Tyrion

[Trey Greyjoy]

This will discuss events that occur at the end of the third novel.


I had a thought this morning about Tyrion's mental health.

He has never had it easy to begin with, and certainly never had a strong family as an emotional support structure. He has lived with a physical handicap all his life. He was forced to watch what happened to his wife. He has just killed his father, suffered through Shae's betrayal and killed her, and now feels a strong hatred towards Jaime, the only family member that seemed to care for him. He felt betrayed by the citizens of King's Landing, who he tried so hard to protect.

Im kind of wondering how he is going to deal with all that. Do you think the recent events may push him over the edge? Or is it more likely he just expects life to be hard and unfair?
I would imagine that the most recent events should change him in some way, but how much?
Is it possible that we may be witnessing the making of a "Hound"? That is, watching a decent man turn slowly into something...hm...not so decent?
Or
Do you think he is strong enough mentally to carry on as he always has? Suffering indignities and insults.
I have to wonder what his motivations will be going foward though.

Just some thoughts!!!

 

[finvarre]

When I finished the 3rd volume I was under the impression that Tyrion just has had enough. He's always believed he was softer than the others like Cersei or Tywin, he suffered from an inferiority complex and tried very hard to prove his worth. Now that he's killed Tywin I think he's made it clear he's just no worse than any other Lannister and I think he won't indulge his 'weaknesses' any longer, that is, he won't strive anymore to be loved, and is going to be as cynical as his father had been. This means that he's going to fight for power against the other members of his family.

And to tell you the truth, I don't think Tyrion was crazy to hate Jaime after he's heard the truth about his first love. Jaime was the only member of the family who cared, yes, but this means Tyrion had greater expectations of him. He would never have confided in, say, Cersei, but he virtually worshipped his older brother. And Jaime just wasn't strong enough or 'good' enough to oppose his father. He should have told Tyrion the truth ages ago, that's the least he could do.

 

[Duff_Omathum]

I think Tyrion is trying to forget what being a Lannister means, and start discovering who he really is. For him, I think that means going back to when he first lost himself and was humiliated by Tywin. That's why he asks his father what happened to Tasha. IMO

I can't see him joing Dany, because after all the hastles and pain he went through as Hand, I don't see him going back for seconds. If however revenge against Cersei is his prime motivation however, well, he would be a deadly asset in Dany's upcoming campeign.

I note that every idea Tyrion put forward (wildfire, the chain, the clans, ect) worked brilliantly, yet not once was he given credit for it.

 

[nixie]

Tryion, after a lot of soul searching and a few attempts at revenge I think he may end up on the wall,its the only place he can ever truely be himself.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I don't think that Tyrion will turn into a baddie. I think that he has finally freed himself of a burden that was weighing him down all his life- the fact that he was a Lannister. Being a Lannister meant that he had to act certain ways and prove himself again and again without any praise or recognition. It also meant that he had quite a bit of money at hand, and so did not see any reward for his efforts in that respect either. The world is his oyster now. Most of the people he meets across the sea will not know of his relatives and will not have the images of Tywin or Jaime or Cersei to compare him to. They will see him for what he is- not as the unfortunate Lannister or the Imp, but as a brilliant mind encased in a lesser body, or simply as another human being. No longer will he have to shrink next to his shining brother and father.

I also think that freeing himself from the stigma of being a Lannister will enable him to grow as a humanitarian. He won't have to put on a cruel facade anymore. I do think that his deeds will trouble him greatly, and unlike Tywin and Cersei he will experience a great deal of remorse for his wrongdoings.

 

[Boaz]

Tyrion is definitely at a crossroads. He is free of the Lannister shackles, true. He can now set aside the expectations of serving House Lannister over the good of the kingdom to use his intellect to really help the people of Westeros. Yet, Tyrion also has just been horribly scarred physically and emotionally as he exerted all his effort to save the kingdom. He's been made out to be a monster; he's been scorned instead of thanked, mocked instead of honored, and betrayed instead of loved. His moment of anger at Jaime in the dungeon showed us that he might give into the monster inside and become what people already think he is.

I can see him going either way.

 

[Sword of the Morning]

I not really sure that Tyrion would go to the wall. I think he really would like to piss on his father's grave by ruling from Casterly Rock. All that was denied from Tyrion. I personally think Tasha is out there some where, may be one of Dany's handmaids . Well that might be a bit much, but anything could happen.

