The Targaryen Dragons

[Dolorous Edd]

Just a very quick theory: no groundwork, no research, just something off the top of my head I thought of 2 seconds ago.





Why were they loyal to the Targaryen's? I mean, if I was a dragon I wouldn't be too happy with some silly little human sitting on me all day telling me to burn sh*t when all I really want to do is have a nap. So did the Targaryen's "Control" them somehow? Danny doesn't seem to do anything other then mother them, so maybe it's a parent/child bond thing. But Dragon's are reptiles, and in nature the bond doesn't last into adulthood, so why would the older dragons have stayed loyal? It could (and probably will be) just fellowship, as with say a dog. But maybe the Dragon's have their own ulterior motive (I mean, everyone else in westeros does (for further information see my stunning insight into the truth about hodor in the "Hodor: God on Earth" theory - coming January 2006 ). We know they're highly intelligent animals, perhaps they deliberately insinuated themselves into the Targaryen household all those years ago to await the prince who was promised? Either of their own volition, knowing that the other's would be the bane of their own kind as well as humanities, or on the orders of someone else. Perhaps they're the representatives of the 7 for the coming war, as the direwoves of stark are those of the old gods?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Maybe it's as simple as a kind of magic that runs in the Targaryen bloodlines, that causes the dragons to follow them.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

But doesn't one of the preview chapters that was released/read out by martin say that danny was loosing control of rhaegar? Dunno if this is accurate, but im sure i read it somewhere. Perhaps it's because rhaegar (as the biggest, and therefore logically the "head" dragon, and mount for the leader of the "three heads of the dragons") can sense Jon now that they're all further west, closer to westeros?



Also, this is where my belief that Jon is the PTWP/A targaryen starts to falter slightly. If he IS a targaryen, and the prince, He WOULD surely be destined for/entitled to a dragon, yes? How’s that goona work out with him having ghost as well? I mean, if he rides to battle on a dragon, what's ghost do? Sit in a basket underneath? fight separately from him?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Perhaps Dany is losing control of Rhaegar because a) she's got three dragons to control, and that's a lot, and b) her blood is one big festering pot of incest. Maybe the dragons have to be controlled by someone with purer bloodlines. This could be where Jon comes in. As for what Ghost would do, I'm thinking he'd simply fight on the ground. Besides, Jon doesn't have to ride a dragon to control it. If he's the PTWP he can just tell them what to do, right?

 

[Duff_Omathum]

I like that idea about one dragon for each of the three Targaryen decendents.

What if it's Tyrion, whom Rheagar is seeking?

I don't see why Jon couldn't have both Ghost and a dragon? He has a right to both bloodlines, no?

 

[Culhwch]

Mmm. As Doctor Phil would say, those are all nice theories....

I think it's just a bond thing. Rhaegar is getting stroppy because he's a huge bloody lizard thing, and if he wants to go off hunting virgins and sheep, well, who's gonna stop him?

And Jon isn't the Prince Who Was Promised. Just don't ask me to back that one up....

 

[Boaz]

Hold on, the biggest of Dany's dragons is Drogon. The other two are Rhaegal and Viserion, iirc.

Yes, I think after Aegon the Conqueror, the Targs learned the secrets of Dragon Management. They knew and anticipated the stages and needs in a dragon's life. But Dany does not have this knowledge... she's learning on the go... so there's bound to be rough times or even flat out failure.

What if Drogon left Dany? Would that not be a surprise?

 

[MacMoney]

So did the Targaryen's "Control" them somehow? Danny doesn't seem to do anything other then mother them, so maybe it's a parent/child bond thing. But Dragon's are reptiles, and in nature the bond doesn't last into adulthood, so why would the older dragons have stayed loyal? It could (and probably will be) just fellowship, as with say a dog. But maybe the Dragon's have their own ulterior motive. We know they're highly intelligent animals, perhaps they deliberately insinuated themselves into the Targaryen household all those years ago to await the prince who was promised?

If I remember correctly controlling dragons was a Valyrian thing, not just a Targaryen thing. And how do you know they are intelligent? Has this been stated somewhere, and if so, was this a reliable source on a universal scale? I doubt the dragons have any big plans or ideas of their own. They're just plot devices/cool things/pets of the Targaryens even though very imposing and useful pets.

