Little thought

[Sword of the Morning]

This just crossed my mind. I have no really evidence but hey any other theory can hurt right. Old Bear's bird. Now, we all know that his bird is very special, smart, and what not. Now could Old Bear's raven be the same raven that Bran sses in his dreams?

Any thoughts?

 

[donel noye]

i have often thought the same thing , i think there is a good chance he might be
and with jon now owning him it will give jon and bran a chance to meet again.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Erm. Bran's dream bird (i'm not on about mera BTW ) was a three-eyed-crow. Mormont's bird is a raven. Also, bran is heading north to FIND the crow isn't he? So why did he not follow sam back to castle black?

I do believe ther's more than meets the eye to the old bear's raven though. I suspect he's a skinchanger, some past lord commander's sould trapped/transferred to the body of a raven to keep an eye on the watch. ever dutiful, even after death. Hell, perhaps it's MORE than one soul. maybe ALL the past LC's are in there?

 

[Sword of the Morning]

Erm. Bran's dream bird (i'm not on about mera BTW ) was a three-eyed-crow. Mormont's bird is a raven. Also, bran is heading north to FIND the crow isn't he? So why did he not follow sam back to castle black?

I do believe ther's more than meets the eye to the old bear's raven though. I suspect he's a skinchanger, some past lord commander's sould trapped/transferred to the body of a raven to keep an eye on the watch. ever dutiful, even after death. Hell, perhaps it's MORE than one soul. maybe ALL the past LC's are in there?

Its true that Bran dreams of a crow, but the novel to we seems to suggest that crow and raven are "relatives". I know this an odd notion. The free folk call the night's watch crows, yet symboliclly I see them as being ravens. Aemon commented about the raven/crow idea to Jon in AGOT.

And who is to say that Bran saw a crow, he could have mistakenly seen a crow when a raven was infront of him. I'll be the first one to say that is a shakey idea, but I could take two random people from the streets and show them the same picture and get to different description of the picture.

I wonder how the Old Bear got that raven in the first place.

 

[Culhwch]

He stole it from Maester Aemon when he wasn't looking. Which is always....

For mine the Three-Eyed Crow's a Crow, although probably a metaphor for a CotF, and Mormont's raven is just a raven. Sam taught the other birds to speak, too, so this doesn't seem to indicate Mormont's bird is particularly special. Just hungry.

Corn?

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Its true that Bran dreams of a crow, but the novel to we seems to suggest that crow and raven are "relatives". I know this an odd notion. The free folk call the night's watch crows, yet symboliclly I see them as being ravens. Aemon commented about the raven/crow idea to Jon in AGOT.

And who is to say that Bran saw a crow, he could have mistakenly seen a crow when a raven was infront of him. I'll be the first one to say that is a shakey idea, but I could take two random people from the streets and show them the same picture and get to different description of the picture.

I wonder how the Old Bear got that raven in the first place.

Crows, ravens, rooks, jays etc. are related. The wildlings naming of the nightswatch crows is derogatory, mocking their noble purpose, naming them after birds that feast on the dead, who are traditionally reviled. They chose "crows" because they're not even the biggest, or cleverest of the "corvids" (/me pats google ), mocking them even further. I don't think there's anything more significant to the nickname tbh.

As for bran not knowing the difference between a crow and a rook, i argue that he does. he spent most of his young life climbing around winterfell, it's stated quite clearly that he regularly used to take corn in his pockets to feed the crows that nested in the burned tower. And he would often have seen maester luwins messanger ravens. the wingspan of a raven is a good foot longer than that of it's smaller cousin, he would have quite easily been able to differentiate between the two species.

 

[Boaz]

I suspect he's a skinchanger, some past lord commander's sould trapped/transferred to the body of a raven to keep an eye on the watch.

This is an intriguing idea, Edd.

 

[The Blackfish]

Hi one and all, new user here. Have loved reading all your posts, catching up on all the "Song of Ice and Fire" goss, although I must admit that I am a little hazy on the finer details ...

Regarding Bran's 3-eyed crow, I've always been of the opinion that it was a shape-changer who does or at least has served on the Nights Watch - ie a "crow" (or is that at little too simplistic?) The missing Benjen Stark is a possible candidate ...

 

[Boaz]

Welcome.

although I must admit that I am a little hazy on the finer details ...

Me too.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Hi one and all, new user here. Have loved reading all your posts, catching up on all the "Song of Ice and Fire" goss, although I must admit that I am a little hazy on the finer details ...

Regarding Bran's 3-eyed crow, I've always been of the opinion that it was a shape-changer who does or at least has served on the Nights Watch - ie a "crow" (or is that at little too simplistic?) The missing Benjen Stark is a possible candidate ...

Hello blackfish, welcome to the mad house

Don't think it could be Benjen, Bran first "spoke" to the crow before he went missing, and he displayed no "oddness" of character in the few scenes we saw him in. I do however think Ben is still alive, and much changed from the man he was. I suspect he has found the children of the forest, and being with them has unlocked some or all of the latent abilities that all the starks seem to posses to some degree or other. And i suspect the crow is one of the childrens greenseers. As to why it took the guise of a crow, who knows? It could be it's bond-creature, like the direwolves of the starks, or greenseers could perhaps be able to take over the forms of many different creatures (i seem to remember reading that somewhere), and simply chose the crow in that dream because Bran already associated the tower with the creatures.

 

[The Blackfish]

I do however think Ben is still alive, and much changed from the man he was. I suspect he has found the children of the forest, and being with them has unlocked some or all of the latent abilities that all the starks seem to posses to some degree or other.

Would have to agree with you there, Ed. Perhaps Ben was the one who buried the dragonglass knifes at the fist of the First Men?

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Would have to agree with you there, Ed. Perhaps Ben was the one who buried the dragonglass knifes at the fist of the First Men?

I reckon so.