Bird Flu (H5N1) starting to infect mammal species

Brian G Turner

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I don't mean to worry anyone, but I'm personally somewhat concerned about how Bird Flu has been adapting to infect mammal populations.

Last year we had mass mortality among seals in South America:

and this year we've seen the virus start to establish itself in cows:

IMO this is definitely a story we need to keep an eye on.
 
The mass deaths of seals in South America is also a concerning phenomenon, although it hasn't been confirmed yet that avian flu is the cause.
 
A vaccine is being worked on

This Guardian article is almost two months old

And there are other recent articles too.
 
I think there will come a time in the forseeable future when our reliance on keeping and breeding animals for food will end. Situations like this only highlight the requirement for it to happen sooner rather than later.

We have the technology to produce artificial and plant-based food that looks, smells and tastes similar to that from a dead cow, pig or chicken. No doubt there will be some negative side effects to not eating the real thing, but situations like mebtioned in the opening post will become far more of a regular occurrence if we don't.
 
If we have to vaccinate all the animals, it might be cheaper to manufacture bulk food using natural and synthetic ingredients. Maybe we could even use petrochemicals. That could keep the industry going.
 
I think there will come a time in the forseeable future when our reliance on keeping and breeding animals for food will end. Situations like this only highlight the requirement for it to happen sooner rather than later.

We have the technology to produce artificial and plant-based food that looks, smells and tastes similar to that from a dead cow, pig or chicken. No doubt there will be some negative side effects to not eating the real thing, but situations like mebtioned in the opening post will become far more of a regular occurrence if we don't.

The problem with plant based foods is some the additives used and sodium content.
 
Just keep getting vacillated and whatever you do, don't check out the deer.

The trouble is , bacteria and viruses can outpace vaccines . So, there might come a day when vaccines become no longer effective altogether.
 
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The problem with plant based foods is some the additives used and sodium content.

There will be issues that we are aware of now, and when/if it goes into mass production, more problems will arise. But given scientific technology, they will be surmountable.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that animal-based viruses, especially those that involve the food chain, will become more prevalent and more dificult to protect against.

It's a vicious circle of increasingly stronger vaccines vs increasingly stronger viruses. And will only end when - eventually - we come to the limit of the strength of vaccine we can produce.

Before we get to that stage, we have to consider ending our reliance on breeding animals for food. And this would have to be a worldwide decision.

But we have seen with the response (or lack of it) to global warming. Even when the consequences of it are becoming increasingly obvious, still too little is being done.

Like with global warming, it is not enough for one country, or even one continent, to do something about it. It will take a worldwide effort, with everyone working towards a common goal for the good of all; and that is something that humans have proven time and again will never happen.
 
I could have sworn I've had bird flu decades ago, and I thought I was a mammal at the time...
 
I read (or heard) a report, in the past few days, that it is the H5N2 bird flu variant which is the biggest source of concern at the moment, because a few people have died after contracting it. It appears that this variant is mutating quite rapidly towards increasing effectiveness in overcoming the defences of the human immune system.

I also heard a radio report - years ago, now - about the response of the US military to the first appearance of bird flu. They asked the epidemiologists at a conference how they could weaponise the disease, to which the response was "It's already just about as weaponised as it could ever be."

If we want to stop the migration of deadly diseases from animals to human populations, we have to stop driving wild animals, which carry the diseases, out of the wilderness and into the areas inhabited by humans. At least, that is the received wisdom in some circles. Birds just bypass that solution completely!
 
The trouble is , bacteria and viruses can outpace vaccines
We have to include fungi to that list; they are literally in the hospitals and medical service centers, as well as everywhere you want to be, fighting for the same space that the bacteria and viruses are occupying. Medicines are already being found to ineffective against some of them.

The problem with plant based foods is some the additives used and sodium content
Change that to "the problem with food is some of the additives used and sodium content."
So far prions have been a minor problem, but if genetics change or chemical formulas change, prions affecting other animals could start effecting us. Prions are non living substances that work strictly by chemical reactions. There is a theory that eating bad food can start a slow moving physically damaging chemical reaction in the gut, that works it way out by traveling along the nerves. Bad being food stuff that gives really bad indigestion, like all the processed foods that have more chemicals in the ingredients that make it look like food than natural ingredients.

