But they sell. If you want an agent (not you, of course) you need to go with what sells….I know what you mean: so many book titles are now "A Thing Of Stuff And Items".
But they sell. If you want an agent (not you, of course) you need to go with what sells….I know what you mean: so many book titles are now "A Thing Of Stuff And Items".
I legit wonder about that-- do they sell? Do the Sarah Maas books sell, or do all books titled like that sell? Book sales are so obfuscated and masked, its a legit question. If Sanderson/King/Ishigawa title a novel X way, does it sell better/worse because they titled it that way? Would I buy another book because they use a similar naming convention? Having spent a preposterous amount of time looking over my reading in the last 2 years, the answer (for me) is objectively no, but, I also don't know if I'm typical or standard--having a single data point isn't helpful and the sites go to great lengths to make data scraping hard.But they sell. If you want an agent (not you, of course) you need to go with what sells….
I have to disagree with others. This part doesn't seem like backstory to me. To me it looks like the Inciting Incident, the place where the story actually begins. The decision (NOT sensible, but likely to be gut-wrenching and guilt-inducing, whichever way she chose) of whether to euthenize the baby or hide it with her sister, it strikes me as a great way to begin a story. If Eigyr didn't return to the story later, then perhaps this might seem like the Dreaded Prologue (that is, yes, backstory), but since she does return, it doesn't. To me, it looks like Chapter One.*When she discovers a seemingly normal infant born to a dying bent, she does the only sensible thing: lies and ditches the baby on her overachieving twin sister Ronna’s doorstep.
But they sell.
May I just point out that these sentences are so loaded with adjectives that it is almost unreadable? And it almost sounds like comedy the way you avoid describing the motivations for anything.Wormhole bridging technology miscalculations contort parts of ships and souls into Bents: fractal origami monstrosities. Eigyr’s team kills bent people, collapses bent ship parts and sells the clean bits. When she discovers a seemingly normal infant born to a dying bent, she does the only sensible thing: lies and ditches the baby on her overachieving twin sister Ronna’s doorstep.
What little spice I had I pulled back because it wasn't very good. I felt like I had it for the reader's titillation (pun intended) not the character.It’s like any market - the cream rises. But at the moment yes, booktok books sell in big numbers, including pretty dire ones.
But that type of title only helps if you are writing for a specific market. If it’s not slightly spicey (sometimes very), easy read, then it won’t work.
Publishers are very good at telling readers what kind of book to expect through cover and title (and blurb). You would not believe how many people choose a book based only on that.
If you’re writing a book tok book, putting on the whistles and bells to show readers what it is will help. If you’re not, using that sort of title will harm you by attracting the wrong readers.
Your blurb and query is exactly the same. It has to reflect your book - the feel, the stakes, the style. GRRM’s does exactly that.
If the current ‘rules’ for query aren’t working, rip it up and try something else, maybe? I got my agent from a tongue in cheek query written on the spur of the moment, not the beautifully crafted one I’d subbed for months.
You got it -- that is the inciting incident. The relationship triangle between the sisters and the child--dealing with the lies, omissions, guilt, misunderstandings, wrapped in variable definitions of parenthood and family and stressed by an active physical threat-- is the core of the story, and it all begins with Eigyr finding a baby, dropping it on her sister's lap and leaving, then wrapping herself in justification.I have to disagree with others. This part doesn't seem like backstory to me. To me it looks like the Inciting Incident, the place where the story actually begins. The decision (NOT sensible, but likely to be gut-wrenching and guilt-inducing, whichever way she chose) of whether to euthenize the baby or hide it with her sister, it strikes me as a great way to begin a story. If Eigyr didn't return to the story later, then perhaps this might seem like the Dreaded Prologue (that is, yes, backstory), but since she does return, it doesn't. To me, it looks like Chapter One.*
I've been looking at this--but it isn't just the title: bent is a a central term and slang in the manuscript. It's the boogeyman and the transportation crash and a fact of life, all rolled into one--like if a car or plane crash sometimes created zombies. I've used either bent or bend 241 times in the ms so changing it would be a substantial edit. I'm trying to come up with something else that could work but, so far... still trying to come up with somethingAs for the title, you may not be concerned now whether people will take offense, but if and when there is a big hullabaloo, distracting you from your writing, distracting you from the rest of your life, which I see from your query is an admirable one that you might not want to be unnecessarily disrupted by a name—not just the title of your book, but how your characters designate these "monstrosities"—that you could have easily changed now, you might feel differently then. It's not always the crazy people who wear you down (because it doesn't pay to engage with them), but the polite letters from reasonable, well-meaning people that you might feel obligated to anwer. When people are reading messages into your work that you never intended, and you get tired of explaining that you meant no such thing . . . I mean, honestly, does the short, snappy title really mean that much to you?
