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Just finished reading AFFC for a second time. Qyburn has created what I can only describe as a Frankenknight. There is no question in my mind he has created the creature from mostly the Mountians body and I keep banging my head agianst the wall trying to figure out how this creature will be used in the upcoming novels short of it eventually being used agianst the dragons I see no real purpose to him/it.
 
FrankenKnight ,that to funny.I agree though just how many people is Georgie gonna kill off just to bring back to life again,assuming that it really is gregor that is.As for possible uses I do believe that Sansa does need a giant to slay in a castle of snow.Yes i do not believe that the little ghost women that spoke with Arya would bother fortelling of her wrecking some stupid doll.I just hope that sandor is there to give her a hand (and then maybe some smoochy smoochy afterwards,oops I forgot, NO happy endings in Georgy's world !!:) )
 
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FrankenKnight ,that to funny.I agree though just how many people is Georgie gonna kill off just to bring back to life again,assuming that it really is gregor that is.As for possible uses I do believe that Sansa does need a giant to slay in a castle of snow.Yes i do not believe that the little ghost women that spoke with Arya would bother fortelling of her wrecking some stupid doll.I just hope that sandor is there to give her a hand (and then maybe some smoochy smoochy afterwards,oops I forgot, NO happy endings in Georgy's world !!:) )
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I have get back to you on Sansa I have to do a reread on something because I dont want to be talking out of my pootootie. I really never thought of Sansa because shes stuck with little finger. Arya & Sandor hmmm....
 
I read AFFC and never picked up on this FrankenMountain stuff. Just thought that Qyburn was a vivisectionist/torturer, not a medieval Dr. Frankenstein. You never really see his experiments except for his interrogations, right?
 
Skaffen-Amtiskaw said:
I read AFFC and never picked up on this FrankenMountain stuff. Just thought that Qyburn was a vivisectionist/torturer, not a medieval Dr. Frankenstein. You never really see his experiments except for his interrogations, right?
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The reason I think this is that at some point in the book Qyburn has a champion for the queen that no man can defeat and armor made that is too heavy for a normal man to wear. Mind you it wouldnt be the first time I was wrong and mainly Im working on spec based on the little information given in AFFC, but it does seem like he has created something in the dungeon.
 
Qyburn was stripped of his Maester's chain because he had a reputation for occult practices. I too believe that he has raised Gregor Clegane, although I gathered that it had more to do with some sort of magic, i.e. using the souls of those he took down to the dungeon for power or something like that. It seems to me that if he were to make a Frankenknight, he would use larger people for parts than midget priests and Lady Felyse.:eek:
 
All to true AU. perhaps hes just exploring the possibilities of animating the dead with the others and Clegane is the end result. I really dont know if its either occult or science or combination of both. GRRM didnt put much information in AFFC of what he was exactly doing with the bodies.
 
I think Qyburn has done transplants with the organs he got off Senelle, Falyse, the puppeteers and others to save Gregor somewhat from the poison. When Gregor was still normal, it was mentioned that he wore armour the average man couldn't bear and that he used a two handed greatsword with one hand, which makes the comment about the armour Qyburn wants suggestive of it being for an UnGregor. Also Cersei thought about some horrible thing screaming in the darkness when she visited the dungeons. In my copy of aFfC, the cast of characters at the back lists Qyburn as a necromancer. I think this all points to a FrankenKnight and it being Gregor.
 
I am hoping Gregor doesn't reappear as a FrankenKnight. I want him to come back so that the Hound can have a reason to live again but I am tired of zombies in these books. I am leaning towards Gregor being kept alive by Qyburn rather than brought back to life. Its seems kind of pointless to make him undead since he was a freaking slow stupid heartless monster already.
 
The use of FrankenGregor (if he even has a future use-maybe Cersei will choose him as his champion) could be the straw that breaks the camel's back for the Lannisters in King's Landing, especially with an armed Faith and Sparrows everywhere who would see this as blasphemy and going against the Gods' will, plan, whatever...
 
seriously,

Gregor's head is in Dorne with Balon Swann so fuhgeddabout seeing another Gregor.
 