So, there might come a day when vaccines become no longer effective altogether.
If we had stayed with old methods of creating vaccines that more than likely would have come true. The new methods can create fixes for all kinds of things, including non infectious diseases, that can be ready for mass production in a short amount of time. One of the original uses of AI before it was called AI was the testing of new substances for medical "cures." You could set up a machine that automatically put a small sample of thousands of different substances into little vials that the machine then monitored and analyzed the results, weeding out what might work against the thousands of other samples that didn't do anything. The mass production and distribution is the bottleneck, but I think those will be overcome by common sense and smart applications of current technology.

because a few people have died after contracting it.
Check out how many people die from the regular flu that goes around every year, its a lot. We have also seen what covid did in its initial phases. In order for life to survive it has to limit the destruction it causes or it will literally burn out. Perhaps having so many people packed so close together created an instant roadmap for covid to go from terribly destructive to a minor inconvenience. Without all us people, covid might never have had the chance to progress the way it did, to a life form that can exist alongside people. It still has a major problem for people, it can reactivate old stuff you already got by once before. The cure for that is to live a healthier life, and stay in touch with the medico industrio complex.

we have to stop driving wild animals, which carry the diseases, out of the wilderness
Absolutely. We have to stop going into the remaining wilderness because that puts roads into places that stayed out of touch, keeping what's there there, so it doesn't get out into the modernized world. We already got enough troubles to deal with. The chances of that happening are pretty remote, although if cities were made to be more inclusive, open spaced, attractive, and functional for people's development, that could make them a viable alternative for the wild undeveloped areas.
 
Modern farming practices are definitely spreading the bird flu in the cows. For the cows, for some unknown reason the bird flu virus is spreading from the respiratory tract to lots of different organs without killing them. For most animals spreading to other organs makes the virus fatal. In the case of the cows, it doesn't kill them and makes it all the way to the milk in the udder. Apparently cows didn't get influenza type A before this outbreak. Its not definitely known how the virus went from birds to cows and its still not completely understood what all the avenues are being used to go from cow to cow.

Unsanitary conditions are the most likely source once the virus gets into a herd. The milking machines are spreading it from cow to cow and the cow's milk infects the feeding calves. The milking machine is not cleaned between each milking. Contaminants in the food sources such as infected animal droppings, dead animals, nasal secretions and saliva will also pass it around. One of the food sources is the open field with grass or feed spread in it which is impossible to keep clean. Piles of hay or grains, common food troughs, are all sources of infection. Not much can be done about the situation using the current practices.

Cows can also get bird flu by eating infected meat, such as dead animals or even live ones. Cows like other herbivores do eat meat occasionally, including live birds. There are many instances of cows eating a chicken now and then. If a cow needs extra minerals or vitamins it can eat dead animals it finds in the field to satisfy those cravings. Cows will also eat anything that might just be in the feed or hay that is alive or dead such as rodents, lizards, insects, birds.

People are at a very low risk of getting the bird flu, though farm workers can get it, such as being splashed by infected milk. Several different anti viral drugs are effective against the bird flu. Once the virus gets in one farm, it can eventually be found in neighboring farms but the method of transmission between farms is unknown. It could be a single type of source that infects each farm individually. Farmers trading or buying cows to add to their herds can definitely spread the virus. It could also be the vehicles transporting the cows or other equipment between farms. People are at a very low risk of getting the bird flu, though farm workers can get it, such as being splashed by infected milk. Several different anti viral drugs are effective against the bird flu.

Once the milk is pasteurized the virus is dead and can't infect anything. There is a health craze, for a small percentage of the population, of drinking unpasteurized milk. Its probably not a good practice to continue or take up the practice. It looks like some, maybe many, of the cows get the virus but show no symptoms and there is a 90 percent recovery rate for known sick cows. It's like shades of covid, with sporadic testing, unsanitary milking machines, and unregulated quarantines.

The milk producing cows that get symptoms can produce milk that is thickened and icky looking to say it as nice as possible. If you drink milk you probably don't want to read this, the milk goes from the cows, through the milking machines, and then into big tanks. When cows have mixed diets, including whatever they pick up in the field, the quality of the milk can vary from day to day anyway, and it all gets blended together. Once cows are identified as producing bad milk, they are removed from the milking process.

So far, the unlimited killing of cows has not been practiced although some cows have been killed. Farmers can get some limited financial help for improving sanitary conditions and the handling of sick cows. The US government and 2 dozen educational institutions and commercial drug companies are seriously working on a bird flu vaccine for cows. Because influenza is considered to be dangerous and the research is a security risk, there is a lot of red tape and paperwork for working with the influenza type A virus which can hamper progress. The US government has hired Moderna to make a mRNA bird flu vaccine for cows. There are several bird flu vaccines for people.
 
Maybe beef and cow milk are unnecessary luxuries that overall hurt the planet and people's health?
 
Maybe beef and cow milk are unnecessary luxuries that overall hurt the planet and people's health?

It's inevitable that meat will be replaced by plant-based substitutes that will claim the taste, texture etc are identical. They won't be, but after a short time people will either have forgotten what it tasted like, or never eaten it at all.

Of course, there will still be the real thing available to the rich elite.
 

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