As for his mental state, I'd say that he will be less trusting in others. Tyrion will see that Cersei falls from power. Can Tyrion turn Cersei's happiness into ashes, may be, will be take her other children from her? I doubt it.

Does Tyrion become part of Dany's crew? I'm not sure. Can Dany forgive the son for the father's sins?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Does Tyrion become part of Dany's crew? I'm not sure. Can Dany forgive the son for the father's sins?

Dany's going to have to be able to forgive people for the sins of their kin, or else she won't be much of a ruler. Likewise, they will have to forgive her for the sins of her father. Besides, if she spent even an hour with Tyrion she'd know just how much a part of the Lannister family he really was.

Dany's learning to see beyond who people are and to determine how they can be useful. I think she'd be able to welcome Tyrion into her group, providing he would agree to serve her.

 

[Brian G Turner]

I can see Daenerys really relating to Tyrion - they are, after all, outcasts of sorts.

And the idea of trying to help a Targeryan regain the throne at King's Landing can only be too ironically delicious for him to get involved with.

Daenerys is normally good at seeing worth in people - I'm sure Tyrion's lack of care of flattery and great mind can only impress on her, though only after the almost default plot device of misunderstanding and hard testing.

 

[The Blackfish]

I would imagine that the most recent events should change him in some way, but how much?

By his own admission, it is Tyrion's quick-fire tongue that has always got him into trouble. I wonder whether, as he explores a land that he has very limited knowledge of, he will become more introspective and guarded about what he says in an effort of self-preservation.
Killing Tywin was a crime of passion and oppurtunity more than a carefully planned event, and I think Tyrion has demonstrated time and time again that he is able to overcome the obstacles that life throws him. I don't think it is in his nature to give up hope that good can come from the most tragic of circumstances.
I think Tyrion will work towards what he always has - the stability of the kingdom, only now has a viewpoint not clouded by the ambition of his father and sister. However, learning to trust others may not come so easily and he will be very suspicious about other people trying to use him for their own ends.

 

[asdar]

I don't think Tyrion will end up with Dany. Jaime was the betrayer and all that and Tyrion while being mad at Jaime never actually broke the tie. Jaime is becoming a 'good' guy in the novels. I don't see how he can make up for all the bad but it's the way the wind is blowing.

As to where he will go I'm absolutely at a loss. To me he seems to fit almost anywhere but with Dany, or the Iron Islands. I can see him going to the wall and meeting up with either Bran or Jon or going over to the only relative that won't kill him on sight, Myrcaela.

Wherever he goes I think he's destined to be a good guy. Mr. Martin has said that he identifies with Tyrion so I can't see him ever going all bad.

 

[DeannaBelle]

When I finished the 3rd volume I was under the impression that Tyrion just has had enough. He's always believed he was softer than the others like Cersei or Tywin, he suffered from an inferiority complex and tried very hard to prove his worth. Now that he's killed Tywin I think he's made it clear he's just no worse than any other Lannister and I think he won't indulge his 'weaknesses' any longer, that is, he won't strive anymore to be loved, and is going to be as cynical as his father had been. This means that he's going to fight for power against the other members of his family.

And to tell you the truth, I don't think Tyrion was crazy to hate Jaime after he's heard the truth about his first love. Jaime was the only member of the family who cared, yes, but this means Tyrion had greater expectations of him. He would never have confided in, say, Cersei, but he virtually worshipped his older brother. And Jaime just wasn't strong enough or 'good' enough to oppose his father. He should have told Tyrion the truth ages ago, that's the least he could do.

Tyrion was crazy to hate Jaime? What?! That's crazy-talk, right there. Hello!? Jaime stood by and allowed Tyrion to believe his WIFE was a prostitute and SHE WAS GAND-RAPED! He was flaming mad when he found that out!

Wouldn't you be, too, if your brother told you that?

 

[Charming Serpent]

I recently read some spoilers for ADWD and Varys sends Tyrion to Mopatis and he in turn directs Tyrion to Dany.

 

[TK-421]

You mean the Tyrion preview chapter that was on GRRM's website. Personally, I liked the "rotting sea cow" comment the best. A classic Tyrion line.