That's an excellent point --thank you. Yeah, the mission is laughable to Ronna (You want to pay me to spend 4 years on a luxury ship hunting for Santa Claus? Sure. Oooooh, noooo, we didn't find him? Shuuuuucks--so, about my paycheck) but it provides sanctuary for Maeve and Ronna makes friends she cares about on the ship.Further along in the query, you mention that the mission of the fleet might be imperiled. But since the mission is a search for mythical aliens it doesn't seem that vital. It doesn't seem like something readers will care about, not just stated baldly that way. (In the actual book, of course, it might be different, you might make readers care very much. But in the brevity of a query, no. ) The fleet, well it is ships, of course, inanimate, unsympathetic, but it has proved to be a sanctuary for Ronna and the girl for four years, and it is more than the vessels, more than the mission, it is the people on board, the ships people who Ronna may have learned to care for deeply. So perhaps you might more specifically mention the danger to them if things go sideways.
I haven't tried querying with it yet -- and, agreed, it's because I know it isn't there yet.Finally, I do agree with Jo on one point: if the standard form of query can't be made to work for this book (but I think you need to work on it for a while more before making any decision of that sort), then perhaps it would be a good idea to experiment with other approaches.
The first draft of the chapter was like 11k words (I know--it's now under 4k, and that still feels long) but, for me, i get the best bits by writing it out and then coming back to edit/reduce after the fact. Pruning what's on the page seems to provide the best results.____
*When some of my characters needed to hide a baby, which I thought would do for a (somewhat long) Chapter One, in actually writing the story turned out to be Chapters One through Five, but that's how these things go sometimes.
There's a little of that, yeah, but it's also clear this isn't the first infant they've found like this and it's not immaculate nor a reincarnation. But yes--lightly intentional, but more to just leave it open if I want to do something with it later, not, Chosen One vibe.By the way, I hope, with that sort of beginning, you are prepared for readers to sense messianic vibes, whether or not you intend them.
That's a good call out--but it's a fine line between giving conceit and showing voice while giving conceit. But the point is spot on.Wormhole miscalculations contort ships and souls. The victims are known as Bents. Eigyr and her teammates put the Bents out of their misery and salvage what remains of their ships. When she discovers a seemingly unBent infant in the wreckage, she does the unforgiveable and dumps the baby on her overachieving sister's doorstep.
You could have a vertical crater - but a crater is not a hole - it is a dent with a bottom. A blown out door is a hole.That's a good call out--but it's a fine line between giving conceit and showing voice while giving conceit. But the point is spot on.
Interesting on crater-- I always understood it as a large hole in a surface, not specifically the ground.
Nightmare shipwrecks? Or nightmares, like Freddy Kruger? The first line draws me in, but then I'm disappointed because it is not a story about lucid dreaming but something completely different.Eigyr Bhatia salvages nightmares. It’s lucrative. It’s exhilarating. It’s devouring her sanity.
"hateful toward" is weak. "are the enemies of" or "pledged to destroy".They’ve barely settled in when Eigyr reappears, revealing the aliens aren’t mythical, just reclusive and hateful towards wormhole travelers. The trio of women grapple with decades of secrets and lies as fleet obligations slow progress towards the safety of deep space. Detouring around inhabited systems, stopping to rescue an old scientist and settling debts gives corporate polities one last chance to re-engage. Done with fleeing, Maeve chooses to create safety: ambushed and outnumbered, she unleashes a questionably ethical weapon. When a fleeing ship is Bent, reality tears and summons supernal aliens, upending the terms of survival for the women and all aboard their fleet.
Can I ask why you assume it is either or? Yes, it's "salvage" but it's also, "fractal origami monstrosities". Neither option fits in a neat box-- at least in my mind?Nightmare shipwrecks? Or nightmares, like Freddy Kruger? The first line draws me in, but then I'm disappointed because it is not a story about lucid dreaming but something completely different.
It's more nuance than kill/no kill and I'm trying to avoid pure hyperbole. It's more like... the US and N. Korea, and the aliens are the US? Like, hey, you wanna mess around, starve your people and talk about how amazing you are? Cool, go nuts. Oh, wait, you want to build an ICBM? Well now we have a problem. What's a better term for that? Paternalistic? Paternizing?"hateful toward" is weak. "are the enemies of" or "pledged to destroy".
I don't know what you're referring to? The only jargon is "bent" (and I'm not counting wormhole because it's scifi being pitched to scifi literate agents). Polity is a normal word. There's a bunch of alliteration? I'm not sure what you're referring to with jargon?A bit of jargon is good. All jargon is bad
Is it the inclusion of the aliens that's throwing it off? Because, tldr, the book is 95% corporate state antagonist, 5% alien antagonist--and that 5% is driven by the nature of the 95% conflict. To kick the analogy from above, the aliens sit on the sidelines going, Blow yourselves up, see if we care--hey, wait, you're dropping nukes?!? <rolls up sleeves>. In my mind, they should only enter the at the end as an escalation because they aren't the main event--that's the people hunting the 17yo, that blew up the doorway, that regrouped and continued pursuing.I can't tell who they are fighting, since the aliens don't show up until the last line.
You said before that they were salvaging the unBent parts. I now have no idea what your character does for a living. You just need to decide if the agent you're sending this to enjoys a huge amount of ambiguity.Can I ask why you assume it is either or? Yes, it's "salvage" but it's also, "fractal origami monstrosities". Neither option fits in a neat box-- at least in my mind?
