mum about being manipulative. Then he nicked a shuttle and somehow jumped straight out from the garage to hyperspace, to follow the coordinated that the Borg Queen transmitted into his mind.
Is that you, Queen Agnes?
Before we got it, Jean-Luc was told by the NG crew that the DNA alteration was a real thing, and it had made Jack a transceiver. Mind-boggles. I, however, find it plausible. The clairvoyance is where the scheme becomes a card house.
While white-haired Adm Shelby launched "350th" celebration of the Frontier Day Jack beamed into the cube and proceed to clear the whole thing with a classical phaser raised high. Had he never heard that it is useless because the Borg adapt after a few shots?
Not that anyone ever cares about the security and flaws, Janeway proudly announced a new automation technology that allows fleet wide formation for the defence and exploration. She never considered the fact that peer-to-peer transmission can be intercepted and manipulated for the exploitative purposes.
In the cube, the Queen explained Jack that he was not Locustus but Vox, a transmitter and a voice for the Collective, before he was assimilated. The stretch in the imagination came in Titan's sickbay, where the Manifest and daddy La Forge told Beverly that Jack's DNA contained a transmitter code that the StarFleet still uses actively. For synchronization.
Apparently the Changelings had infiltrated the StarFleet to add the DNA code into the library, and making it "common," thus making the hack a zero-day. Mind-blown, again.
As soon as Titan entered to Earth's orbit, the fleet-wide automation technology took over their ship and tried to make to sync with the fleet. Without waiting a second, Picard opened a com-channel to Adm Shelby and told them a partial warning, before the hack completed and the Borg jumped into the Sol System, straight at the heart of the celebration with the whole fleet disabled by their exploits.
The hack didn't stop there, as all the young one were transforming into the Collective husks because of the DNA alterations. And it happened in the seconds, while the OLD generation were not affected for some weird reason.
The Old Generation way out of the situation was to use an autonomous Maintenance Repair Shuttle to escape. Captain Shaw was shot during the escape and Seven couldn't leave him behind. And neither could Raffi to leave her girl alone in the fight. In his dying moment, Shaw transferred the conn to Seven.
While the Borg eliminated the Space Dock, La Forge took the Old Grew back to the Fleet Museum and presented them a restored Enterprise-D.
Those looks, man. I can't believe it either
Nothing to add to that really. It was about 5 minutes of technobable followed by pure fan service for the rest of the episode.
Worf was a little glass-is-half-empty, but then he always preferred the Defiant.
I wanted to see her too. I think Alison Pill ruled out being in this Season.
It's what everyone wanted to see, but how could he actually hide that ship? And when Picard and Riker came earlier looking for a ship, they never found her? Oh! Come on!
Worf was a little glass-is-half-empty, but then he always preferred the Defiant.
OK. So, slightly confused about the importance of Jack.
Either he is now the new hub of the Borg mark 2, and so replaces the queen, which offers an easy get out.
"I'm king, and I say carry on being as human and as individual as you have always been."
Or ... The changelings have now infected humanity, (**), who are now under the control of the queen, and Jack's entirely unimportant, and probably always was. The important part was getting hold of Picard's old flesh to infect us with. (??)
** Incidentally, they would appear to have only infected the members of Starfleet, and only the human ones at that. So there are the vast number of non Starfleet humans as well as all the other races, in Starfleet and out, who have yet to be beaten or assimilated.
Will the Borg need to assimilate the changelings as well, or are they just setting up a new, and probably fragile alliance. Because we all know how evil (or at least baddy) alliances go eventually.
Wait for the Maquis to reappear from the wings, as well as the other queen who became the blonde scientist whose name I can't remember from series 1 or 2 and whom Raffi let escape. (IIRC???). And, of course, Odo. (who will have to look different, because René Auberjonois ain't available, but that's ok. he's a shapeshifter.)
Either he is now the new hub of the Borg mark 2, and so replaces the queen, which offers an easy get out.
"I'm king, and I say carry on being as human and as individual as you have always been."
Or ... The changelings have now infected humanity, (**), who are now under the control of the queen, and Jack's entirely unimportant, and probably always was. The important part was getting hold of Picard's old flesh to infect us with. (??)
** Incidentally, they would appear to have only infected the members of Starfleet, and only the human ones at that. So there are the vast number of non Starfleet humans as well as all the other races, in Starfleet and out, who have yet to be beaten or assimilated.
Will the Borg need to assimilate the changelings as well, or are they just setting up a new, and probably fragile alliance. Because we all know how evil (or at least baddy) alliances go eventually.