Yes, I think after Aegon the Conqueror, the Targs learned the secrets of Dragon Management. They knew and anticipated the stages and needs in a dragon's life. But Dany does not have this knowledge... she's learning on the go... so there's bound to be rough times or even flat out failure.

After? He and her sisters already controlled the dragons and Valyrians before them as well. It was a Valyrian thing, not a Targaryen thing.

her blood is one big festering pot of incest. Maybe the dragons have to be controlled by someone with purer bloodlines. This could be where Jon comes in. Besides, Jon doesn't have to ride a dragon to control it. If he's the PTWP he can just tell them what to do, right?

She might be from an incestous relationship but that means that her bloodline is more pure than Jon's. His parentage is unclear but it's pretty evident that at least one of his parents wasn't a Targaryen. No one's blood becomes more "tainted" or "pure" just because his parents were brother and sister. In such families, certain distinctive qualities tend to manifest themselves more often hence the "for every Targaryen the gods flip a coin" as stated by Barristan Selmy I think it was. And I don't think there has been stated anything about the Prince who was Promised being able to control dragons just by thought.

EDIT: Ah, forgot to check the date of the posts. My apologies for bringing up such an old post.

 

[Werthead]

1) The Horn! Maybe the Valyrians used the horns to control the dragons en masse. Although the job of hornblower mustn't have been very popular if everyone who blew one dropped dead after.

2) Indeed, the Targaryens learned the Art of Dragon Management. They even wrote books about it. Books that someone may have read. Someone who may be of use to Dany in this difficult time in helping her control her dragons...

 

[TK-421]

...someone like Sam?

 

[Brian G Turner]

EDIT: Ah, forgot to check the date of the posts. My apologies for bringing up such an old post.

No problem at all, and welcome to chronicles.

...someone like Sam?

The plot thickens.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

...someone like Sam?

Someone like Tyrion, who has been obsessed with dragons since he was little. When he was headed to the Wall with Jon and the rest of the bunch, he was reading a book about dragons. I think it was a habit with him. When he got to King's Landing, the first thing he wanted to do was see the dragon skulls.

 

[Koopa]

Here a very stupid thouht but a thought nonetheless, what if the Targaryen are like the Starks innate skinchangers, or something similar like that.
Because of this they can control their dragons, along with the fact that like the starks with the direwolves they have a special band with the dragons.

Dany her situation in some ways is similar with that of the starks, the direwolves mother bassicaly becomes the stark of that peticular chosen pup, the starks took over the role of the mother since she was dead at birth, the dragons to see dany in a similar way. And another completely unimportant observation is the fact that both Houses sound somewhat the same (well the beginning of the house name at least), Tar features in both the names, wich is not so in the names of the other great houses.

 

[Anomander]

I still think it has something to do with Bran and his dreams of flying....

 

[Brian G Turner]

Not bad ideas, KiwiBird - certainly I never thought of that. But then again, I miss a lot of the details anyway.

 

[Werthead]

I don't think there is an innate relationship between the dragons and the Targs such as between the Starks and the direwolves. The dragons had no problems killing one another and their riders during the civil war known as the Dance of Dragons, for example. King Aegon II's dragon swallowed his half-sister Rhaenyra whole.

I think it's more a case of either the dragons responding to the horns, or developing a one-on-one relationship with certain people as they grow up with them.

 

[Koopa]

Well yeah , the siblings where at war, why wouldn't the dragons be at war too, If Rickon and Bran became enemies i am thinking the direwolves would be on opposite sides and fight each other as well (Mind You i am not saying this would happen this is all just theoretically)

 

[BattleMage]

Dany is by far one of my favorite characters in GRRM's books. Her losing control of the dragons isnt based so much off of mystical things as it is based off of being a mother figure to the dragons. Being a ruler she now spends much less time with them and also lets them do pretty much whatever they want, as letting them fly around the countyside and killing cows illustrates. If it was her children and not dragons being discussed it'd be pretty obvious why she was losing control. But they are dragons and so we must just say that this is all speculating on things that we dont really know because in reality GRRM will be the one to decide how the dragons mature and what influences them.