Don't use my suggestions. I was mainly trying to say that "hateful toward" sounds like the kind of terminology found in a sensitivity workshop. Consider "hate".It's more nuance than kill/no kill and I'm trying to avoid pure hyperbole. It's more like... the US and N. Korea, and the aliens are the US? Like, hey, you wanna mess around, starve your people and talk about how amazing you are? Cool, go nuts. Oh, wait, you want to build an ICBM? Well now we have a problem. What's a better term for that? Paternalistic? Paternizing?
"Fractal origami contortions". "Corporate polities re-engage". "Supernal beings". Jargon isn't an invented word, it is using words in an unfamiliar way to outsiders.I don't know what you're referring to? The only jargon is "bent" (and I'm not counting wormhole because it's scifi being pitched to scifi literate agents). Polity is a normal word. There's a bunch of alliteration? I'm not sure what you're referring to with jargon?
I am not "thrown off". I'm telling you what is unclear and confusing about your summary that will almost certainly disorient any reader not well invested in parsing your meanings. Like an agent with a tall stack of letters to go through. Do you want to catch their attention or confuse them?Is it the inclusion of the aliens that's throwing it off? Because, tldr, the book is 95% corporate state antagonist, 5% alien antagonist--and that 5% is driven by the nature of the 95% conflict. To kick the analogy from above, the aliens sit on the sidelines going, Blow yourselves up, see if we care--hey, wait, you're dropping nukes?!? <rolls up sleeves>. In my mind, they should only enter the at the end as an escalation because they aren't the main event--that's the people hunting the 17yo, that blew up the doorway, that regrouped and continued pursuing.
To pull back the plot curtain (and i'm not sure this is actually helpful bc it's worldbuilding that is revealed slowly through the ms, but would drown someone in a query or blurb):I do have a question. How can observers detect a contorted "soul"? Reading this, up until just now I took this to be a poetic way of saying humans (I quite liked the alliteration), but it occurs to me that others who read your query might be a bit confused. Is it just the bents inner beings (literally their souls) that are contorted (what would this even look like and who would be capable of detecting it, since souls are incorporeal?), or are you saying, as I assumed at the beginning that the bodies, too, have been contorted into monstrosities. Otherwise, well, how would the apparent health of the infant be significant?
Although, the oftener I read the beginning of your query, the more I'm uncomfortable with the thought of Eigyr, presumably a co-protagonist, killing bents simply because they are hideously deformed. Are they suffering? Have they somehow proved themselves to be dangerous to ordinary humans? Others have called you out for too much backstory, so I don't like to suggest that you add more, but in order to understand the situation and Eigyr, I think it is necessary — and often in such cases a careful choice of words can say a lot without adding much in the way of excess verbiage.
I realize that this is a complex book dealing with complex concepts, which can be enormously difficult to boil down and still explain with clarity . . . but that is the challenge you have set for yourself. For what I have seen, I am confident that you are up to that challenge, but it may take you quite a lot of time and many more attempts at writing a query before you are there.
I appreciate the thoughts -- If I'm coming across as defensive/attacking, that's not my intent: I'm seeking clarity. I understood "jargon" to be made up terms of art (e.g. bent), not 10-cent English words. But, yeah, words like, supernal, and, polity, aren't everyday words and using too many is off-putting.You said before that they were salvaging the unBent parts. I now have no idea what your character does for a living. You just need to decide if the agent you're sending this to enjoys a huge amount of ambiguity.
Don't use my suggestions. I was mainly trying to say that "hateful toward" sounds like the kind of terminology found in a sensitivity workshop. Consider "hate".
"Fractal origami contortions". "Corporate polities re-engage". "Supernal beings". Jargon isn't an invented word, it is using words in an unfamiliar way to outsiders.
I am not "thrown off". I'm telling you what is unclear and confusing about your summary that will almost certainly disorient any reader not well invested in parsing your meanings. Like an agent with a tall stack of letters to go through. Do you want to catch their attention or confuse them?
I am your target audience, because I can read 30 pages into a book without being bothered by the way nothing is explained. So if a reader like me thinks your summary comes off as disjointed, it is probably quite a bit of work for more typical SF readers. Take the advice, don't take the advice; solve the problem any way you like. But I'm not confused, so this isn't a debate. Either your letter does what it is supposed to or it doesn't.
"Jargon: special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group and are difficult for others to understand."I appreciate the thoughts -- If I'm coming across as defensive/attacking, that's not my intent: I'm seeking clarity. I understood "jargon" to be made up terms of art (e.g. bent), not 10-cent English words. But, yeah, words like, supernal, and, polity, aren't everyday words and using too many is off-putting.
It isn't "confusing", it is unclear. But comparing an earlier version to this one makes it sound like what the MC does has changed between versions. Which I think is probably just that you're being cagey.Is the content of the query confusing, or is it the discussion around it? Because i think (?) people understood the opening line: Eigyr goes into ships that have been mangled in a cosmic accident, kills some kind of monster, and then salvages the rest.
Yes, but you still haven't addressed who is being re-engaged. Saying "re-engaged" makes the reader feel like they should know who was already engaged.I played with the closing paragraph. Is this clearer?
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