Wait for the Maquis to reappear from the wings, as well as the other queen who became the blonde scientist whose name I can't remember from series 1 or 2 and whom Raffi let escape. (IIRC???). And, of course, Odo. (who will have to look different, because René Auberjonois ain't available, but that's ok. he's a shapeshifter.)
That's Queen Agnes, played by Alison Pill - we've mentioned her already? (It's okay, we won't take offence at you for not reading our posts. @ctg
does write very long posts!)
Thanks! I missed that nitpick amongst all that technobable completely. I think it is any human who has used a Transporter and is under 25, but even still that rules out most of the rest of the Galaxy! Since most humanoid races (at least 19) are all descended from the same ancestors ('The Chase' TNG episode) and share common DNA sequences, then this sequence that is inserted by the Transporter architecture would affect all of those too. That would reduce the number quite a lot more, but your point still stands as there are a vast number of non-humanoids (and too many for Jack to control them all.)
As for the reason for Borg-Changeling alliance, your guess is as good as mine. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" at least for the moment.
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It's not where the episode fails me, but it is not my show. It's theirs and they deliberately claimed that there are no other vessels like her, even though there all the classical ones surrounding the museum that they could have used as well.
Let me ask, why is it that they want us to believe that the mighty federation has only under a hundred ships in their fleet, when the fact is that US alone, today has over four hundred ships in their inventory. Why the feds are so wimp?
This thing is the weakest bit. A DNA change in their transporter library file... what could possibly go wrong? I am actually surprised that nobody went to see doctors during this time and had some sort of problem(s) because of it?
What if Jack had got hit by cosmic rays and the bit would change because of the mutation? What they would have done then?
Borg! I was not expecting that!
Enterprise D! Thrilling!
Clever plot line, too - real drama!
But but but but ... where is the Agnes Borg from the end of Season 2? Why has everyone suddenly forgotten? And how does this new Borg threat fit into the timeline - I thought the Federation had defeated the Borg by now (via the Voyager time line)?
Presumably Data will now have a chance to use his ship-taking-over skills from the previous episode on the new Borg networked fleet?
Re: alien's being assimilated - I presumed from the explanation that *anybody* using the transporter was effectively injected with the new Picard-Borg DNA, regardless of species. Which explains why the Changelings didn't want to use transporters - I'd thought that was to stop their physiology being revealed, but obviously wasn't, which was a nice bit of plotting.
Enterprise D! Thrilling!
Clever plot line, too - real drama!
But but but but ... where is the Agnes Borg from the end of Season 2? Why has everyone suddenly forgotten? And how does this new Borg threat fit into the timeline - I thought the Federation had defeated the Borg by now (via the Voyager time line)?
Presumably Data will now have a chance to use his ship-taking-over skills from the previous episode on the new Borg networked fleet?
Re: alien's being assimilated - I presumed from the explanation that *anybody* using the transporter was effectively injected with the new Picard-Borg DNA, regardless of species. Which explains why the Changelings didn't want to use transporters - I'd thought that was to stop their physiology being revealed, but obviously wasn't, which was a nice bit of plotting.
That only works if every sentient species is built from DNA. Who says that it is? 'The Chase' TNG episode showed us that 19 were, probably more too, but what about the Horta with their Silicon based biology? They don't have Carbon based DNA biology. I'm sure that there have been other beings too. Beings of "pure energy"! And you could even have creatures that did have DNA, but with different nucleic acids than the four used in Earth life. How would that work?
The other thing to consider is when did the Transporter start altering beings at a DNA level anyway. It supposedly works at a much more subatomic level (hence the need for Heisenberg Compensators.) It isn't just a replicator (although that still probably is what it is.)
I do realise that it is all complete nonsense in any case, but at least stick with your nonsense canon that you've already invented and not some new different nonsense.
True, but I'm not sure there will be many starfleet personnel who aren't - and any minority would probably just be killed off along with all the over 25's.
There's been mention of DNA filtering and screening before, to ensure no harmful organisms can be transported along with the person. I'm sure there have been a few episodes where this has gone wrong, but only the Tuvix one from Voyager, where two members end up merged as a single being, comes to mind. Also, Lt Barclay grabbed a few people out of the transporter buffers in a NextGen episode as well, when he thought he was seeing cosmic worms floating in the transporter beam which was initially blamed on his anxiety. So a biological element has a long. precedent.
Trek has long had a problem with continuity issues, but I personally didn't feel it tripped them (for once!
) in this instance. Didn't Scotty save himself in a permanently cycling transporter?
But on the other hand Bones refused to use it, so maybe he can save the day if he's not dead yet. I think he appeared as an admiral in an episode of TNG. (???).
But on the other hand Bones refused to use it, so maybe he can save the day if he's not dead yet. I think he appeared as an admiral in an episode of TNG. (???).