It's an interesting juxtaposition between the Hound and the Mountain:

- the Mountain as a demonic undead warrior
- the Hound as a born-again Holy warrior

With that symbolism flowing, in such situations it usually requires sacrifice of the "light" cause to defeat the "dark" - so if Sandor is actually going to kill Gregor, IMO the stage is already set for him to only succeed by sacrificing his own life to do so - such as while defending others.
 
stark said:
seriously,

Gregor's head is in Dorne with Balon Swann so fuhgeddabout seeing another Gregor.
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No, a skull is in Dorne, i believe. We have no proof that it belongs to gregor, and i'd be shocked if it turned out that it really was his.
 
I said:
It's an interesting juxtaposition between the Hound and the Mountain:

- the Mountain as a demonic undead warrior
- the Hound as a born-again Holy warrior

With that symbolism flowing, in such situations it usually requires sacrifice of the "light" cause to defeat the "dark" - so if Sandor is actually going to kill Gregor, IMO the stage is already set for him to only succeed by sacrificing his own life to do so - such as while defending others.
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Good for you I Brian, I totally missed that! Ive got these stupid blinders on I missed the signifigance of that.
 
I said:
It's an interesting juxtaposition between the Hound and the Mountain:

- the Mountain as a demonic undead warrior
- the Hound as a born-again Holy warrior

With that symbolism flowing, in such situations it usually requires sacrifice of the "light" cause to defeat the "dark" - so if Sandor is actually going to kill Gregor, IMO the stage is already set for him to only succeed by sacrificing his own life to do so - such as while defending others.
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Did I miss an earlier thread stating why you all seem to think that the Hound is still alive? I suppose he could be one of those silent warriors swept along the river that Brienne meets at that temple place(read that part quickly, forgeting names). But I thought GRRM told us Sandor was dead and the rumors of him still living were from people wearing his helmet.

Unless you guys have hard evidence that he still lives, I think a meeting between the two Cleganes is a bit impossible when they are both dead. (I do believe there is a Frankenknight below King's Landing but it is most probably mindless and can no longer be called Gregor.)
 
Jinglehopper said:
Did I miss an earlier thread stating why you all seem to think that the Hound is still alive? I suppose he could be one of those silent warriors swept along the river that Brienne meets at that temple place(read that part quickly, forgeting names). But I thought GRRM told us Sandor was dead and the rumors of him still living were from people wearing his helmet.

Unless you guys have hard evidence that he still lives, I think a meeting between the two Cleganes is a bit impossible when they are both dead. (I do believe there is a Frankenknight below King's Landing but it is most probably mindless and can no longer be called Gregor.)
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Basically the reason's we believe Sandor is still alive are two fold:

1) The wording used by the priest who confessed to burrying him. It's always "the hound is dead", "I buried the hound", "the man you seek is dead", "i placed his helm upon his grave to mark his resting place". The only time he mentions Sandor Clegane is to say "He is at peace".

2) As you say, at the monastary brienne and co visit there is a very large and silent monk, whom i believe the abbot says is only newly arrived. He spits at Sir [whatever his name is (probably need to re-read :D)] as he passes, and remember how Sandor hates knights.

So, seeing as how Sandor's "death" was pretty crap (and off screen, as it were) for such a great character, + the above facts we reached the conclusion that chances are the tale of the hound is not yet done.
 
Dolorous Edd said:
2) As you say, at the monastary brienne and co visit there is a very large and silent monk, whom i believe the abbot says is only newly arrived. He spits at Sir [whatever his name is (probably need to re-read :D)] as he passes, and remember how Sandor hates knights.

So, seeing as how Sandor's "death" was pretty crap (and off screen, as it were) for such a great character, + the above facts we reached the conclusion that chances are the tale of the hound is not yet done.
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Actually, he sends a shovelful of dirt straight at the knight's head, but... apples and oranges. :)

I think he's still alive. There are too many little hints in there for him to be dead. Plus, as you say, his death was crap, and not satisfying in any way.
 
AryaUnderfoot said:
I think he's still alive. There are too many little hints in there for him to be dead. Plus, as you say, his death was crap, and not satisfying in any way.
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Kind of like Davos. Off-screen death. Does not seem like GRRM's style at all. He likes his deaths bloody and at times graphic. He also does not waste great characters like Sandor and Davos to crappy deaths. So, for the last time, he's not dead. Now Gregor is dead and what Qyburn has created is something else entirely but probably using the body of Gregor. Not a wise move with bible-thumpers overpopulating King's Landing...
 
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